That's an interesting thought. Just spitballing something that likely has no legs but what if the Hawks offered up their 1st rounder + other assets to the Kings for Turcotte.
- Theo Fox

Here's the thing about Turcotte and family:

His old man is not loaded or even in a high salary bracket so they are gonna want sonny "working" pretty soon.

(BECAUSE my grand plan was having him stay in school and coming over as a free agent)

The want him signed and collecting a paycheck as soon as it seems possible.

And although we could try and put a high water mark on him, one thing is clear, he is quick, smart and versatile if not a possible dominant scorer so far. I THINK there is upside but I also think LA may not be interested in trading a fifth overall for a 17th and "something." This requires too much time answering press win why.
and I DO see how selecting a kid at #17 gives their rebuild a bit of time over keeping Turcotte, and he really isn't a prolific GOAL SCORER, and the Kings have a a group of "nice prospects" close, but until they get a guy at slot two (and this is really the basis of the they will take Tim Stützle not Byfield ) who can fill that dominant scoring promise, Turcotte and the others kinda get lumped together in my opinion. So they may move a farm guy or prospect but again teams don't really trade Laine's or picks until they have formed opinions that point to trading them (like Jake Virtanen).

I don't think Turcotte regressed - he still the prospect he was.

And I dont think the Kings are already worrying they will have too many NHL centres in the system if they keep Turcotte and draft another,

Theo I'm on the same page as you in that scenario. Picking at 17 doesn't really get Chicago a high caliber player but if Chicago is willing to move something of value and in return grab a elite center , like turcotte. That would certainly fix a huge issue going forward.


Off hand what is la looking for ? Would la take the 17th pick and strome ?
- Taylorst1

The issue is "Does L.A. need to trade a prospect for Strome and and other prospect?

they have to keep, trade, or buyout Jeff Carter in two years, Kopitar 10 mil deal in four years and Gabe Vilardi, Akil Thomas, Jaret Anderson-Dolan, and Tyler Madden as signed and play now options.

I think they would all have to fail as NHL candidates before they panic to the point of pursuing Strome for Turcotte....

Thank you Theo for the nice write-up and being a worthy successor to Tyler.

One thing about Strome....I really thought his skating had shown improvement from the year before until the ankle injury. I wonder if that injury was one of those really problem ones. We will find out as next season unfolds.
He will be, IMHO, an affordable re-up and it would be great if he can force the 'Hawks to play him more minutes due to performance.
- 35Tony0

Yeah, and I am thinking that is the organization thoughts too...

I think a Strome for Strome swap with the Rangers makes sense. Theirs is a 3C being asked to play 2C; Chicago's is a 2C being asked to play 3C.
- DarthProbert

Sidenote:


Can anybody think of a brother for brother NHL trade ?


This old-timer is trying, but failing

That's a good deal , turcotte is 19 I believe maybe 20 and his skill level offensively is high he would be part of the future where as saad would be on the downside of his career
- Taylorst1

So why the (frank) would LA do it then?

Kings just need their prospects to grow up, they are rated #1 for prospects by the Athletic, plus they have 11 draft choices this year including overall #2, and 3 seconds. What they would really love to do is get rid of dead weight contracts (Carter, Brown, Quick).
- LAHawk

Woof Brown at 5.8 cap hit through 2023. He has played solid the last 3 seasons but yikes. I think he is 35 already?

- scottak

There is a whole lot of stupid being posted today

So why the (frank) would LA do it then?
- GPHawksfan

What would be a good trade for turcotte from L.A. from the hawks?

What would be a good trade for turcotte from L.A. from the hawks?
- Scott1977

You would have to take one of Brown or Carter, and besides that, the Hawks don't have the right pieces to trade, unless you want to trade Dach, who LA thought was going to be available when they picked last year.

