If MAF was actually bought out then he'd be getting a huge chunk of change. If he wanted to come back to the Pens I could see him signing at a very low amount, if already bought out. If those two things were the actual case I'd have no problem with it.

Give him 3 mill per and Jarry 2.5 per.

maf/jarry combo 5.5 mill cap hit wow
- MattStrat

IF Fleury got bought out and that's a huge IF, the Pens shouldn't pay him much more than DeSmith. Also, Jarry is not signing for $2.5M. IMO it will be $3.25 to $3.5Mish.

The other issue here is term. How many years if Fleury going to want? Two? Three?

What exactly has DeSmith done for everyone to be so unconfident with him on this board? He’s never been bad here and has actually preformed at a solidly above average level with a .917 sv%. That’s a pretty high end backup. Isn’t that what we want?

What exactly has DeSmith done for everyone to be so unconfident with him on this board? He’s never been bad here and has actually preformed at a solidly above average level with a .917 sv%. That’s a pretty high end backup. Isn’t that what we want?
- Victoro311

I've brought this up MANY times. When he's played he was ranking in the top ten to top fifteen in your basic stats.

The Fleury thing is purely nostalgia for everyone and nostalgia doesn't win cups.

IF Fleury got bought out and that's a huge IF, the Pens shouldn't pay him much more than DeSmith. Also, Jarry is not signing for $2.5M. IMO it will be $3.25 to $3.5Mish.

The other issue here is term. How many years if Fleury going to want? Two? Three?
- Rinosaur

Well Murray received a 3 year bridge deal after winning two cups for 3.75 per. I think Jarry will be around 2.5/3 for 2 years. I agree about what you said about MAF. 3 might be too high if he's bought out.

Well Murray received a 3 year bridge deal after winning two cups for 3.75 per. I think Jarry will be around 2.5/3 for 2 years. I agree about what you said about MAF. 3 might be too high if he's bought out.
- MattStrat

Might??? For the Pens is way too high.

What exactly has DeSmith done for everyone to be so unconfident with him on this board? He’s never been bad here and has actually preformed at a solidly above average level with a .917 sv%. That’s a pretty high end backup. Isn’t that what we want?
- Victoro311

The main reason Id like that tandem is the very low combined cap hit however, I dont have a ton of confidence in Jarry yet with the very small NHL sample size. His play dropped off in the second half of season and he wasnt that great in AHL. Same goes for DeSmith, he hasnt been that hot in AHL.

I've brought this up MANY times. When he's played he was ranking in the top ten to top fifteen in your basic stats.

The Fleury thing is purely nostalgia for everyone and nostalgia doesn't win cups.
- Rinosaur

He played a lot two seasons ago too so it’s not like he’s only putting up good numbers in like eight games a season.

He played a lot two seasons ago too so it’s not like he’s only putting up good numbers in like eight games a season.
- Victoro311

Yup.

Murray + Johnson for Dubnyk + Dumba?

Pens can then decide to deal Dubnyk (more likely) or DeSmith either for a pick or prospect, with the other on backup.
- mventres

An unsigned FA and an overpaid boat anchor for a top-15 goalie (except for this past season when he was injured) on an expiring deal and a top-4 D?

I'm sure Minnesota would love it. Might want Minnesota to include a few extra first rounders just to even it out.

The main reason Id like that tandem is the very low combined cap hit however, I dont have a ton of confidence in Jarry yet with the very small NHL sample size. His play dropped off in the second half of season and he wasnt that great in AHL. Same goes for DeSmith, he hasnt been that hot in AHL.
- MattStrat

If yo go with Jarry and DeSmith, that's a combined 112 NHL games. Not small, but not a ton, even just for 1 goalie.

What exactly has DeSmith done for everyone to be so unconfident with him on this board? He’s never been bad here and has actually preformed at a solidly above average level with a .917 sv%. That’s a pretty high end backup. Isn’t that what we want?
- Victoro311

Its just a matter of both Jarry and DeSmith have looked really good in small samples, but now you are going to have an intense schedule and counting on two somewhat unproven guys. Imagine Jarry gets hurt and you are relying on DeSmith and who knows who to carry the team to the playoffs... yhat could be scary.

If yo go with Jarry and DeSmith, that's a combined 112 NHL games. Not small, but not a ton, even just for 1 goalie.
- jmatchett383

Yeah. I'd be a little uneasy about it. I do however like both of those goalies and think the potential is certainly there for them to work out.

