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LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 10 @ 4:36 PM ET
Seen the light flash on and off. We know there are lights that work.

I think it is more a battery problem with Nylander.

- bhawks2241


Must be solar, like here in California, not enough power in those batteries.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 10 @ 4:38 PM ET
Actually wouldn't mind him coaching Dach. Maybe he could drill into Nylander's head too.

I wouldn't have to watch the 4th line get ozone starts or see Strome get a bunch of dzone starts.

- bhawks2241

The only thing Nylander needs to do is quit playing "flag hockey" and start playing "tackle hockey."
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Sep 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
hopefully stan has told Craw's agent that he needs a decesion in a certain time frame. if they cannot decide that is fine. hawks should move on and start making plans of No Craw and if things change they can take another look at it.
DrewDawg
Joined: 05.10.2016

Sep 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
Well, it's been awhile since my last post. Congrats Theo & thanks TC for your time & contributions!!!

I have been decompressing the last few weeks after the Hawks loss and watching the other playoff teams. It's hard to root against "your team"....but I really was hoping they didn't get by Edmonton. I might be in the minority and valuing that #9 overall pick over the Edmonton series win. I really thought that value of a pick in a deep draft would help us more in the long term. I'm torn between the business side and personal side of the team....as "the core" ages past it's prime. Someone posted the other day that you can't do a 1/2 rebuild or 1/2 go for it...that you generally fail at both, which I would sort of agree with. The GM will have to decide what route he wants to take, which the last few years have been to squeeze out everything they can get with "the core". Me personally hope they can acquire assets for this upcoming deep draft and draft another few pieces to add to the new core of Boquist & Dach.

Since we have been doing a few mock trades....here's my take:

Domi & Danault for Saad & Strome & Sikura (if we're trying to win now)
#8 overall & Cozens & Mattias Samuelsson for DeBrincat & Strome & Maata & Sikura (maybe other mid level prospects or mid draft pick)
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
The only thing Nylander needs to do is quit playing "flag hockey" and start playing "tackle hockey."
- rpeters01


How much better would Dach have progressed this year under Q, rather than Colliton?


Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 10 @ 4:48 PM ET
The notion that Toews will ever be a 3C on the Hawks needs to stop. It will never happen. I mean, it would be a thrill if the Hawks have 2 centers better than Toews but it isn't going to happen before the end of this contract. If at all.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 10 @ 4:50 PM ET
Who says he's been offered a deal?
- GPHawksfan

About 5 different outlets.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 10 @ 4:51 PM ET
Strome isn't big. He's tall, yes, but big he is not.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 10 @ 4:53 PM ET
Well, it's been awhile since my last post. Congrats Theo & thanks TC for your time & contributions!!!

I have been decompressing the last few weeks after the Hawks loss and watching the other playoff teams. It's hard to root against "your team"....but I really was hoping they didn't get by Edmonton. I might be in the minority and valuing that #9 overall pick over the Edmonton series win. I really thought that value of a pick in a deep draft would help us more in the long term. I'm torn between the business side and personal side of the team....as "the core" ages past it's prime. Someone posted the other day that you can't do a 1/2 rebuild or 1/2 go for it...that you generally fail at both, which I would sort of agree with. The GM will have to decide what route he wants to take, which the last few years have been to squeeze out everything they can get with "the core". Me personally hope they can acquire assets for this upcoming deep draft and draft another few pieces to add to the new core of Boquist & Dach.

Since we have been doing a few mock trades....here's my take:

Domi & Danault for Saad & Strome & Sikura (if we're trying to win now)
#8 overall & Cozens & Mattias Samuelsson for DeBrincat & Strome & Maata & Sikura (maybe other mid level prospects or mid draft pick)

- DrewDawg


Buffalo isn't trading Cozens. He is pretty much all they have as a forward prospect.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 10 @ 4:54 PM ET
A lot of these takes are going to look so so bad when Dinky puts up 25-35 goals next season.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 10 @ 5:09 PM ET
For all of you who like going out to the Land Beyond O’Hare for your hockey - you’ll be watching future ‘Canes (not “Kanes”) in action:

https://www.chicagotribun...hcxkb3j7xm42pq-story.html
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 10 @ 5:10 PM ET
A lot of these takes are going to look so so bad when Dinky puts up 25-35 goals next season.
- Elbows15



Would love that and I was one of the posters bashing Toews for having a few bad years there but he looked much better this year.

