Ladd looked completely lost on the gwg. Wasn't his fault, but he was in a position to read the play and perhaps pinch down but didn't. Perhaps if he had played more than a few games this year, he would of, but it's awfully awkward to step into the ECF against an opponent like TB when you've been out 95% of the year
- keaner17

What was wrong with mdc or brass idk

I can't find the stat now, but I saw something showing that teams that don't score at least on goal on a 5 minute major penalty usually lose the game. They were given big opportunities and let the game slip away.
- JimmyP

Lost them the game. Can't capitalize on a Major and a 5 on 3 opt. then your probably going to lose. Other than that they dictated the pace and played Islanders hockey. With 30 seconds left they breakdown and Pulock loses his man for an opportunity and then it's a scramble in the zone after that. McD being a cagey Vet knowing theirs minimal time left goes into the zone to add numbers and boom, it's over.

Overall with the changes Barry made the team played much better than the previous game. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

Lost them the game. Can't capitalize on a Major and a 5 on 3 opt. then your probably going to lose. Other than that they dictated the pace and played Islanders hockey. With 30 seconds left they breakdown and Pulock loses his man for an opportunity and then it's a scramble in the zone after that. McD being a cagey Vet knowing theirs minimal time left goes into the zone to add numbers and boom, it's over.

Overall with the changes Barry made the team played much better than the previous game. I don't think anyone can argue with that.
- nyisles7

So you support Barry's insertion of Ladd into the lineup after all. I kind of suspected that you were secretly a fan of Andrew Ladd!

This is the opening of Staples article in The Atlantic. It was pretty spot on:


"Put aside the Lightning treating Brock Nelson’s head like a pinata. Leave the Islanders’ power-play failures out of it for the moment.
It was very much Islanders hockey in Game 2. It was greasy and it was stifling, and the Islanders were the ones dictating the pace for the most part, helped by Tampa Bay’s bench being short two forwards, including Brayden Point, who torched the Isles in Game 1. As the third period wound down, the game looked to be headed for overtime, where the fully rostered Islanders should have had an advantage."

He broke down the last 30 seconds as well.

I think I slept 30 minutes last night. I cannot believe we let that game get away. Between Ladd in the game and on the PP, Toews horrific icing play, Bailey missing a wide open net, not scoring on a 5 minute major b/c we pass the puck until we lose possession, not scoring on a 5-on-3 for same reason, ... that was one of the most frustrating games of my Islanders Fandom.. and it's been a LOOOOOONG painful Fandom.

what? why? how? Why is Beau the only one who shoots? Why does Leddy REFUSE to pass it to Pulock on the PP? WHY THE FCK WAS LADD ON THE ICE IN THE LAST SHIFT?
- niteislander

Pulock should be our number one set up play on the PP!!! Same as Weber has been his whole career! Must be something we don’t know!

Pulock should be our number one set up play on the PP!!! Same as Weber has been his whole career! Must be something we don’t know!
- Wario

Problem is Tampa knows it as well.
You think they are not going to key on that?
Also he has had opportunities on the PP to let it go and hasn’t.
Give Tampa’s pk credit as well.

Problem is Tampa knows it as well.
You think they are not going to key on that?
Also he has had opportunities on the PP to let it go and hasn’t.
Give Tampa’s pk credit as well.
- nyisles7

And on one of the power plays, he was standing near the top of the circle with his stick in the air, ready for a one-timer, and Leddy kept choosing to pass to Barzal on the other side instead. Leddy is a good skater, but maybe not the guy you want quarterbacking the pp.

And on one of the power plays, he was standing near the top of the circle with his stick in the air, ready for a one-timer, and Leddy kept choosing to pass to Barzal on the other side instead. Leddy is a good skater, but maybe not the guy you want quarterbacking the pp.
- JohnScammo

Tampa player was there ready to get in that passing lane, watch it again. Worst play you can make is make that play and a Tampa PK'er intercepts and he's off to the races. I always tape the games and watched every PP again.
They are trying to set up the bumper or look for the seem pass through to the other side for the wide open shot. They were pretty successful against the Flyers and The Cats doing this.
Give Tampa's PK and staff credit.

So you support Barry's insertion of Ladd into the lineup after all. I kind of suspected that you were secretly a fan of Andrew Ladd!
- JohnScammo

No, I said it before the game. Played ok in the game until the last 30 seconds when he watched the pass go to McD for the GWG.

