dadeadhead
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Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY Joined: 07.16.2006
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If it's one of Montour or Ristolainen going the other way, that offsets the $6M a bit. - kingcong39
He’s also a UFA after next season. |
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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Makes no sense for Chicago then. They’re trying to shed cap.
Need to move 55 or 62 in separate deal - sbroads24
I’d be thrilled to add another couple of 2nd rounders to get rid of both.
If there is any year to have multiple lotto shots in the 2nd and 3rd round it’s this one. |
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Can I make an argument that Danault is what O'Reilly was supposed to be for this team in terms of timing and his role?
Danault had one more point than Eichel at even strength this past season, while playing 140 less total minutes.
His points per 60 this past season was 32nd overall in the league.
In 2018-2019, his even strength points per 60 were the same as Mikko Rantanen and Sean Couturier. His total even strength points were the same as Barzal and Nick Backstrom.
He has out produced Cirelli by a good margin at both rate and total.
He receives very little power play time, so there will be little worry about him needing time on the top power play to continue producing offense, and he averages over 2 minutes per game of penalty kill time.
He receives 55%-58% defensive zone starts, while being good to very good defensively and still producing offense.
He's also 52%-55% on faceoff wins the past 3 seasons.
I would offer quite a bit to get Danault, assuming he would sign of course, as I believe he is the ideal player to bring in at this time for the Sabres. - kingcong39
I agree with you in theory but im weary of scaling p/60. Also with him being close to FA, I think I'd stick with my montour offer.
Idk though. He's a nice player. It's tough. What's the Canadiens price? I wouldnt do a first |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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I agree with you in theory but im weary of scaling p/60. Also with him being close to FA, I think I'd stick with my montour offer.
Idk though. He's a nice player. It's tough. What's the Canadiens price? I wouldnt do a first - jcragcrumple
Why are you weary of using points per 60 when he played comparable minutes to the players I mentioned?
Danault played 1100 minutes at even strength in 81 games 2 seasons ago and 1000 minutes at even strength in 71 games this past season.
It's not like he only played a small role and I'm projecting over a big move up in minutes. |
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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Can you believe the audacity of that beady eyed pig to literally walk up to the stage and say all of 6 words, to then watch the player picked next take home the Hart Trophy and Ted Lindsay award a few years later.
Thank you GMTM your services will be missed |
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Why are you weary of using points per 60 when he played comparable minutes to the players I mentioned?
Danault played 1100 minutes at even strength in 81 games 2 seasons ago and 1000 minutes at even strength in 71 games this past season.
It's not like he only played a small role and I'm projecting over a big move up in minutes. - kingcong39
Oh ok. I thought you were scaling the minutes, not using comparables. I misread your comment. Like I said, I agree on the fit, it just depends on price |
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Leninthebuff
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 01.17.2012
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Can you believe the audacity of that beady eyed pig to literally walk up to the stage and say all of 6 words, to then watch the player picked next take home the Hart Trophy and Ted Lindsay award a few years later.
Thank you GMTM your services will be missed - Pegullaville
I wish this site had a like button lol well said
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GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA Joined: 02.11.2009
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No they won't. You don't just inactivate a healthy player in late October. - SDSabre
Its called just IR him the panthers aren't going to risk destroying him when they're 0-4 or 0-5 whats the point? They get their franchise quarterback next year and their franchise Play maker |
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Leninthebuff
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 01.17.2012
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Oh ok. I thought you were scaling the minutes, not using comparables. I misread your comment. Like I said, I agree on the fit, it just depends on price - jcragcrumple
People have to remember his reason for complaining was bc he was getting 3rd line minutes as he went from 1st line mins to 3rd line mins in the playoffs.
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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People have to remember his reason for complaining was bc he was getting 3rd line minutes as he went from 1st line mins to 3rd line mins in the playoffs. - Leninthebuff
He'd be an optimal, long term 2C for the Sabres right now. |
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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I am excited, there's going to be a lot of changes and things going on here. Lots of RFAs, lots of cap space and obviously numerous holes.
Either way, Eichel - Staal - Haula - Curtis GD Lazar sounds like a big upgrade from last year. - RhinoFan
Please, it's "GD Lazer Larry" |
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GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA Joined: 02.11.2009
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Now, that the Sabres have found their second-line center in Eric Staal, they can start to explore the market on top-six wingers. The Blackhawks offer a few options that could fill the Sabres need at the position. Brandon Saad is the one at the top of the list.
Multiple league sources have indicated to me that the Sabres have expressed interest in the 27-year-old winger. There’s not a trade that is imminent here, but the two sides have had conversations about the player.
https://www.expectedbuffa...the-saad-strome-caggiula/ - kingcong39
I said in the summer they dump him ... his D is very underrated
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IndianaSabresFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN Joined: 01.17.2007
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He'd be an optimal, long term 2C for the Sabres right now. - kingcong39
I thought the long term 2C was cozens? |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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I thought the long term 2C was cozens? - IndianaSabresFan
Not this coming season, and likely not next.