Bergeron is 35 and looks really good still.

Maybe you transition Toews to having less defensive responsibilities as he ages but I think he will still be a top 6 C until he retires (if he stays relatively healthy). Players take a lot better care of themselves now then they did even 10 years ago. The sports science and sports nutrition/supplements market has exploded in the last decade or so.

I mean Brad Richards was a 2C on the Hawks at age 34.

I like having 3C problems instead of the 8 years or so of having 2C problems.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 10 @ 5:18 PM ET
A lot of these takes are going to look so so bad when Dinky puts up 25-35 goals next season.
- Elbows15

Imo trading dcat is not the right move 87 goals in 3 years so basically a 30 goal scorer. Unless its an extreme overpay no. Plus plays bigger than his size good skater needs work on defensive side of the puck. Saad another one for the right price yes the only question can the blackhawks afford him after this year. If bowman does trade him better get a 1st top prospect for him.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Sep 10 @ 5:28 PM ET
Hold on to your butts: Pierre LeBrun reporting that Colliton may be close to a contract extension. He is entering the final year of his current contract.
- Theo Fox


Saw that.

My guess is that Colliton will be extended to a short-term, (2 year deal would make sense) and he will be very cheap in comparison to other NHL coaches.

They are apparently comfortable with Colliton at the helm and if anything changes, it won't cost the Hawks much to move on from him.

Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 10 @ 5:33 PM ET
Danault wants more of an offensive role. Yes, he would get PK time, but even if Toews is a "3"c, he still would be on the PP before Danault. Also, currently the Hawks have (at least in numbers), strength at center and are weak at the wings.. I assume trading DCat means you are signing Saad, which is iffy. If you lose both, that would mean you have no left wingers that are remotely close to top 6 material (unless the lights go on in Nylander's head).
- LAHawk

All good points on how reacquiring Danault wouldn't be easy.

As far as a greater offensive role, Toews can still take the draws and star on PP1. Then have Danault be the center on PP2.

In the low likelihood that Danault is back in Chicago, Strome is a goner to make space and so would another piece to help clear up cap space (not all in the same deal).

Danault would essentially take Strome's spot on the PP.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 10 @ 5:34 PM ET
Saw that.

My guess is that Colliton will be extended to a short-term, (2 year deal would make sense) and he will be very cheap in comparison to other NHL coaches.

They are apparently comfortable with Colliton at the helm and if anything changes, it won't cost the Hawks much to move on from him.

- Tyler Cameron

So if hawks miss the playoffs again which most likely to happen SO JC AND BOWMAN. Don't get let go. Turning into the bulls settling for mediocre seasons.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 10 @ 5:36 PM ET
Well, it's been awhile since my last post. Congrats Theo & thanks TC for your time & contributions!!!

I have been decompressing the last few weeks after the Hawks loss and watching the other playoff teams. It's hard to root against "your team"....but I really was hoping they didn't get by Edmonton. I might be in the minority and valuing that #9 overall pick over the Edmonton series win. I really thought that value of a pick in a deep draft would help us more in the long term. I'm torn between the business side and personal side of the team....as "the core" ages past it's prime. Someone posted the other day that you can't do a 1/2 rebuild or 1/2 go for it...that you generally fail at both, which I would sort of agree with. The GM will have to decide what route he wants to take, which the last few years have been to squeeze out everything they can get with "the core". Me personally hope they can acquire assets for this upcoming deep draft and draft another few pieces to add to the new core of Boquist & Dach.

Since we have been doing a few mock trades....here's my take:

Domi & Danault for Saad & Strome & Sikura (if we're trying to win now)
#8 overall & Cozens & Mattias Samuelsson for DeBrincat & Strome & Maata & Sikura (maybe other mid level prospects or mid draft pick)

- DrewDawg

I agree 1/2 rebuilds 1/2 go for it don't work. See White Sox 2010-15. That said, nobody could predict the core would age as quickly as it did. Also, in the present cap environment let alone flat cap you can't sell your expensive players for top prospects nobody will trade cheap bright future for expensive little future. I don't see your other trade proposals happening either but who knows?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 10 @ 5:37 PM ET
Well, it's been awhile since my last post. Congrats Theo & thanks TC for your time & contributions!!!

