The Flyers will have to add a pick but I am good with that if they free up $8mil+ in cap space for three years. Make them an offer they can't refuse.
- mickel25

depends what round pick and where some of the prospects are at in their development. Mid round ok.

One of JVR or Jake will go during the expansion draft.

I saw on Twitter yesterday that someone mentioned JVR for Kessel. Interesting thought. Kessel has one less year and would only cost $5.6mil for the next two years. TML is eating $1.2mil of his $6.8mil cap hit.

Flyers would have to add something (pick/prospect) and at least eat some money.
- mickel25

why does phoenix do that deal for JVR? They are in a bind cap wise I believe. I do it in a second.

Not so sure. Why does Seattle want them? Depends n how they build there team and what else is out there; I dont think the flyers can count on a big ticket players being taken is all. Now if the flyers add something then all bets are off. Didn't the GM do a bang up job last expansion draft?
- login

Obviously things can and probably will change a bit before the expansion draft but based on the current roster

3 of the following can be protected: Hagg, Myers, Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim
7 of the following can be protected: Claude & Hayes have to be, Voracek, JVR, Konecny, Couturier, Lindblom, Patrick and NAK. Laughton and Raffl are UFAs but they probably want to retain Laughton if not both.
1 goalie of the following: Hart (the easiest no brainer decision of course), Sandstrom.

why does phoenix do that deal for JVR? They are in a bind cap wise I believe. I do it in a second.
- login

The Flyers could eat some money to make it work. The third year is the only year the Yotes are taking on salary.

I think JVR is a better all around player. Which isn't saying a ton as neither is a great defender. JVR was really good 5 on 5 last season.

Kessel is a more consistent scorer I think. Kessel's overall skill could help the Flyers PP.

JVR and Ghost need to go!! They're are soft players and AV doesn't want soft players on his team. I wouldn't be against either Giroux or Voracek being gone either. No offense to either one of these guys, but they have both failed miserably come playoff time since that 2012 playoff series against the Pens when neither team played defense. I'd go after a guy like Laine from Winnipeg if he is truly available. This team has needed a true sniper for years!!! I don't know why people keep mentioning Arizona like they have cap space cause they don't.

Wasn’t voracek the best player for us in the playoffs? Only 4 years left? Tons of other bums like Grant, Thompson and Braun to get rid of with young cheap players like Frost, Farabee, Zamula, York, etc on the way.

The only danger the Flyers face is clogging the system with grinders and having a team wide system that focuses on bottom six dump and chase instead of top six talent and possession.

I dont even understand why we signed JVR in the first place. To me, he is the same exact player he was when we traded him last time. Doesnt fit the Flyers at all.

JVR and Ghost need to go!! They're are soft players and AV doesn't want soft players on his team. I wouldn't be against either Giroux or Voracek being gone either. No offense to either one of these guys, but they have both failed miserably come playoff time since that 2012 playoff series against the Pens when neither team played defense. I'd go after a guy like Laine from Winnipeg if he is truly available. This team has needed a true sniper for years!!! I don't know why people keep mentioning Arizona like they have cap space cause they don't.
- Phillywhiteout

Hard pass on Laine

One of JVR or Jake will go during the expansion draft.

I saw on Twitter yesterday that someone mentioned JVR for Kessel. Interesting thought. Kessel has one less year and would only cost $5.6mil for the next two years. TML is eating $1.2mil of his $6.8mil cap hit.

Flyers would have to add something (pick/prospect) and at least eat some money.
- mickel25

Not to toot my own horn, but I actually made the same suggestion other night on here JVR for Kessel. Didn’t see it on twitter either. But saw it as a change of scenery type of deal

Not to toot my own horn, but I actually made the same suggestion other night on here JVR for Kessel. Didn’t see it on twitter either. But saw it as a change of scenery type of deal
- arichardson22

I think it makes some sense for both teams. Not a blockbuster but a subtle move that could help both teams.

This is definitely the kind of trade it would be if they try to move JVR.