Why not help Cozens properly develop by bringing in somebody who is very good? |
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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I agree. The best 3rd line Center is right there under their noses. Larson is easily the best choice. - Camel
You mean "GD 18Pt Larry"
If we absolutely need to do better at 4C than GD Lazer Larry, I would think GD 18Pt Larry should be upgraded, no? |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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He'd be an optimal, long term 2C for the Sabres right now. - kingcong39
This is partly why I am not thrilled with the Staal deal.
It’s great value so let me just say that before it becomes me whining.
But that’s a trade that should’ve been done when all long term options for 2C are exhausted. That’s not the case.
IMO they have 0 interest in Danault or Monahan or Domi or whoever could be a long term fit. They went stop gap and are happy |
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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This is partly why I am not thrilled with the Staal deal.
It’s great value so let me just say that before it becomes me whining.
But that’s a trade that should’ve been done when all long term options for 2C are exhausted. That’s not the case.
IMO they have 0 interest in Danault or Monahan or Domi or whoever could be a long term fit. They went stop gap and are happy - sbroads24
Offseason isn’t over yet.
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Offseason isn’t over yet. - Pegullaville
I get that. None of those guys have been moved yet either. |
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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I get that. None of those guys have been moved yet either. - sbroads24
I don’t disagree with what you are saying. I guess I’m just a little more patient and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
They need a 3C, a top 6 winger, and a starting goalie. |
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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres |
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Joined: 10.13.2019
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Looks to me that Adams has been sniffing around quite a few options. He's not done. |
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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This is partly why I am not thrilled with the Staal deal.
It’s great value so let me just say that before it becomes me whining.
But that’s a trade that should’ve been done when all long term options for 2C are exhausted. That’s not the case.
IMO they have 0 interest in Danault or Monahan or Domi or whoever could be a long term fit. They went stop gap and are happy - sbroads24
Well, a big if, but IF they extend Staal 1 year more, it would be friggin IDEAL...and it could just happen as Staal mentioned he thinks he 2 -3 years left in him. Having a 50 -60 pt 2C for 2 years at $3.25 or so per would be saving $3.5m each year and getting a better all around player than Monahan.
Also, GMTM was on record saying he needed to bring in ROR as a 1C to protect Jack during his early development years. Yet, Jack was playing 2nd line minutes his 1st year at 19:07 AvTOI.
So, I'm not sure that Cozens won't be able to handle 3C minutes fairly quickly...like Kerby Dach did and he secured 2C minutes in the playoffs. They should ease Cozens in, but let him take on more as he is able. |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Well, a big if, but IF they extend Staal 1 year more, it would be friggin IDEAL...and it could just happen as Staal mentioned he thinks he 2 -3 years left in him. Having a 50 -60 pt 2C for 2 years at $3.25 or so per would be saving $3.5m each year and getting a better all around player than Monahan.
Also, GMTM was on record saying he needed to bring in ROR as a 1C to protect Jack during his early development years. Yet, Jack was playing 2nd line minutes his 1st year at 19:07 AvTOI.
So, I'm not sure that Cozens won't be able to handle 3C minutes fairly quickly...like Kerby Dach did and he secured 2C minutes in the playoffs. They should ease Cozens in, but let him take on more as he is able. - IonSabres
I’m fairly confident in Cozens being a contributor this year. But that’s just far from a sure thing.
I want a long term top 9 center here so that if Cozens is a dud, and Staal doesn’t keep up his seemingly fortunate health and capabilities at 36 years old, we aren’t totally screwed |
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 03.16.2011
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I’m fairly confident in Cozens being a contributor this year. But that’s just far from a sure thing.
I want a long term top 9 center here so that if Cozens is a dud, and Staal doesn’t keep up his seemingly fortunate health and capabilities at 36 years old, we aren’t totally screwed - sbroads24
Cozens would have more of an impact on the wing. If he proves he can move to the middle even better |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Cozens would have more of an impact on the wing. If he proves he can move to the middle even better - Pegullaville
That makes the need for a long term center even greater.
The Staal deal is a great trade in terms of value. I just think it’s one you make after exhausting all options for top 9 centers.
We will see what happens. I’m not writing it off I just think it’s doubtful they get one now.
I fear
Eichel
Staal
Cozens
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL Joined: 03.10.2013
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I’m fairly confident in Cozens being a contributor this year. But that’s just far from a sure thing.
I want a long term top 9 center here so that if Cozens is a dud, and Staal doesn’t keep up his seemingly fortunate health and capabilities at 36 years old, we aren’t totally screwed - sbroads24
I think the smart thing to do would be to wait and see how Cozens does rather than pump money into a position that will likely become redundant.
If they get a competent 3C, then it stunts Cozens growth, or the 3C shifts to wing which may not be ideal either. If Conzens takes off, by next year he could then push Staal down to 3C.
All the above is even more relevant if the Sabres draft say Rossi or Lundell would could be ready for 3C the season after next. |
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