How about a trade of RFA C's between Hawks and Sabres.

Chi needs a 3C to provide that "3Rd D" and flip-the-ice capabilities , while Buffalo needs a 2C to help generate Offense.

Buffalo offers RFA's Johan Larsson and Zemgus Girgenson
for
Dylan Strome.

Larsson and Girgenson served as the 3rd line in Buffalo based on TOI receiving heavy D-zone starts the last 2 - 3 years and was responsible to shut-down top rated lines while flipping the ice through solid possession play to give their 1st line a great chance of starting a majority of shifts in the O-zone. they would be perfect to address that need in Chicago and allow Dach to take the next step.

Buffalo has Dylan Cozens to ink in as their 3C to star his career...much like Dach did and work his way up to 2C eventually. But Sabres real need is Offense at 2C to get Skinner going again

trade made in heaven!
- IonSabres

Both negative players for their careers. Pass!

Theo I'm on the same page as you in that scenario. Picking at 17 doesn't really get Chicago a high caliber player but if Chicago is willing to move something of value and in return grab a elite center , like turcotte. That would certainly fix a huge issue going forward.


Off hand what is la looking for ? Would la take the 17th pick and strome ?

Theo I'm on the same page as you in that scenario. Picking at 17 doesn't really get Chicago a high caliber player but if Chicago is willing to move something of value and in return grab a elite center , like turcotte. That would certainly fix a huge issue going forward.


Off hand what is la looking for ? Would la take the 17th pick and strome ?
- Taylorst1

If hawks wanted turcotte it probably be saad and 17th pick to get him maybe a 2nd or 3rd comes back from L.A. along with turcotte.

That's like saying in 2008 somebody would have offered a player and pick for Toews and a better pick. Tough sell.
- rpeters01

Players whom go say in the top 3 or even top 8 doesn't always mean your getting a future elite prospect. I'm good with Chicago trading their 17th pick and a young prospect or even strome for a elite prospect like a turcotte.

Drafting at 17 is hit or miss and whomever is drafted most likely wont play next year or the following but never say never..

If hawks wanted turcotte it probably be saad and 17th pick to get him maybe a 2nd or 3rd comes back from L.A. along with turcotte.
- Scott1977

That's a good deal , turcotte is 19 I believe maybe 20 and his skill level offensively is high he would be part of the future where as saad would be on the downside of his career

Players whom go say in the top 3 or even top 8 doesn't always mean your getting a future elite prospect. I'm good with Chicago trading their 17th pick and a young prospect or even strome for a elite prospect like a turcotte.

Drafting at 17 is hit or miss and whomever is drafted most likely wont play next year or the following but never say never..
- Taylorst1

You have me backwards I'm saying the other team won't make that deal.

You have me backwards I'm saying the other team won't make that deal.
- rpeters01

Oh I understand it always takes a willing partner , but I'm sure all teams have needs to address and assets that their willing to part ways with for the right price.

That's a good deal , turcotte is 19 I believe maybe 20 and his skill level offensively is high he would be part of the future where as saad would be on the downside of his career
- Taylorst1

What if they wanted dcat would do that trade?

How about a trade of RFA C's between Hawks and Sabres.

Chi needs a 3C to provide that "3Rd D" and flip-the-ice capabilities , while Buffalo needs a 2C to help generate Offense.

Buffalo offers RFA's Johan Larsson and Zemgus Girgenson
for
Dylan Strome.

Larsson and Girgenson served as the 3rd line in Buffalo based on TOI receiving heavy D-zone starts the last 2 - 3 years and was responsible to shut-down top rated lines while flipping the ice through solid possession play to give their 1st line a great chance of starting a majority of shifts in the O-zone. they would be perfect to address that need in Chicago and allow Dach to take the next step.

Buffalo has Dylan Cozens to ink in as their 3C to star his career...much like Dach did and work his way up to 2C eventually. But Sabres real need is Offense at 2C to get Skinner going again

trade made in heaven!
- IonSabres

Uh, according to cap friendly both Larsson and Girgenson are UFAs. Why would the Hawks trade for them?

