Well you think it is fair. Well your wrong. There will be 30 teams lining up for his services. An aging clode with 2 years left on his deal does absolutely nothing for the sabres. Sanheim and farabee nice players. Right now that is all they are; Jack is a top player in the league.

I have zero issue seeing what it will take to get him; don't think you will like the price.
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Go ahead. Let's hear it

Not a fan of trading Voracek just to trade him. I doubt there's a way they could do it without taking a step backwards.

IMO of they move kessel they dont want any slary coming back and want young guys/picks. Dont see how JVR helps them.
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I don't think players with significant salary like Kessel will get moved without taking salary back. One thing about Kessel is he only has two years on the contract. So that helps. Anything is possible but I don't think many teams have enough space for that.

My two cents: Based on AV's usage of Jake, JvR, and Ghost, it appears that AV has more confidence in Jake than he does in JvR and Ghost and they would be most likely to be moved if possible. Key words "if possible".

Ghost would in all probability be the easier of the two to move in a trade, but its hard for me to even guess what his perceived value is around the league. If I AM guessing though, I'm guessing its not terribly high.

With JvR, we are probably hoping he gets taken by Seattle in the expansion draft, but that is not guaranteed. Based upon everything else Seattle does, they may find someone else among the available Flyers to be more enticing.

Who among us thought in advance that Bellemare was going to be the guy going to Vegas?

There will be plenty of high salary players available in said draft and reaching the salary floor is not going to be a challenge for Seattle.

What’s everyone think the likely hood that ghost is gone before next year? He is our most likely candidate to be traded imo. Makes too much for 3 rd pair minutes. Has a battle to get back on the pp.

I understand some will say wait to see if he rebounds. But after two years I gave up. I know it doesn’t help his trade value. But if his value was high he’d be steady in our lineup. Change of scenery may reinvigorate his career.

What’s everyone think the likely hood that ghost is gone before next year? He is our most likely candidate to be traded imo. Makes too much for 3 rd pair minutes. Has a battle to get back on the pp.

I understand some will say wait to see if he rebounds. But after two years I gave up. I know it doesn’t help his trade value. But if his value was high he’d be steady in our lineup. Change of scenery may reinvigorate his career.
- Peter Richards

80%. It would be 100% with a normal off-season.

What’s everyone think the likely hood that ghost is gone before next year? He is our most likely candidate to be traded imo. Makes too much for 3 rd pair minutes. Has a battle to get back on the pp.

I understand some will say wait to see if he rebounds. But after two years I gave up. I know it doesn’t help his trade value. But if his value was high he’d be steady in our lineup. Change of scenery may reinvigorate his career.
- Peter Richards

I am fine with moving him now. Last year I was not. It just seems like they have moved on from him as a regular in the lineup.

I reserve the right to complain about the return in the trade.

I don't think players with significant salary like Kessel will get moved without taking salary back. One thing about Kessel is he only has two years on the contract. So that helps. Anything is possible but I don't think many teams have enough space for that.
- mickel25

I agree some has to come back; that will be league wide. Deal doesnt make sense for arizona. Love it from the flyers end!!

Someone mentioned Hall... crazy girlfriend aside, I rather have Hoffman over Hall.

What’s everyone think the likely hood that ghost is gone before next year? He is our most likely candidate to be traded imo. Makes too much for 3 rd pair minutes. Has a battle to get back on the pp.

I understand some will say wait to see if he rebounds. But after two years I gave up. I know it doesn’t help his trade value. But if his value was high he’d be steady in our lineup. Change of scenery may reinvigorate his career.
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His time here is up imo. If he goes and flourishes elsewhere so be it as doesn't seem like will happen. The question is do you just give him away?

What’s everyone think the likely hood that ghost is gone before next year? He is our most likely candidate to be traded imo. Makes too much for 3 rd pair minutes. Has a battle to get back on the pp.

I understand some will say wait to see if he rebounds. But after two years I gave up. I know it doesn’t help his trade value. But if his value was high he’d be steady in our lineup. Change of scenery may reinvigorate his career.
- Peter Richards

Highly likely. Just the fact he struggled to find ice time during the playoffs makes me think he isn't going to be part of the team's plans moving forward.

Go ahead. Let's hear it
- DrMidnite

Start with Ivan if they want D as the centerpiece. Up front will cost multiple pieces. Frost and farabee to start. Unless they can extend couterier not sure they would have interest in him.

I agree some has to come back; that will be league wide. Deal doesnt make sense for arizona. Love it from the flyers end!!
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The Flyers could save them money in year 1 and year 2 depending how much they retain from JVR's contract. So the Flyers save them space for two years and the Flyers get cap savings in year 3. In terms of cap space it is not too far off. Maybe an additional player of some sort or a pick.