Tampa player was there ready to get in that passing lane, watch it again. Worst play you can make is make that play and a Tampa PK'er intercepts and he's off to the races. I always tape the games and watched every PP again.
They are trying to set up the bumper or look for the seem pass through to the other side for the wide open shot. They were pretty successful against the Flyers and The Cats doing this.
Give Tampa's PK and staff credit.
- nyisles7

quite honestly, there was little about their PK unit that impressed me. Despite the Isles PP coming up empty with several minutes of pp, they only failed due to their own typical immobile approach and lack of aggression. The Isles did a fantastic job in terms of puck possession. The major penalty was a perfect example. We almost spent the entire pp in their zone, yet continually made it easy for Vasilevskiy and his gang to anticipate where we were going. The Isles pass so damn much because the players are largely confined to small areas where they defenders can easily get in lanes before we pull a trigger. This just creates a 'passing parade'.
I've mentioned it dozens of times this year, last, the prior year (you mentioned it as well), this team needs to get more motion in their power play. They can anticipate that Pulock will shoot all they want, but if the pp can turn the point defenders around it will make it harder for them to track Pulock, he'll get more shots.

we just don't do that enough

The Ladd insertion was a big mistake, IMO. You can't ask a guy who played a grand total of FOUR regular season games this year and 30 total over the last two years to show up in the ECF and keep up with Tampa. It drug Pageau down.
The GWG you could clearly see Ladd was lost, doing rink turns with his head on a swivel. He had no idea where to go and where the play was going. Again, it wasn't completely his fault, but more awareness might of had him pinch down and cut that play off. The Isles defense depends on backpressure from their forwards. When we get it, we shut almost anyone down (and did so much of last night). But if the fowards don't support, things can get ugly.

Tampa player was there ready to get in that passing lane, watch it again. Worst play you can make is make that play and a Tampa PK'er intercepts and he's off to the races. I always tape the games and watched every PP again.
They are trying to set up the bumper or look for the seem pass through to the other side for the wide open shot. They were pretty successful against the Flyers and The Cats doing this.
Give Tampa's PK and staff credit.
- nyisles7

I can't. I don't record the games. I'll just have to take your word for it, even though my memory is that Pulock was open.

No, I said it before the game. Played ok in the game until the last 30 seconds when he watched the pass go to McD for the GWG.
- nyisles7

That's about the nicest thing you've ever said about Ladd.

The Ladd insertion was a big mistake, IMO. You can't ask a guy who played a grand total of FOUR regular season games this year and 30 total over the last two years to show up in the ECF and keep up with Tampa. It drug Pageau down.
The GWG you could clearly see Ladd was lost, doing rink turns with his head on a swivel. He had no idea where to go and where the play was going. Again, it wasn't completely his fault, but more awareness might of had him pinch down and cut that play off. The Isles defense depends on backpressure from their forwards. When we get it, we shut almost anyone down (and did so much of last night). But if the fowards don't support, things can get ugly.
- keaner17

As I mentioned last night, I didn't even notice he was playing until near the end of the first period. I'm guessing Barry inserted him for his playoff experience, but it did seem odd that the guy wasn't good enough to play in the NHL for most of the regular season, yet was good enough to dress for a playoff game. After watching Tampa's chippy play, I do think Johnston would have helped more than Ladd. Maybe we will see Kuhnackl next game.....

As I mentioned last night, I didn't even notice he was playing until near the end of the first period. I'm guessing Barry inserted him for his playoff experience, but it did seem odd that the guy wasn't good enough to play in the NHL for most of the regular season, yet was good enough to dress for a playoff game. After watching Tampa's chippy play, I do think Johnston would have helped more than Ladd. Maybe we will see Kuhnackl next game.....
- JohnScammo

Yep...30 NHL games in 2 years with 4 goals....12 playoff games in the last 6 years with one goal and one assist....

That's about the nicest thing you've ever said about Ladd.
- JohnScammo

Hated him since Barf Blow signed him.

NhL Player Safety-"Tampa Bay’s Alex Killorn will have a hearing today for Boarding NY Islanders’ Brock Nelson."

Ummmm, Goodrow?

*edit: I see this was already mentioned. Let the record show, I complained

NhL Player Safety-"Tampa Bay’s Alex Killorn will have a hearing today for Boarding NY Islanders’ Brock Nelson."

