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MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Sep 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
I might move clemmensen up to the next group for that one season Brodeur was injured. He was rock solid in net and helped them make the playoffs. And I still think they should have kept him in net in the first round when Marty came back.
- shvingter88


My thoughts exactly
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Sep 17 @ 3:22 PM ET
It always seemed to me like Schneider was always in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

He might honestly have been one of the best goalies in the world while he was in Vancouver, but was stuck behind Luongo.

He goes to New Jersey, has to awkwardly take the reins from a shell-of-his-former-self legend on a shell-of-its-former self team. Not exactly the easiest shoes to fill to say the least.

Performance level dropped significantly right around turning 30, most likely as a result of injury. Hasn't looked the same since.

I always felt like if Schneider had gotten the No. 1 job in Vancouver early, or maybe if he had been drafted by, say, San Jose and wound up being their starter for most of the 2010s instead of Niemi, he might have 300+ wins and a Cup. But the opportunity was just never really there.

Obviously impossible to prove a counterfactual, but it seems like a goalie with his talent level probably deserved better.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Sep 17 @ 3:40 PM ET
It always seemed to me like Schneider was always in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

He might honestly have been one of the best goalies in the world while he was in Vancouver, but was stuck behind Luongo.

He goes to New Jersey, has to awkwardly take the reins from a shell-of-his-former-self legend on a shell-of-its-former self team. Not exactly the easiest shoes to fill to say the least.

Performance level dropped significantly right around turning 30, most likely as a result of injury. Hasn't looked the same since.

I always felt like if Schneider had gotten the No. 1 job in Vancouver early, or maybe if he had been drafted by, say, San Jose and wound up being their starter for most of the 2010s instead of Niemi, he might have 300+ wins and a Cup. But the opportunity was just never really there.

Obviously impossible to prove a counterfactual, but it seems like a goalie with his talent level probably deserved better.

- Sven22


Well at least he got paid. There is that.
Rednblackk
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 08.19.2018

Sep 17 @ 4:11 PM ET
The only thing that annoys me about Cory is that it led to marty brodeur leaving and not playing his whole career with nj ugh..other than that I have sympathy for Cory or any other goalie the devils have had for the last 4 or 5 years..its clear the devils forwards have been outplayed and outshot almost every game so it can't be easy being a goalie for this team..add in the below average defense (putting it lightly) and its no wonder most goalies struggle for them even Blackwood struggles at times like the beginning of last year
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Sep 17 @ 5:58 PM ET
38 years ago today, (9.17.82) the NJ Devils won their first ever hockey game against the Washington Capitals in their road exhibition debut. It was a 3-1 win and the first goal was scored by Devil Randy Pierce.

For the regular season the Devils would open with a tie against the Penguins with the first regular season goal scored by Don Lever. They then got their first official win by beating the Rangers. In their third game they came back from a 5-1 deficit to tie the Toronto Maple leafs! Luck ran out against the Montreal Canadiens who handed the Devils their first official loss....

- Queenie_5_hole


Thanks for the trip down memory lane
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Sep 17 @ 5:59 PM ET
I just want to understand the head hunting comment. Stevens in the playoffs?
- Queenie_5_hole


He didn't head hunt, they left themselves exposed
Htowntigers89
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.30.2014

Sep 17 @ 7:38 PM ET
You gotta give Scott Clemenson a lot more credit. He stepped in big time during Marty's injury season.

My top 3:
1) Marty
2) Cory - The year we just missed the playoffs with Marty/ Cory as the tandem. If Cory got the bulk of the games we make the playoffs that year. I think we had like 12 shoot out losses as well.
3) Scott Clemenson

Roger Mussa
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hell, NJ
Joined: 07.26.2006

Sep 17 @ 9:57 PM ET
It always seemed to me like Schneider was always in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

He might honestly have been one of the best goalies in the world while he was in Vancouver, but was stuck behind Luongo.

He goes to New Jersey, has to awkwardly take the reins from a shell-of-his-former-self legend on a shell-of-its-former self team. Not exactly the easiest shoes to fill to say the least.

Performance level dropped significantly right around turning 30, most likely as a result of injury. Hasn't looked the same since.

I always felt like if Schneider had gotten the No. 1 job in Vancouver early, or maybe if he had been drafted by, say, San Jose and wound up being their starter for most of the 2010s instead of Niemi, he might have 300+ wins and a Cup. But the opportunity was just never really there.

Obviously impossible to prove a counterfactual, but it seems like a goalie with his talent level probably deserved better.

- Sven22


Very well said.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 18 @ 6:13 AM ET
You gotta give Scott Clemenson a lot more credit. He stepped in big time during Marty's injury season.

My top 3:
1) Marty
2) Cory - The year we just missed the playoffs with Marty/ Cory as the tandem. If Cory got the bulk of the games we make the playoffs that year. I think we had like 12 shoot out losses as well.
3) Scott Clemenson

- Htowntigers89


Chris Terreri was a better backup, starter, and playoff goalie then Clemmensen. Just saying.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 18 @ 9:27 AM ET
Thanks for the trip down memory lane
- Crushers68


It's so long ago....
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Sep 18 @ 11:17 AM ET
It's so long ago....
- Queenie_5_hole


I know. I remember my first Devils game in 1982. Had 3rd row seats behind the goal. Each ticket cost $6.00. I am still hopeful they go back to our old school red/green uni's full time.
They had style!
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Sep 18 @ 2:04 PM ET
You saw the trap? The head hunting? The ellias is my best forward years?