I have been decompressing the last few weeks after the Hawks loss and watching the other playoff teams. It's hard to root against "your team"....but I really was hoping they didn't get by Edmonton. I might be in the minority and valuing that #9 overall pick over the Edmonton series win. I really thought that value of a pick in a deep draft would help us more in the long term. I'm torn between the business side and personal side of the team....as "the core" ages past it's prime. Someone posted the other day that you can't do a 1/2 rebuild or 1/2 go for it...that you generally fail at both, which I would sort of agree with. The GM will have to decide what route he wants to take, which the last few years have been to squeeze out everything they can get with "the core". Me personally hope they can acquire assets for this upcoming deep draft and draft another few pieces to add to the new core of Boquist & Dach.

Since we have been doing a few mock trades....here's my take:

Domi & Danault for Saad & Strome & Sikura (if we're trying to win now)
#8 overall & Cozens & Mattias Samuelsson for DeBrincat & Strome & Maata & Sikura (maybe other mid level prospects or mid draft pick)

- DrewDawg

Thanks, Drew!

I believe it was EbonyRaptor who brought up the can't be half this or half that. That argument makes a lot of sense for why the Hawks are stuck in neutral or backsliding if that is the persepctive others want to take.
DrewDawg
Joined: 05.10.2016

Sep 10 @ 5:38 PM ET
Buffalo isn't trading Cozens. He is pretty much all they have as a forward prospect.
- Elbows15


Yeah, the GM is in a similar situation of trying to win asap with Eichel....if not he may force a trade (AKA Ryan O’Reilly). They may want a 30-40 goal scorer In Dcat & a 2C in Strome to win now...vs another “rebuild” with prospects & picks.

Another idea would be Winnipeg, maybe Dcat & Strome & Maata package for Laine & Copp or Lowry.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 10 @ 5:39 PM ET
How much better would Dach have progressed this year under Q, rather than Colliton?
- LAHawk

I doubt much he didn't have the body until after shut down.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 10 @ 5:40 PM ET
Saw that.

My guess is that Colliton will be extended to a short-term, (2 year deal would make sense) and he will be very cheap in comparison to other NHL coaches.

They are apparently comfortable with Colliton at the helm and if anything changes, it won't cost the Hawks much to move on from him.

- Tyler Cameron

That would make sense, i.e. low term and value. Colliton wouldn't be getting a mega contract extension. He doesn't have the track record to control high figures. Bridge deal for coaches, so to speak.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 10 @ 6:10 PM ET
Thanks, Drew!

I believe it was EbonyRaptor who brought up the can't be half this or half that. That argument makes a lot of sense for why the Hawks are stuck in neutral or backsliding if that is the persepctive others want to take.

- Theo Fox


I am not sure if they are stuck in neutral. The Wings did this as Dats and Zetterburg aged.

The Hawks core is aging but they have a lot more in the cupboard then the Wings did. The Wings also didn't really develop any of their young guys.

Dach Kubalik and Dcat is a nice start. Plenty of good prospects on the backend.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 10 @ 6:45 PM ET
I am not sure if they are stuck in neutral. The Wings did this as Dats and Zetterburg aged.

The Hawks core is aging but they have a lot more in the cupboard then the Wings did. The Wings also didn't really develop any of their young guys.

Dach Kubalik and Dcat is a nice start. Plenty of good prospects on the backend.

- bhawks2241

My take is prior to this season (i.e. before Dach and Boqvist), the team had been in neutral since the 2017 playoffs.

Today and moving ahead, though, I would agree that they have more to look forward to compared to other teams like the Wings.

That's not to say there will be total resurrection to greatness in a few years but the Hawks are definitely in a better spot to grow and keep growing.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 10 @ 7:02 PM ET
My take is prior to this season (i.e. before Dach and Boqvist), the team had been in neutral since the 2017 playoffs.

Today and moving ahead, though, I would agree that they have more to look forward to compared to other teams like the Wings.

That's not to say there will be total resurrection to greatness in a few years but the Hawks are definitely in a better spot to grow and keep growing.

- Theo Fox

Agree but is JC the right guy for the job?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 10 @ 7:07 PM ET
Hold on to your butts: Pierre LeBrun reporting that Colliton may be close to a contract extension. He is entering the final year of his current contract.
- Theo Fox

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