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I have an issue with this. The rest of Couturier's game leaves something to be desired but Hayes is an all situations player that will be invaluable when they get some better players around him?

Let me make some points.

Both players are all situations players. Hayes is solid all around but he is not a Selke level defender. Couturier is a finalist for the trophy.

This season, both players played 69 games.

Couturier had 22 goals and 37 assists for 59 points
Hayes had 23 goals and 18 assists for 41 points

Couturier's career high for goals is 33, assists is 45 and has twice put up 76 points in a season

Hayes career high in goals is 25, assists 32 and points 49. Hayes has never broken the 50 point barrier in a season.

So both are good defensively but Hayes is not a Selke contender. Edge to Couturier

Clearly Couturier is also the better offensive player.

Couturier is a dominant 2 way #1 NHL center in this league. Hayes is a #2 center.

In closing, your post doesn't make a lot of sense.
- MJL

Sell high on 14 and don’t pay for past performance

So Seattle Expansion Draft. Who do we keep?

Obviously we got:

Hayes
Giroux
Lindblom
Konecny
Couturier
Provorov
Sanheim
Myers

Who do you protect for the last 2 FWD spots?

NoPa
Voracek
Laughton
NAK
JVR

I would think NoPa and Voracek but I hate leaving Laughton unprotected and personally think it would be crazy to leave a 2nd overall pick up for grabs even with the uncertainty of his career.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I would not protect Voracek. His contract most likely protects him. I would protect Laughton and Patrick.

I would not protect Voracek. His contract most likely protects him. I would protect Laughton and Patrick.
- MJL

Laughton is a free Agent

Laughton is a free Agent
- login

You're assuming he won't be re-signed by then.

You're assuming he won't be re-signed by then.
- MJL

Not assuming anything he is a free agent after next year as of right now. So therefore isn’t part of the protect population criteria

Guess your assuming he is signed

Not assuming anything he is a free agent after next year as of right now. So therefore isn’t part of the protect population criteria

Guess your assuming he is signed
- login

Absolutely I'm assuming he will be resigned. Are we not speculating on who will be protected? So therefore, we should also speculate who will be under contract at that time.

Absolutely I'm assuming he will be resigned. Are we not speculating on who will be protected? So therefore, we should also speculate who will be under contract at that time.
- MJL

What type of contract do you think he will get ?

My speculation is players under contract. Not who may be

My speculation is players under contract. Not who may be
- login

That's not speculating.

That's not speculating.

- MJL

No it is a 100% as of right now he is a free agent after next season is it not? So therefor no speculation

So answer he question as to what kind of contract u see him getting so he resigns

Cousin good enough for Vegas!? - 1 lol 😆

I find it wild that Dumba is in the rumor mill. I’m interested, and Fletcher drafted him so...is Minnesota rebuilding or retooling? We have prospects!

Sergachev

They also have a goalie that Toronto could only dream about.
- hereticpride

Well Sergachev costs very little. So, that's not precluded because of their salary concentration.

And you know that you don't need a stud to be in goal to win the cup (look at Chicago), just a solid, reliable, starter should do if the club is strong enough.

Besides, goalies get drafted late like kickers in Football, both extremely important, but rarely picked early. So, Toronto's draft position which is likely to be lower half of each round does not preclude them from picking very good ones in the future.

First of all, congrats on taking a stance. Your claim of going back to ignoring me, lasted less than 2 hours.

More importantly, I'm not sure how what has happened 10-15-20 years has anything to do with now. So you're wasting your time with this. Some scrutiny in your thought process is in order.
Hextall took over as GM and changed the course of the team and how it operates to focus on drafting and development. Many of the current players are a product of that. Obviously they have some more development to do. We also have a new GM who made some immediate changes and the team improved to making it within a game of the conference finals. It's not all doom and gloom.
- MJL

My engagement with you is a work in progress. Experimentation will lead to optimization.