What if they wanted dcat would do that trade?
- Scott1977

Honestly yes I would . Dcat is just a pure shooter , this year maybe it was a one off but he surely failed to continue his past performance, plus he only plays wing . I'll take a high level elite center prospect to shore up that position for the future and maybe look to a future trade for a winger or draft

Just spit balling on the thought on moving #17 for a center.

Think the Rangers would take #17 and Strome for Howden, Georgiev and #22?

Rags get their #2 center, Hawks get a young #3 center and a goalie who can win some games if Crow goes down
- ikeane

Good trade proposal. Howden may end up just being a really good 4th liner, not sure if he'll emerge as a 3rd liner but he's still young.

He's solid defensively and at the dot but the Rangers have been playing him at wing lately. Like Jost, doesn't mean that wing is where he will eventually be in his NHL career.

Bottom 6 centers in Jost and Howden would be an upgrade in my book. I still like Strome's offensive upside, though, so I'd be cautious to part ways so easily.

Thanks, TonyO!

I have a great mentor in Tyler so that's where the mojo comes from. Let's hope it turns into a Quigon Jin + Obiwan Kenobi story rather than Obiwan Kenobi + Anakin Skywalker.

Good call on the ankle injury possibly being a reason for Strome's subpar performance at the end of the regular season and in the bubble. The same logic could also apply to de Haan.

We shall see if both can bounce back and come to camp stronger than ever and ready to level up.
- Theo Fox

Wait, I can't find either of these two on draftsite dot com or eliteprospects?

If hawks wanted turcotte it probably be saad and 17th pick to get him maybe a 2nd or 3rd comes back from L.A. along with turcotte.
- Scott1977

Kings are in full rebuild mode, they would never do this deal, especially if they get only one year from Saad and he goes FA.

Kane is ok defensively. I'd hope Dach takes another big step forward on the defensive side of things and can make up for some of the defensive deficiencies. The Kane line has always been good even with average or below average defensive forwards. There is also the big assumption that Nylander doesn't suck, which isn't likely, so the entire idea kind of falls apart! Unless the Hawks acquire another top 6 forward to play with Kane and Dach.

The 3rd line would be bad defensively. That is why you use it as the bum slaying line. They should be able to rack up points.....assuming Colliton can actually get favorable match ups for them.
- bhawks2241

Blackhawk 3C for 2020-21 is perhaps the biggest conundrum they face. Strome is ill suited for the role. Dach has surpassed him for 2C, both offensively and defensively.

Unfortunately, Dave Bolland types do not grow on proverbial trees. I do think Mac Entwistle will fill that role for the Blackhawks in 2021-22 and beyond.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help much in the upcoming season.

From your definition of a 3rd line and a 3C center (I know, a redundant phrase there) I think that 3C is the perfect training ground for your future top-line center for a year or two: learn through defensive responsibilities in all three zones (including getting back when the puck turns out of the ozone), learn how to run the offense in the ozone, and learn how to lead the transition game.

Strome won’t be good at 3C, is not likely to ever be the top-line center, let him concentrate on learning how to be a complete offensive center.

Theo I'm on the same page as you in that scenario. Picking at 17 doesn't really get Chicago a high caliber player but if Chicago is willing to move something of value and in return grab a elite center , like turcotte. That would certainly fix a huge issue going forward.


Off hand what is la looking for ? Would la take the 17th pick and strome ?
- Taylorst1

My trade proposal for Turcotte was pure spitballing knowing that it would take a ton to happen. I highly doubt the Kings trade him especially with the 2nd overall pick to take Byfield.

The Kings would be stacked up the middle with Kopitar, Byfield, and Turcotte with the youngsters eventually becoming the top 6 centers as Kopitar ages yet still a solid defensive pivot at 3C.

Not sure what the Kings need roster wise. LAHawk seems to be more in the know.

Wait, I can't find either of these two on draftsite dot com or eliteprospects?
- Rota's Rooter

They're listed next to Gunnarwolfe Fontaine from the Chicago Steel.