Jake struggles to reach the 20 goal mark each season and is only reason a 70 point rage guy per season. He’s purely offensive but his offensive numbers aren’t really impressive.
- SuperSchennBros

He's hit 20+ goal mark six times in his career, including three of the last four seasons. I wouldn't call that "struggling" to get to 20 even if he often finishes with exactly 20.

He's always been more of a playmaking winger than a goal-scorer, anyway, and he's hit 40+ assists in seven straight seasons (including seasons with 59 and 65 assists). That's quite impressive.

Over the last seven seasons, he is 17th among all NHL forwards in total points and sixth in assists. His 0.85 points per game ranks right in the same territory as Vladimir Tarasenko (0.87), Mathew Barzal (0.88), Phil Kessel (0.86), is identical to Patrice Bergeron, Sebastian Aho and Aleksander Barkov, and slightly higher than Jonathan Huberdeau (0.83), Joe Pavelski (0.83), Evgeni Kuznetov (0.81), Patrik Laine (0.81), Kyle Connor (0.81) and other notables.

Voracek has only missed four games over the last four seasons (two of which were due to a suspension). Over the last eight years, he's only missed a combined 13 games, and dressed in every game of six of those seasons.

While he'll never be known as a two-way player, during the regular season this year, Voracek worked harder on his two-way play than I've ever seen him do, and he had a very good season overall in that regard. It did suck that he was largely responsible for the 2nd goal in Game 7 of the Islanders game, but his overall body of two-way work this year was some of his best as a Flyer.

There are times when Voracek can be a frustrating player, including to Vigneault. He does make some careless plays. I think we'd all like to more often see him in that "I'm taking this puck to the slot/net and no one is gonna stop me" mode that he gets in sometimes. But to say the consistency of his overall production hasn't been impressive is to not compare his around the league. Only if you are looking for superstar-level production is it in any way lacking.

Voracek is a big, strong forward who can also skate, handle the puck on entries and thread the needle. He's never been a pure goal-scorer, going all the way back to junior hockey, but he'll get his 20 most years.

I'm not automatically opposed to trading him. Just realize that he's NOT an easy player to replace or upgrade upon.

To Buf: Sanheim, Farabee, & Giroux

To Phi: Eichel, McCabe

To Buf: Sanheim, Farabee, & Giroux

To Phi: Eichel, McCabe
- DrMidnite

Why would Giroux accept a trade to Buffalo?

Why would Giroux accept a trade to Buffalo?
- mickel25

Make the situation untenable if needed.

You can always ask.

how many teams if any, really struggle to get to the salary floor? if I am a team with plenty of cap space im asking for the moon to take on any cap dumps.

The Flyers could eat some money to make it work. The third year is the only year the Yotes are taking on salary.

I think JVR is a better all around player. Which isn't saying a ton as neither is a great defender. JVR was really good 5 on 5 last season.

Kessel is a more consistent scorer I think. Kessel's overall skill could help the Flyers PP.
- mickel25

IMO of they move kessel they dont want any slary coming back and want young guys/picks. Dont see how JVR helps them.

To Buf: Sanheim, Farabee, & Giroux

To Phi: Eichel, McCabe
- DrMidnite

Come on man, why does Bufflao make that move?

He's hit 20+ goal mark six times in his career, including three of the last four seasons. I wouldn't call that "struggling" to get to 20 even if he often finishes with exactly 20.

He's always been more of a playmaking winger than a goal-scorer, anyway, and he's hit 40+ assists in seven straight seasons (including seasons with 59 and 65 assists). That's quite impressive.

Over the last seven seasons, he is 17th among all NHL forwards in total points and sixth in assists. His 0.85 points per game ranks right in the same territory as Vladimir Tarasenko (0.87), Mathew Barzal (0.88), Phil Kessel (0.86), is identical to Patrice Bergeron, Sebastian Aho and Aleksander Barkov, and slightly higher than Jonathan Huberdeau (0.83), Joe Pavelski (0.83), Evgeni Kuznetov (0.81), Patrik Laine (0.81), Kyle Connor (0.81) and other notable.

