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Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Sep 7 @ 10:20 PM ET
Nice to see isles get spanked.
- arichardson22



I'm pulling for the Isles. There's something about Tampa that just rubs me the wrong way.

I just don't have the reflexive dislike for the Isles that I do for the Rangers.
Toadthedry
Joined: 02.07.2015

Sep 7 @ 10:20 PM ET
Not concussion related. It is a migraine disorder.
- MJL


I recall around a year ago he was diagnosed with migraines. With him still unable to play nearly a year later my guess is that it is post concussion related. I have never heard of someone missing a year of professional sports due to migraines whereas many have missed it due to concussion. There is no precise reliable test that makes a diagnosis of migraine and therefore over a year out it is more likely concussion related. In any event I hope he recovers whatever it turns out to be.
ClutchFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Warminster, PA
Joined: 04.08.2008

Sep 7 @ 10:20 PM ET
this Islanders team is a farce.
- PLindbergh31


Yes...what speed and skill on one team can do to make the other team look bad! Just shows you what the Flyers don't have!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:22 PM ET
Your 11 wins isn’t the Cup finals; the minimum in your mind is a game 7 loss in the conference finals, right?

1 round - 4 wins
2 round - 4 wins
3 round - 3 win minimum = your contender status

I think it’s pretty close to fair, but I would think most would agree 10 wins is true contender status though.

Edit: This would mean 3 or 4 contenders a year most of the time which is more accurate than 2 or 3.

Regardless, the Flyers will get there in your window.

- NC Flyers Fan


It's 8 wins in my view. If you make it to the Conference finals, you're a contender.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Sep 7 @ 10:23 PM ET
Just a Hypothetical question, would you trade JVR for Phil Kessel?
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:23 PM ET
With the Jays, Yanks and Rays already in the division?
The Caps and Pens are in decline, it is the Flyers, Rangers and Isles division now like the old Patrick Division days!

- ClutchFlyer


It won't be easy, but, unfortunately, MLB Is making it easier to qualify for the postseason.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:24 PM ET
I recall around a year ago he was diagnosed with migraines. With him still unable to play nearly a year later my guess is that it is post concussion related. I have never heard of someone missing a year of professional sports due to migraines whereas many have missed it due to concussion. There is no precise reliable test that makes a diagnosis of migraine and therefore over a year out it is more likely concussion related. In any event I hope he recovers whatever it turns out to be.
- Toadthedry


He's been under the care of doctors. It has never been reported as a concussion issue and has been reported by multiple sources as a migraine disorder. Having never heard of something does not make it false.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 7 @ 10:37 PM ET
You're not right, you were proven wrong. There you go again, coming unraveled when challenged and calling people names.

This shows your lack of understanding of analytics. Corsi should always be looked at in 5 on 5 play. Educate yourself and you might get it right.

- MJL


Riiighht. Corsi "should" be always used in 5-on-5. No doubt that's why a commonly used site puts the 5-on-5 as a special tab and the unified Corsi on the main page.

And then we will go into another argumentative loop about which site is right while the fact that I never said ES Corsi, and the fact that it would not make the slightest difference (since 55% is also elite) will go abegging.

Thank goodness I don't have to deal with a guy like you in my real life. Goodness, I cannot even imagine!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 7 @ 10:39 PM ET
Your 11 wins isn’t the Cup finals; the minimum in your mind is a game 7 loss in the conference finals, right?

1 round - 4 wins
2 round - 4 wins
3 round - 3 win minimum = your contender status

I think it’s pretty close to fair, but I would think most would agree 10 wins is true contender status though.

Edit: This would mean 3 or 4 contenders a year most of the time which is more accurate than 2 or 3.

Regardless, the Flyers will get there in your window.

- NC Flyers Fan


Right, I feel to be contender over a period of time, you should at least be able to show up for what you are contending for. Teams that might think of themselves as a contender might turn out not to be.

Your 10 wins instead of 11 is quite idiosyncratic and whimsical, but that would be a little hard to cmpute the odds of since you would have to go game by game in the ECF.

So, why don't we do this: I will give you 2:1 odds for the 11 wins, since only you took the bet and I am almost outa here. If they make it, I pay $400 and if they don't you pay $200?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:40 PM ET
I thought the Islanders were a lot better than this. I figured they'd be the ones to beat in the east after our series. Now I see we are light years away from a cup.
- Sir_Robot_Farts


I figured if we snuck by the isles we’d get destroyed by the lightning. 8 2 is bad though.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 7 @ 10:42 PM ET
Marner is young. Voracek is old. Marner is above a point a game player. Voracek is a lot less than that.
- SuperSchennBros


Thats why I said +
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 7 @ 10:43 PM ET
Right, I feel to be contender over a period of time, you should at least be able to show up for what you are contending for. Teams that might think of themselves as a contender might turn out not to be.

Your 10 wins instead of 11 is quite idiosyncratic and whimsical, but that would be a little hard to cmpute the odds of since you would have to go game by game in the ECF.

So, why don't we do this: I will give you 2:1 odds for the 11 wins, since only you took the bet and I am almost outa here. If they make it, I pay $400 and if they don't you pay $200?

- PT21


Sorry: I thought I was replying to Landros 2!