Blackhawk 3C for 2020-21 is perhaps the biggest conundrum they face. Strome is ill suited for the role. Dach has surpassed him for 2C, both offensively and defensively.

Unfortunately, Dave Bolland types do not grow on proverbial trees. I do think Mac Entwistle will fill that role for the Blackhawks in 2021-22 and beyond.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help much in the upcoming season.
- scottak

I would have to agree. If Strome is on the outs, there's no 3C option in the system ready this year whether Entwistle or Kurashev.

A trade for a C/W might be a good option so that it buys time for the youngsters to marinate at an appropriate pace rather than be rushed.

I know I'm banging the Jost drum but he is an example of a possible option. He plays C/W at at 3rd line level with potential to grow more. Plus his next contract shouldn't break the bank coming off his ELC. I'd guess a bridge deal at no more than $2M.

Kings are in full rebuild mode, they would never do this deal, especially if they get only one year from Saad and he goes FA.
- LAHawk

Dcat instead ?

Blackhawk 3C for 2020-21 is perhaps the biggest conundrum they face. Strome is ill suited for the role. Dach has surpassed him for 2C, both offensively and defensively.

Unfortunately, Dave Bolland types do not grow on proverbial trees. I do think Mac Entwistle will fill that role for the Blackhawks in 2021-22 and beyond.
3c is not the biggest concern imo it still the defense and system. Hawks need to get more moblie and more physical on the d core until that improves doesn't matter who is playing 3rd line center.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help much in the upcoming season.
- scottak

From your definition of a 3rd line and a 3C center (I know, a redundant phrase there) I think that 3C is the perfect training ground for your future top-line center for a year or two: learn through defensive responsibilities in all three zones (including getting back when the puck turns out of the ozone), learn how to run the offense in the ozone, and learn how to lead the transition game.

Strome won’t be good at 3C, is not likely to ever be the top-line center, let him concentrate on learning how to be a complete offensive center.
- StLBravesFan

Yeah, I'm on the same page. Calling a line the 2nd or the 3rd is not important, it's who the wingers are with Strome and Dach and what role Colliton wants them to play based on matchups and where they start on the ice (d-zone vs o-zone). Lock in the wingers on the Toews and Kampf lines and then construct the Dach/Strome lines based on the circumstances of each particular game (matchups, home ice last change, etc).

I think it's too early to pull the plug on Strome unless he wants a larger then manageable cap hit, and that seams unlikely since he is RFA.

From your definition of a 3rd line and a 3C center (I know, a redundant phrase there) I think that 3C is the perfect training ground for your future top-line center for a year or two: learn through defensive responsibilities in all three zones (including getting back when the puck turns out of the ozone), learn how to run the offense in the ozone, and learn how to lead the transition game.

Strome won’t be good at 3C, is not likely to ever be the top-line center, let him concentrate on learning how to be a complete offensive center.
- StLBravesFan

At least as it stands currently and without any significant growth to shore up his deficiencies, Strome really is a player with a narrowly defined role and window opportunity as a 2C.

Not strong enough to be a 1C and doesn't have the requisite traits to be a 3C or even 4C. Not impossible for him to be a middle 6 center but a tall order to strengthen his skating and defense.

Kings are in full rebuild mode, they would never do this deal, especially if they get only one year from Saad and he goes FA.
- LAHawk

Agreed you don't trade a young building block center. There's no deal they would take short of Dach in the deal.

My trade proposal for Turcotte was pure spitballing knowing that it would take a ton to happen. I highly doubt the Kings trade him especially with the 2nd overall pick to take Byfield.

The Kings would be stacked up the middle with Kopitar, Byfield, and Turcotte with the youngsters eventually becoming the top 6 centers as Kopitar ages yet still a solid defensive pivot at 3C.

Not sure what the Kings need roster wise. LAHawk seems to be more in the know.
- Theo Fox

Kings just need their prospects to grow up, they are rated #1 for prospects by the Athletic, plus they have 11 draft choices this year including overall #2, and 3 seconds. What they would really love to do is get rid of dead weight contracts (Carter, Brown, Quick).