Ummmm, Goodrow?
- keaner17

Yeah, I would have liked for Mr. Goodrow to have a hearing as well. It was such a blatant cross-check to the head/neck into the boards of a guy who he knew had just spent a half hour in the quiet room........ Bad enough that the refs missed it. What's Toronto's excuse?

Everyone is going nuts all over the place in isles land and yes ladd probably shouldn't have been in there but he wasn't the reason they lost. The 5 minute pp and the 38 second 5 on 3, bailey shooting it over a wide open net, toews not obtaining the red line and pulock missing a breakaway all are reasons. They didnt capitalize on their opportunities and that is why they lost

Yeah, I would have liked for Mr. Goodrow to have a hearing as well. It was such a blatant cross-check to the head/neck into the boards of a guy who he knew had just spent a half hour in the quiet room........ Bad enough that the refs missed it. What's Toronto's excuse?
- JohnScammo

Sometimes i think they're afraid by bringing that play they're showing up the refs, who called nada. It seems to me that a cross check to someone's head away from the play should be precisely the type of thing the NHL is penalizing.

quite honestly, there was little about their PK unit that impressed me. Despite the Isles PP coming up empty with several minutes of pp, they only failed due to their own typical immobile approach and lack of aggression. The Isles did a fantastic job in terms of puck possession. The major penalty was a perfect example. We almost spent the entire pp in their zone, yet continually made it easy for Vasilevskiy and his gang to anticipate where we were going. The Isles pass so damn much because the players are largely confined to small areas where they defenders can easily get in lanes before we pull a trigger. This just creates a 'passing parade'.
I've mentioned it dozens of times this year, last, the prior year (you mentioned it as well), this team needs to get more motion in their power play. They can anticipate that Pulock will shoot all they want, but if the pp can turn the point defenders around it will make it harder for them to track Pulock, he'll get more shots.

we just don't do that enough
- keaner17

13 pp shots last night with some real good opts that they didn’t bury. Tampa did a good job on the PK for me. We will agree to disagree

Everyone is going nuts all over the place in isles land and yes ladd probably shouldn't have been in there but he wasn't the reason they lost. The 5 minute pp and the 38 second 5 on 3, bailey shooting it over a wide open net, toews not obtaining the red line and pulock missing a breakaway all are reasons. They didnt capitalize on their opportunities and that is why they lost
- Upstate_isles

Well, it's certainly combinations of all the above. I do think that last night was one of Pageau's more 'pedestrian' performances. I can imagine having Ladd chugging around on his wing likely didn't help him much. It certainly didn't help any of the Isles on the gwg.

We really do miss having a player with a sniper's aggression. Beau has it to some degree. Obviously you can't get an Ovechkin or Stamkos off every tree, however; you can find guys who always want the puck on their stick to shoot. We seem to lack that forward who has a lethal shot and is a threat to put a hard shot on net at all times.

Everyone is going nuts all over the place in isles land and yes ladd probably shouldn't have been in there but he wasn't the reason they lost. The 5 minute pp and the 38 second 5 on 3, bailey shooting it over a wide open net, toews not obtaining the red line and pulock missing a breakaway all are reasons. They didnt capitalize on their opportunities and that is why they lost
- Upstate_isles

OK, well, maybe not....

Well, it's certainly combinations of all the above. I do think that last night was one of Pageau's more 'pedestrian' performances. I can imagine having Ladd chugging around on his wing likely didn't help him much. It certainly didn't help any of the Isles on the gwg.

We really do miss having a player with a sniper's aggression. Beau has it to some degree. Obviously you can't get an Ovechkin or Stamkos off every tree, however; you can find guys who always want the puck on their stick to shoot. We seem to lack that forward who has a lethal shot and is a threat to put a hard shot on net at all times.
- keaner17

Gotta hope bellows and wahlstrom both have a shhit forst mentality and rip it

Well, it's certainly combinations of all the above. I do think that last night was one of Pageau's more 'pedestrian' performances. I can imagine having Ladd chugging around on his wing likely didn't help him much. It certainly didn't help any of the Isles on the gwg.

We really do miss having a player with a sniper's aggression. Beau has it to some degree. Obviously you can't get an Ovechkin or Stamkos off every tree, however; you can find guys who always want the puck on their stick to shoot. We seem to lack that forward who has a lethal shot and is a threat to put a hard shot on net at all times.
- keaner17

Ladd DID have 23 goals in his first year as an Islander, and did score close to 30 goals earlier in his career, so maybe Barry thought he could be that guy again.