I’m so sorry.

- ChrisMS


It was the dead puck era. Every other team did a variation of these things, the Devs were just better at it.
RussH1964
New Jersey Devils
Location: Manville, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2017

Sep 18 @ 4:22 PM ET
What does everyone think of possibly signing Trevor Van Riemsdyk of Carolina. UFA Defensemen from Jersey...would think we can get him at affordable price and would be better then Mueller or Carrick...a steady stay at home defender..thoughts?
redmonsters
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 18 @ 6:31 PM ET
I know. I remember my first Devils game in 1982. Had 3rd row seats behind the goal. Each ticket cost $6.00. I am still hopeful they go back to our old school red/green uni's full time.
They had style!

- Crushers68

I still have my jersey from that year. It was so cheaply made, got it a sporting good store in Dumont NJ. Loved wearing it. My sons laugh at it every time I break it out.
Roger Mussa
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hell, NJ
Joined: 07.26.2006

Sep 18 @ 9:45 PM ET
I know. I remember my first Devils game in 1982. Had 3rd row seats behind the goal. Each ticket cost $6.00. I am still hopeful they go back to our old school red/green uni's full time.
They had style!

- Crushers68

Agreed but in today’s marketing day and age not sure that’s a full timer. Love seeing them on the ice though.

How about a slightly different variation with a darker green and darker red?
Or an all blacked out jersey, with a dark red logo silhouette and lines.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Sep 19 @ 9:27 AM ET
Someone at TSN said devils may be open to trading severson

Thoughts?
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Sep 19 @ 9:40 AM ET
Someone at TSN said devils may be open to trading severson

Thoughts?

- dmarsden2988


Are we planning on converting Hischier to a defensman?
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Sep 19 @ 11:01 AM ET
Are we planning on converting Hischier to a defensman?
- rmdevil313


Hischier no... but Zacha probably could lol, I bet he would get more points. Just pretend its a 5 on 5 penalty kill and he's good.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Sep 19 @ 2:16 PM ET
Someone at TSN said devils may be open to trading severson

Thoughts?

- dmarsden2988



As long as we keep future star Dakota Mermis what could go wrong?
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Sep 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
Are we planning on converting Hischier to a defensman?
- rmdevil313

I'm at the point of not really caring. I like Severson, however, if we win the trade, then I'll take a won trade.. even if it leaves us with nothing on defense. We need to sign a dman or 2 anyway. Severson is a nice stabilizer on the back end, but again.. if we win the trade, or create a package to say... land both a Holtz and a Sanderson, then I think I'd be down for it.

It would be nice if we had even just 1 other competent defenseman back there, which is unlike any other team. Gosh just look at it. Severson, Subban, Butcher, Carrick, Mueller, Mermis.. Smith.. Reilly Walsh.. Subban is literally a bottom-pair dman. Severson is a 2nd pair guy. The rest are all bottom pair-AHL dmen. It's really remarkable honestly.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Sep 20 @ 8:13 AM ET
Someone at TSN said devils may be open to trading severson

Thoughts?

- dmarsden2988

Yikes
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 21 @ 9:33 AM ET
I'm at the point of not really caring. I like Severson, however, if we win the trade, then I'll take a won trade.. even if it leaves us with nothing on defense. We need to sign a dman or 2 anyway. Severson is a nice stabilizer on the back end, but again.. if we win the trade, or create a package to say... land both a Holtz and a Sanderson, then I think I'd be down for it.

It would be nice if we had even just 1 other competent defenseman back there, which is unlike any other team. Gosh just look at it. Severson, Subban, Butcher, Carrick, Mueller, Mermis.. Smith.. Reilly Walsh.. Subban is literally a bottom-pair dman. Severson is a 2nd pair guy. The rest are all bottom pair-AHL dmen. It's really remarkable honestly.

- MartysBetter88


The biggest problem with trading Severson is he actually fits the age group pretty well. So it's not like giving up PK who isn't going to be helping when the core forwards are hitting their prime. BUT that said, I totally hear you on this. IF there was a big return on Severson then it's worth considering. But I think at this point you need to get an NHLer back and not a pick/prospect.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Sep 21 @ 4:45 PM ET
For some reason there is this really vocal group of fans who just hate Severson regardless of how he plays. Same with Butcher. Our defense needs work but you don't get a better defense by just giving away your players for free.
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Sep 21 @ 6:39 PM ET
For some reason there is this really vocal group of fans who just hate Severson regardless of how he plays. Same with Butcher. Our defense needs work but you don't get a better defense by just giving away your players for free.
- Pomegrant


We need to keep a few guys that can throw a hit.


Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 21 @ 8:26 PM ET
[quote=TRDevil]We need to keep a few guys that can throw a hit.

It was a good payback play from Severson but he doesn’t hit much. Just saying.

That said I wouldn’t trade him unless the return was sensational.
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