Kings just need their prospects to grow up, they are rated #1 for prospects by the Athletic, plus they have 11 draft choices this year including overall #2, and 3 seconds. What they would really love to do is get rid of dead weight contracts (Carter, Brown, Quick).
- LAHawk

Thanks for the intel, LAHawk.

Do these trades work on xbox? I can't see them working in the league. Personally i want this team to develop their players and unfortunately guys that means some ugly underwhelming hockey for a couple of years. Won't Turcotte need to develop or is he going to just be great as soon as he plays with men?

You would have to take one of Brown or Carter, and besides that, the Hawks don't have the right pieces to trade, unless you want to trade Dach, who LA thought was going to be available when they picked last year.
- LAHawk

Ok agree

Do these trades work on xbox? I can't see them working in the league. Personally i want this team to develop their players and unfortunately guys that means some ugly underwhelming hockey for a couple of years. Won't Turcotte need to develop or is he going to just be great as soon as he plays with men?
- BetweenTheDots

XBox trades.

The Hawks have two middle 6 wings they need to do something with in Shaw and Smith. That is dead cap space (not counting on either to do squat next season).

Then maybe they can go sign a 3rd line center to a short term contract. Who knows what contracts are going to look like due to the COVID uncertainty. Could be some good deals to be had.

Hawks have had some luck with drafting forwards lately. Dach, Dcat, and Saad all jumped to the NHL in year one.

Maybe someone at pick 17 could make that jump and have a positive impact or at least show he belongs in the show?

Unless Mitchell comes in day 1 next year and looks like a stud and Dach just dominates, I don't think the team will look much better next year.

Seabrook is 35. I don't care if he is finally 100% healthy. No one beats father time. He isn't going to come back as anything better than a bottom pair guy.

Probably a .500 team that gets another mid first round pick.

Do these trades work on xbox? I can't see them working in the league. Personally i want this team to develop their players and unfortunately guys that means some ugly underwhelming hockey for a couple of years. Won't Turcotte need to develop or is he going to just be great as soon as he plays with men?
- BetweenTheDots

This is simply what Cup Winners must do.

So far, Red Wings have gotten stuck, but I think their "new" GM from Tampa will help them get going in the right direction, but these things take time and good drafts and smart adds, and some draft successes from the higher round picks 4, 5, and 6, even if they are supplementary pieces.

And yes, you don't just start sending the young skilled guys unless a) you are sure they dont have the IQ, b) they clearly cannot improve, or c) project as marginals who you dont want to trifle with salary-wise.

So I expect the Red Wings and Blackhawks to keep their kids until they just see a chance to rate a new wrinkle back in the hawks scheme they may have too little of.

(You know what I am saying, right?)

XBox trades.

The Hawks have two middle 6 wings they need to do something with in Shaw and Smith. That is dead cap space (not counting on either to do squat next season).

Then maybe they can go sign a 3rd line center to a short term contract. Who knows what contracts are going to look like due to the COVID uncertainty. Could be some good deals to be had.

Hawks have had some luck with drafting forwards lately. Dach, Dcat, and Saad all jumped to the NHL in year one.

Maybe someone at pick 17 could make that jump and have a positive impact or at least show he belongs in the show?

Unless Mitchell comes in day 1 next year and looks like a stud and Dach just dominates, I don't think the team will look much better next year.

Seabrook is 35. I don't care if he is finally 100% healthy. No one beats father time. He isn't going to come back as anything better than a bottom pair guy.

Probably a .500 team that gets another mid first round pick.
- bhawks2241

If Shaw can't go this year, LTIR, can't the Hawks wait until the season starts, then sign Strome or Kubalik and slide him under the cap? Isn't this what the Leafs did?

Smith will be a FA after 21 season so no problems

Sounds like Suter will replace Caggiula and again maybe Strome just needs to just be okay with accepting a role as a 3rd line center, young players its also a mind set as much as physical

ESPN ranked the top 15 rookies in this year's playoffs. They had K.Dach as #6 overall (with D. Kubalik as #8).

