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powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Sep 12 @ 8:43 AM ET
Hawks have approx. 14 million cap tied up in Shaw , Smith , Seabrook that's unbelievable.
This has (among other things) doomed the Hawks for contention for a lottery pick for a few years. I know a lot of people get upset when Bowman gets knocked but man hey has made a lot of bad moves .
How many players can a team buy out ?
Those 3 are impossible to move plus I don't think Maata or DE Haan could be moved without retaining salaries.

- HamiltonHawk


I am willing to give Seabrook a break because I think once he starts getting back in game shape he will be a productive player again, and he will help out the defense in a way we haven't seen in a few seasons.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 12 @ 8:47 AM ET
https://www.nhl.com/news/jacob-perreault-following-yanic-perreaults-advice-on-path-of-reaching-nhl/c-318969676

This NHL.com article has great insights from Blackhawks development coach and NHL faceoff king Yanic Perreault on his son Jacob who is aiming to be a 1st rounder in the draft.

- Theo Fox


Wiz has him going 21st to CBJ.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
I don't see any team helping other teams with cap hits for a few years. That's just stupid. I'm sure the Yotes are pissed they took Hossa.
- rpeters01



Hmmm. In recent days, Toronto offloading Kapanen and his 3.2M for a 1st, and Minnesota saving Pittsburgh 2.1M by obtaining Bjugstad for a 7th.

Edit - And also Allen and his 4.3M from STL to MON for 2 picks giving the Blues some cap space to extend Pietrangelo.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 12 @ 9:45 AM ET
Hmmm. In recent days, Toronto offloading Kapanen and his 3.2M for a 1st, and Minnesota saving Pittsburgh 2.1M by obtaining Bjugstad for a 7th.

Edit - And also Allen and his 4.3M from STL to MON for 2 picks giving the Blues some cap space to extend Pietrangelo.

- boilermaker100

Available cap space is being quickly eaten up.

Stan - don’t get caught watching the paint dry....
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 12 @ 9:50 AM ET
Available cap space is being quickly eaten up.

Stan - don’t get caught watching the paint dry....

- StLBravesFan


Unfortunately, I think he likes this team.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 12 @ 10:00 AM ET
Unfortunately, I think he likes this team.
- boilermaker100

He should like the team in Tampa or Vegas, he should like Trotz or Cooper or deBoer as head coach, he should like a recording of Rene Rancourt or Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem rather than Cornellison....
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 12 @ 10:04 AM ET
Available cap space is being quickly eaten up.

Stan - don’t get caught watching the paint dry....

- StLBravesFan


Stan can’t do anything until he knows what Crawford will cost, or even if he signs with them
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Sep 12 @ 10:09 AM ET
He should like the team in Tampa or Vegas, he should like Trotz or Cooper or deBoer as head coach, he should like a recording of Rene Rancourt or Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem rather than Cornellison....
- StLBravesFan


What has he done in his career?
bhawk1s
Joined: 06.27.2014

Sep 12 @ 10:09 AM ET
Available cap space is being quickly eaten up.

Stan - don’t get caught watching the paint dry....

- StLBravesFan

Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Sep 12 @ 10:24 AM ET
Hmmm. In recent days, Toronto offloading Kapanen and his 3.2M for a 1st, and Minnesota saving Pittsburgh 2.1M by obtaining Bjugstad for a 7th.

Edit - And also Allen and his 4.3M from STL to MON for 2 picks giving the Blues some cap space to extend Pietrangelo.

- boilermaker100


Good point - you beat me to the post. Toronto for the past two seasons has managed to find a partner that has helped them off the cap hook.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 12 @ 10:36 AM ET
The heck with progressively. Get them in there ASAP. Bowman needs to be looking to get rid of Maatta, Special K and de Haan by any means necessary. Or have them visit the Khabby staircase.
- Elbows15



My impulse answers is as a NHL club tied to ticket sales they are gonna put up a white flag that they are in a rebuild, blah blah.
Maatta and deHaan were brought it so they could get to a playoff, and yeah, in a non-bizarro Covid world, they blew that and got gifted ticket to a play in....

But you know now there probably aren't gonna be fans for awhile, so if you aren't selling booze, seats in gtreat numbers does a sweeping change at dee RERALLY affect who many fans they have in the say 5 years?
HamiltonHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.13.2015

Sep 12 @ 10:38 AM ET
Good point - you beat me to the post. Toronto for the past two seasons has managed to find a partner that has helped them off the cap hook.
- Chief4Feathers

Yeah but the Kapanen was more then a salary dump . He is young and they got a first
Marleau cost a first to get rid of 1 year . I think that's a pretty heavy price.
Seabs , Shaw DeHaan and Maata have multiple years left on their contracts
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
Good point - you beat me to the post. Toronto for the past two seasons has managed to find a partner that has helped them off the cap hook.
- Chief4Feathers


But has these machinations improved the team? Seems every time they are bounced in the playoffs, the analysis is the same thing.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 12 @ 10:44 AM ET
https://www.nhl.com/news/jacob-perreault-following-yanic-perreaults-advice-on-path-of-reaching-nhl/c-318969676

This NHL.com article has great insights from Blackhawks development coach and NHL faceoff king Yanic Perreault on his son Jacob who is aiming ot be a 1st rounder in the draft.