If yo go with Jarry and DeSmith, that's a combined 112 NHL games. Not small, but not a ton, even just for 1 goalie.
- jmatchett383

I’m not saying there’s no risk. There is. But given our salary cap situation and the other things we need to address I think it’s a risk we need to take. We really can’t afford to sink $2mil + into a backup tender. I think we just need to bank on our prospect and hope it works out.

Let's talk Jack Johnson arbitrage...

What deals would you make to unload JJ? Looking at mostly player for player since I don't think many teams want a 3 year albatross straight up.

Straight up:
Loui Eriksson 2yrs $6M aav
MA Fleury 2yrs $7M aav
Lucic 3yrs $5.25M aav
Turris 4yrs $6M aav

Plus a prospect:
Kessel 2yrs $6.8M aav
Neiderreiter 2 yrs $5.25M aav

Let's talk Jack Johnson arbitrage...

What deals would you make to unload JJ? Looking at mostly player for player since I don't think many teams want a 3 year albatross straight up.

Straight up:
Loui Eriksson 2yrs $6M aav
MA Fleury 2yrs $7M aav
Lucic 3yrs $5.25M aav
Turris 4yrs $6M aav

Plus a prospect:
Kessel 2yrs $6.8M aav
Neiderreiter 2 yrs $5.25M aav
- MacPatty

Neiderreiter all day but he doesn't really belong on this list, IMO. The first list is all pretty bad, but absolutely no way no how on Eriksson. He's completely cooked. If I had to choose one of the other three, it would be Turris. He fills a need and his contract length really doesn't matter. He still has a chance to rebound, too.

Its a nice sentimental story. But i just dont see them buying him out. I would think it would be more of a scenario where vegas retains salary and he ends up with calgary, edmonton or even toronto if they move anderson. then again, if the leafs are only paying something like $2M of flowers salary, maybe they dont trade anderson at all??

Let's talk Jack Johnson arbitrage...

What deals would you make to unload JJ? Looking at mostly player for player since I don't think many teams want a 3 year albatross straight up.

Straight up:
Loui Eriksson 2yrs $6M aav
MA Fleury 2yrs $7M aav
Lucic 3yrs $5.25M aav
Turris 4yrs $6M aav

Plus a prospect:
Kessel 2yrs $6.8M aav
Neiderreiter 2 yrs $5.25M aav
- MacPatty

I go with Turris and slot him in at 3rd line center. But with JJ making 3.25M and turris at 6M, I am not sure how that would work. I would ask Nashville to retain at least $1.5M in salary each year.

I go with Turris and slot him in at 3rd line center. But with JJ making 3.25M and turris at 6M, I am not sure how that would work. I would ask Nashville to retain at least $1.5M in salary each year.
- i'mjustafan

So they’re paying almost $5 mil for Jack Mother (frank)ing Johnson a year in practice? Why would they do that for $1 mil in cap savings?

How are they equal? Dubnyk is 34yrs old, end of career. Murray is 26 and was a major force in winning two cups.
- mventres

Because it’s a what have you done for me lately league and lately Murray has been average at best.

There definitely was. I was actually wondering what happened to Hardnosed the other day haha. Also, our Swedish friend, Martox was it?
- MattStrat

I think we ran him out when we started trying to trade Hornqvist. Gotta remember they were friends.

Might??? For the Pens is way too high.
- Rinosaur

3 questions marks? relax

Lets say MAF was 3 and Jarry was 3. Thats 6 combined. Jarry/Desmith combined would be 4.25. I dont think JR would think the 1.75 difference would be too high at all.

6 mill for both goalies isnt that much and would fall below the price of a lot of other tandems in the league.


For the record I dont really want MAF back unless its super cheap and along the lines of what youve said, like 1/1.5 mill.

I think we ran him out when we started trying to trade Hornqvist. Gotta remember they were friends.
- Victoro311

Yeah, good call. Think he ever told Horny about the posters here thinking he should be traded? haha

Yeah, good call. Think he ever told Horny about the posters here thinking he should be traded? haha
- MattStrat

Why do you think Horny told his agent to be sure to get a NTC in his last contract?

Why do you think Horny told his agent to be sure to get a NTC in his last contract?
- Hockey66

WE DID THIS TO OURSELVES

Why do you think Horny told his agent to be sure to get a NTC in his last contract?
- Hockey66

hahaha