They did put D-men C.Makar and Q. Hughes as #1 and #2....

Article here if interested (sorry T.Fox for leading others away from your fine writing here): https://www.espn.com/nhl/...p-10-stanley-cup-playoffs.

ESPN ranked the top 15 rookies in this year's playoffs. They had K.Dach as #6 overall (with D. Kubalik as #8).

They did put D-men C.Makar and Q. Hughes as #1 and #2....

Article here if interested (sorry T.Fox for leading others away from your fine writing here): https://www.espn.com/nhl/...p-10-stanley-cup-playoffs.
- DontKnowNutin

I thought espn didn't do hockey

ESPN ranked the top 15 rookies in this year's playoffs. They had K.Dach as #6 overall (with D. Kubalik as #8).

They did put D-men C.Makar and Q. Hughes as #1 and #2....

Article here if interested (sorry T.Fox for leading others away from your fine writing here): https://www.espn.com/nhl/...p-10-stanley-cup-playoffs.
- DontKnowNutin

No worries at all! Love it that you all share articles to help spur conversation.

Once I write each blog, I'm just a fan like everyone else on these boards whether the regular posters or those who are loyal readers only and everyone in between.

Hawks have had some luck with drafting forwards lately. Dach, Dcat, and Saad all jumped to the NHL in year one.
- bhawks2241

Shaw did this, too, spending less than a season at Rockford. Maybe there's a dark horse amongst the new prospects joining the Hogs, i.e. Mitchell, Kalynuk, Altybarmakyan, Barratt, Chalupa, etc.

Suter is the one who seems ahead of the pack and almost a shoo-in like Kubalik and Kahun.

Typing out Altybarmakyan, Barratt, and Chalupa is an omen that a new ABC line may be in the making. At least in the AHL.

ESPN ranked the top 15 rookies in this year's playoffs. They had K.Dach as #6 overall (with D. Kubalik as #8).

They did put D-men C.Makar and Q. Hughes as #1 and #2....

Article here if interested (sorry T.Fox for leading others away from your fine writing here): https://www.espn.com/nhl/...p-10-stanley-cup-playoffs.
- DontKnowNutin

Interesting that Dach was the only one from this past draft in the top 15.

Interesting that Dach was the only one from this past draft in the top 15.
- tvetter

Having minimal hockey knowledge, I think he will end up being the best player in the draft.

Kakko and Hughes are both one dimensional guys.

Dach will learn how to shoot more.

Interesting that Dach was the only one from this past draft in the top 15.
- tvetter

Since no other 2019s had as much impact as he showed...

Shaw did this, too, spending less than a season at Rockford. Maybe there's a dark horse amongst the new prospects joining the Hogs, i.e. Mitchell, Kalynuk, Altybarmakyan, Barratt, Chalupa, etc.

Suter is the one who seems ahead of the pack and almost a shoo-in like Kubalik and Kahun.

Typing out Altybarmakyan, Barratt, and Chalupa is an omen that a new ABC line may be in the making. At least in the AHL.
- Theo Fox

Mitchell most likely. I like Barratt a lot except his skating. I watched a few Penn State games on Big Ten Network in 2019. He looked like he was skating in mud sometimes.

Almost like Jeremy Morin (ok not THAT bad). A lot of moving parts and effort but doesn't seem to get anywhere very fast.

I remember Morin just being gassed after 30 second shifts because his stride was so bad.

There is a whole lot of stupid being posted today
- GPHawksfan

Typical fans, "we want your guy so take our crap and give him to us!"

There is a whole lot of stupid being posted today
- GPHawksfan

To what? Kane being ok defensively? He is average on defense as an NHL forward. He is actually pretty crafty in his own end along the boards and makes a lot of nice little plays to get transition going.

Yes he stays high in the zone a lot of the time but that is what he is supposed to do.

Better than Strome and Dcat. Probably about the same as Kubalik.