The elder Perreault talks about it's much harder to be an NHL winger and what it takes to win draws.

Yanic on today's wingers:

"I think playing on the wing is getting harder than it used to be; you need to be good on the forecheck, good on the wall," Yanic said. "It's more encompassing than just watching your defenseman in the defensive zone."

- Theo Fox[/I]

Jacob on faceoffs:

"My dad showed me how to take draws, and I've been doing pretty well on face-offs in the OHL," he said. "The main goal on face-offs is to be ready, bend your knees and get it back.

"You need to be committed to getting better and wanting to win it more than the other guy."



This is guy that I think could slip in to the second.
If you watch him, he just doesn't move that well as of yet, but he is has a deadly shot, got on the dot and knows what's up to play...
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 12 @ 10:47 AM ET
What has he done in his career?
- powerenforcer

He got to the Final twice, two other times to the Conference Finals....

6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Sep 12 @ 10:51 AM ET
He should like the team in Tampa or Vegas, he should like Trotz or Cooper or deBoer as head coach, he should like a recording of Rene Rancourt or Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem rather than Cornellison....
- StLBravesFan



Ouch
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Sep 12 @ 10:55 AM ET
But has these machinations improved the team? Seems every time they are bounced in the playoffs, the analysis is the same thing.
- LAHawk


Well, I agree it hasn’t improved the outcomes of their seasons. But the point is that they were able to find trade partners that helped them maneuver through some of their cap problems. They overpaid to get rid of Marleau, but I’d say they also got the better of PIT in the Kap trade.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Sep 12 @ 11:09 AM ET
Hawks have approx. 14 million cap tied up in Shaw , Smith , Seabrook that's unbelievable.
This has (among other things) doomed the Hawks for contention for a lottery pick for a few years. I know a lot of people get upset when Bowman gets knocked but man hey has made a lot of bad moves .
How many players can a team buy out ?
Those 3 are impossible to move plus I don't think Maata or DE Haan could be moved without retaining salaries.

- HamiltonHawk


That there is why they aren't going anywhere. You can't have that much money (going forward with the cap situation) with players not contributing, and be successful.

That has to be fixed before any turnaround can even be considered.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 12 @ 11:44 AM ET
Hmmm. In recent days, Toronto offloading Kapanen and his 3.2M for a 1st, and Minnesota saving Pittsburgh 2.1M by obtaining Bjugstad for a 7th.

Edit - And also Allen and his 4.3M from STL to MON for 2 picks giving the Blues some cap space to extend Pietrangelo.

- boilermaker100

Hindsight will be 20/20.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 12 @ 11:45 AM ET
He should like the team in Tampa or Vegas, he should like Trotz or Cooper or deBoer as head coach, he should like a recording of Rene Rancourt or Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem rather than Cornellison....
- StLBravesFan

Cooper is a whiner he wouldn't last two years in Chicago.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 12 @ 11:45 AM ET
I am willing to give Seabrook a break because I think once he starts getting back in game shape he will be a productive player again, and he will help out the defense in a way we haven't seen in a few seasons.
- powerenforcer

It would be a huge help if this happens.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
Good point - you beat me to the post. Toronto for the past two seasons has managed to find a partner that has helped them off the cap hook.
- Chief4Feathers

The teams that are helping bail out cap strapped teams now in the covid world I think in retrospect will be sorry they did when the cap isn't any higher in three years. Time will tell?
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 12 @ 11:55 AM ET
The teams that are helping bail out cap strapped teams now in the covid world I think in retrospect will be sorry they did when the cap isn't any higher in three years. Time will tell?
- rpeters01

No team is helping to bail out teams in cap trouble.

They are acting in their best interests, and presumably have projected to potential future implications of any transactions.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 12 @ 11:56 AM ET
Stan can’t do anything until he knows what Crawford will cost, or even if he signs with them
- LAHawk

I agree with whomever posted Stan needs to put a time limit on Correy's response. Otherwise he should move on with other signings and there may not be $3.5 left for Correy later on.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 12 @ 11:59 AM ET
No team is helping to bail out teams in cap trouble.

They are acting in their best interests, and presumably have projected to potential future implications of any transactions.

- StLBravesFan

Yes it's always that way Stan projected a rising cap when he signed Toews and Kane.
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