Kessel would also need to approve the deal. I am confident he would though.

The Flyers could save them money in year 1 and year 2 depending how much they retain from JVR's contract. So the Flyers save them space for two years and the Flyers get cap savings in year 3. In terms of cap space it is not too far off. Maybe an additional player of some sort or a pick.

Kessel would also need to approve the deal. I am confident he would though.
- mickel25

Arizona is terribly run so anything is possible

Replacing Voracek’s skill set in a reasonable trade and a cap value is really, really unlikely imo. I do think that Voracek and Giroux need to be spaced on separate lines next season.

The most positive me can only ask for Ghost and JVR trades. The best possible type of acquisition is either a younger right handed d-man with potential or more likely, a young middle six forward, think Ehlers type. The acquisition is still a bit of a dream.

I'm kind of surprised that there wasn't some sort of compliance buyout included when they decided to flatten the cap for this season and possibly next.
- MBFlyerfan

Owners were dead set against it.

Just realize that he's NOT an easy player to replace or upgrade upon.
- bmeltzer

Thank you voice of reason.

It's JVR for Kessel. Not Voracek for Kessel.
- mickel25

If you think JvR deigns to do anything off-puck, you're gonna love Phil.

If you think JvR deigns to do anything off-puck, you're gonna love Phil.
- Tomahawk

That is kinda why I posted the trade. They are similar players in that regard. The coaches for each player have seemed to sour on them at least a little.

Taking Kessel gets the Flyers cap relief in the last year of JVR's deal.

If you think JvR deigns to do anything off-puck, you're gonna love Phil.
- Tomahawk

That is kinda why I posted the trade. They are similar players in that regard. The coaches for each player have seemed to sour on them at least a little.

Taking Kessel gets the Flyers cap relief in the last year of JVR's deal.

Man, before you know it (and barring any setbacks due to Covid) the Flyers will be back at it. I won't even have a chance to miss them.

Free Agency is a month away. Crazy times....

Trade V and ghost

Take the C off of G's jersey and we may have something!

These 3 players are the problem

He's hit 20+ goal mark six times in his career, including three of the last four seasons. I wouldn't call that "struggling" to get to 20 even if he often finishes with exactly 20.

He's always been more of a playmaking winger than a goal-scorer, anyway, and he's hit 40+ assists in seven straight seasons (including seasons with 59 and 65 assists). That's quite impressive.

Over the last seven seasons, he is 17th among all NHL forwards in total points and sixth in assists. His 0.85 points per game ranks right in the same territory as Vladimir Tarasenko (0.87), Mathew Barzal (0.88), Phil Kessel (0.86), is identical to Patrice Bergeron, Sebastian Aho and Aleksander Barkov, and slightly higher than Jonathan Huberdeau (0.83), Joe Pavelski (0.83), Evgeni Kuznetov (0.81), Patrik Laine (0.81), Kyle Connor (0.81) and other notables.

Voracek has only missed four games over the last four seasons (two of which were due to a suspension). Over the last eight years, he's only missed a combined 13 games, and dressed in every game of six of those seasons.

While he'll never be known as a two-way player, during the regular season this year, Voracek worked harder on his two-way play than I've ever seen him do, and he had a very good season overall in that regard. It did suck that he was largely responsible for the 2nd goal in Game 7 of the Islanders game, but his overall body of two-way work this year was some of his best as a Flyer.

There are times when Voracek can be a frustrating player, including to Vigneault. He does make some careless plays. I think we'd all like to more often see him in that "I'm taking this puck to the slot/net and no one is gonna stop me" mode that he gets in sometimes. But to say the consistency of his overall production hasn't been impressive is to not compare his around the league. Only if you are looking for superstar-level production is it in any way lacking.

Voracek is a big, strong forward who can also skate, handle the puck on entries and thread the needle. He's never been a pure goal-scorer, going all the way back to junior hockey, but he'll get his 20 most years.

I'm not automatically opposed to trading him. Just realize that he's NOT an easy player to replace or upgrade upon.
- bmeltzer

Thanks for that, Bill. I like Voracek a lot. I'd be sad to see him go were it to happen.

That is kinda why I posted the trade. They are similar players in that regard. The coaches for each player have seemed to sour on them at least a little.

Taking Kessel gets the Flyers cap relief in the last year of JVR's deal.
- mickel25

Kessel's higher maintenance tho. JvR's almost no-maintenance.

Only thing I'll say on a Voracek trade is it hopefully it'll help the Flyers both short and long term.

They played some of their worst hockey that I can remember in recent time and still came within a win of a ECF round. I'd hate to see them quit on a key component that helped them get there.