Voracek has only missed four games over the last four seasons (two of which were due to a suspension). Over the last eight years, he's only missed a combined 13 games, and dressed in every game of six of those seasons.

While he'll never be known as a two-way player, during the regular season this year, Voracek worked harder on his two-way play than I've ever seen him do, and he had a very good season overall in that regard. It did suck that he was largely responsible for the 2nd goal in Game 7 of the Islanders game, but his overall body of two-way work this year was some of his best as a Flyer.

There are times when Voracek can be a frustrating player, including to Vigneault. He does make some careless plays. I think we'd all like to more often see him in that "I'm taking this puck to the slot/net and no one is gonna stop me" mode that he gets in sometimes. But to say the consistency of his overall production hasn't been impressive is to not compare his around the league. Only if you are looking for superstar-level production is it in any way lacking.

Voracek is a big, strong forward who can also skate, handle the puck on entries and thread the needle. He's never been a pure goal-scorer, going all the way back to junior hockey, but he'll get his 20 most.

I'm not automatically opposed to trading him. Just realize that he's NOT an easy player to replace or upgrade upon.
- bmeltzer

Bill do you think this core needs a shakeup yes or no?

Come on man, why does Bufflao make that move?
- login

There is smoke about him NOT liking it there.

If there IS, I want to be on their doorstep with a great offer.

I think it's a fair offer for him. We need to replace young Giroux. We have no one now, or in the pipeline who is a legit stud.

I have claimed that the Flyers will not win the Cup as long as G is the player we need to step up. He cannot carry a team by himself. We will win the Cup when G is utilized more as a "role" guy and not the one to carry the offense. We are getting close but we need more pieces.

Lindblom - Patrick - TK
Ratcliff - Frost - Farabee
G - Coots - NAK
Raffl - Thompson/Grant - Pitlick

Provy - Nisky
Myers - Sanheim
York - Hagg/Morin?/Zamula

HART

Obviously things can and probably will change a bit before the expansion draft but based on the current roster

3 of the following can be protected: Hagg, Myers, Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim
7 of the following can be protected: Claude & Hayes have to be, Voracek, JVR, Konecny, Couturier, Lindblom, Patrick and NAK. Laughton and Raffl are UFAs but they probably want to retain Laughton if not both.
1 goalie of the following: Hart (the easiest no brainer decision of course), Sandstrom.
- nastyflyergirl

It depends on what seattle wants to do. If they resign Laughton and NAK continues to progress maybe they take him; hagg imo will resign a 2 year deal. Maybe he is an option.

Bill do you think this core needs a shakeup yes or no?
- login

I think anything should be considered. I'm not automatically opposed to a trade within the core group. A trade for cap space or for change's sake alone, no.

There is smoke about him NOT liking it there.

If there IS, I want to be on their doorstep with a great offer.

I think it's a fair offer for him. We need to replace young Giroux. We have no one now, or in the pipeline who is a legit stud.
- DrMidnite

Well you think it is fair. Well your wrong. There will be 30 teams lining up for his services. An aging clode with 2 years left on his deal does absolutely nothing for the sabres. Sanheim and farabee nice players. Right now that is all they are; Jack is a top player in the league.

I have zero issue seeing what it will take to get him; don't think you will like the price.

I think anything should be considered. I'm not automatically opposed to a trade within the core group. A trade for cap space or for change's sake alone, no.
- bmeltzer

Fair enough. I disagree though a change is needed to me.

I have claimed that the Flyers will not win the Cup as long as G is the player we need to step up. He cannot carry a team by himself. We will win the Cup when G is utilized more as a "role" guy and not the one to carry the offense. We are getting close but we need more pieces.

Lindblom - Patrick - TK
Ratcliff - Frost - Farabee
G - Coots - NAK
Raffl - Thompson/Grant - Pitlick

Provy - Nisky
Myers - Sanheim
York - Hagg/Morin?/Zamula

HART
- cdearth23

WHat did you get when you traded Hayes and Laughton?