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:44 PM ET
Riiighht. Corsi "should" be always used in 5-on-5. No doubt that's why a commonly used site puts the 5-on-5 as a special tab and the unified Corsi on the main page.

And then we will go into another argumentative loop about which site is right while the fact that I never said ES Corsi, and the fact that it would not make the slightest difference (since 55% is also elite) will go abegging.

Thank goodness I don't have to deal with a guy like you in my real life. Goodness, I cannot even imagine!

- PT21


There's no argument. You messed up. It's the fundamentals of Corsi. Nobody includes all situations such as the PP when looking at Corsi. In fact if we filter in minutes and use 600 minutes to have a large enough sample size, there was one player in the entire league who hit the 60% mark. I instantly knew you were wrong without even looking.

It certainly makes a difference. 55 is not 60. You were wrong and I called you on it. Deal with it. I'm aware that you don't want to deal with someone who checks you in real life. You can't handle it here, I doubt you could in real life.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 7 @ 10:46 PM ET
A long-suffering fan of both, I am of the opinion that the Orioles will make the World Series before the Flyers make the SCF.
- MrBuzzcut


Honestly, at this time I think they have no better odds than any 32. Because the teams that are utterly out of it, like Detroit, will stockpile picks and will be a force a few years away, and the teams that are real contenders, well we are not a part of them.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 7 @ 10:49 PM ET
Game over. Was curious how Isles would match up.

Frankly, we should have been eliminated by Montreal. We are not a top 8 club in the NHL.

See ya all sometime in the future. Be safe.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Sep 7 @ 10:51 PM ET
Sorry: I thought I was replying to Landros 2!




- PT21


Well, I’m not sorry. Being called whimsical and idiosyncratic in my thoughts is a first, I somehow feel proud.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:51 PM ET
Honestly, at this time I think they have no better odds than any 32. Because the teams that are utterly out of it, like Detroit, will stockpile picks and will be a force a few years away, and the teams that are real contenders, well we are not a part of them.
- PT21


Edmonton stockpiled picks for a number of years, are they a force?
Sir_Robot_Farts
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.27.2020

Sep 7 @ 10:51 PM ET
I recall around a year ago he was diagnosed with migraines. With him still unable to play nearly a year later my guess is that it is post concussion related. I have never heard of someone missing a year of professional sports due to migraines whereas many have missed it due to concussion. There is no precise reliable test that makes a diagnosis of migraine and therefore over a year out it is more likely concussion related. In any event I hope he recovers whatever it turns out to be.
- Toadthedry


It's not. He started getting them when he was 12 if I'm not mistaken.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 7 @ 10:53 PM ET
Game over. Was curious how Isles would match up.

Frankly, we should have been eliminated by Montreal. We are not a top 8 club in the NHL.

See ya all sometime in the future. Be safe.

- PT21


It is a fact that the Flyers are a top 8 club in the NHL. Flyers were better than Montreal despite not playing well. You drastically overrated Montreal and miscast it as a tough match-up.

See you tomorrow.
Sir_Robot_Farts
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.27.2020

Sep 7 @ 11:00 PM ET
It is a fact that the Flyers are a top 8 club in the NHL. Flyers were better than Montreal despite not playing well. You drastically overrated Montreal and miscast it as a tough match-up.

See you tomorrow.

- MJL


Who are the top 8 for you?
Sir_Robot_Farts
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.27.2020

Sep 8 @ 12:21 AM ET
16 goals in 7 games vs the islanders.

Tampa 8 goals in 1 game vs the Islanders.

I feel even worse about out future now.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 8 @ 1:50 AM ET
The Flyers scored 16 goals in 7 games against the New York Islanders. The Lightning just scored half as many in a single game.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 8 @ 1:51 AM ET
16 goals in 7 games vs the islanders.

Tampa 8 goals in 1 game vs the Islanders.

I feel even worse about out future now.

- Sir_Robot_Farts

yea we're (frank)ed our players suck
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Sep 8 @ 4:50 AM ET
Sadly, I don't think any Flyer would attempt that shot that McDonagh took. They would have tried another pass.

Its depressing to watch how easy Tampa exits their own zone. Failed clears killed the Flyers more than any other aspect of their game, even the PP.

- MBFlyerfan


It's been the bane of their being going on for years and years. Coaches and players have all changed for how long they've been doing it, and I can't fathom why it persists.

It's most frustrating whenever they're above the faceoff circles and they make a lackadaisical chip shot right to the blue line—and not beyond—to get it out. Too much fear of icing? I'm not saying launch it like a missile, just get it out with authority. But even if they do wind-up icing more often, it's not like they can't afford it, being one of the best faceoff teams in the league.

I've also been disappointed with their fundamental passing skills for years as well. And for a team lacking too many fast skaters, you need good passing to compensate to maintain good puck movement. Especially up-ice passing. Too many times the puck arrives behind the receiving player, meaning the passer too often is focusing where the receiver is rather than where he's going to be. (Tampa has a few fast skaters but they're a much better passing team.)
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Sep 8 @ 4:50 AM ET
Nice to see isles get spanked.
- arichardson22


Eh. I take no pleasure in seeing it happen. Since the team I root for was defeated, I want the cold-comfort of knowing that it only happened against the best opponent. As of now, that's not the case.
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