The reason why institutional patterns are important across GMs is because of multiple factors that may cut across them. I give you 3

1. Scouting - good or bad

2. Analytics staff (likewise)

3. The fan base - the one constant, which may not be willing to tolerate the kind of pain that seems increasingly necessary to produce winners.

So Seattle Expansion Draft. Who do we keep?

Obviously we got:

Hayes
Giroux
Lindblom
Konecny
Couturier
Provorov
Sanheim
Myers

Who do you protect for the last 2 FWD spots?

NoPa
Voracek
Laughton
NAK
JVR

I would think NoPa and Voracek but I hate leaving Laughton unprotected and personally think it would be crazy to leave a 2nd overall pick up for grabs even with the uncertainty of his career.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I don’t protect Jake. I would protect Killer and Nopa

No it is a 100% as of right now he is a free agent after next season is it not? So therefor no speculation

So answer he question as to what kind of contract u see him getting so he resigns
- login

Why the hell would you anticipate Laughton not being under contract? He’s a heart and soul glue guy we most certainly will be keeping around.

Hang on one second. You’re posting some pretty interesting stuff but let me stop you right here. The Toronto players you mention are forwards. The Flyers players you mention are defense. A team of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Provorov, Sanheim and Myers are probably in the third round right now. Those names mixed together is a power house.
- SuperSchennBros

Thanks.

What I am saying really boils down to this step by step argument:


1. In comparing the nucleus of Toronto and us, the difference is this: Toronto's core already has elite level talent, more elite than what our D prospects currently are, and more elite than what they are projected to be. Roughly speaking, on forward score, their forward core collectively score probably 9 out of 10. We project to say 8 at best and are currently 6.5.

2. The difference is contract value. We have more money to spread around our core. other good players if we can get rid of Giroux/Voracek/JVR

3. However, looking at the cup winners of this century, most seem to have elite, HOF type talent in several of these categories: scoring forward, defensive forward, #1 D and goalie. It seems more statistically likely that you will win with an unbalanced star studded cast than a deep team with no eilte talent but with more uniform ability.

Ergo, from steps 1-3, Toronto is closer than what where we are.

Jake will either be protected or traded. If you left a player of his stature that has been with the team for however long he has been, wears a letter, and didn’t protect him the relationship would be ruined and he would demand a trade if not picked up in expansion.

Why the hell would you anticipate Laughton not being under contract? He’s a heart and soul glue guy we most certainly will be keeping around.
- ClaudeFather

Why? It’s real simple. He is a free agent after next season. So yes it is totally outrageous to anticipate he won’t be around.

Since “we” will most certainly be keeping him around what type of contrast do you think it will take to keep him here.

Jake will either be protected or traded. If you left a player of his stature that has been with the team for however long he has been, wears a letter, and didn’t protect him the relationship would be ruined and he would demand a trade if not picked up in expansion.
- ClaudeFather

Good f him.

Team needs a few players that aren't non-fast.

Why? It’s real simple. He is a free agent after next season. So yes it is totally outrageous to anticipate he won’t be around.

Since “we” will most certainly be keeping him around what type of contrast do you think it will take to keep him here.
- login

It is outrageous to think he won’t be resigned. I am not a cap guru and have no idea the comparable so my opinion on his contract is irrelevant.

They have all those guys and can’t make the first round. McDavid and Draisaitl are better then every guy on our team, are they better than us? 4 guys don’t make a team, get it though your head.
- ClaudeFather

Think carefully about this distinction before answering please:

Is it necessary to build a team around stars to win the cup? The answer in the past twenty years suggests yes. Most have star players in several of the categories I listed to SchennBro.

Is it sufficient to build a team around stars? Iotw: Does building such a team guarantee victory? No. Example: Edmonton.

In other words, what is the likelihood of building a team around elite stars and winning the SC? Maybe 20%?

What is the likelihood of NOT building a team around stars and winning the cup? Maybe 5%

Thus, the former is 4 times more likely than the latter.

One guy id like to spin the tires on is seguin, always seems to be in the doghouse in Dallas, not sure what it would take

It is outrageous to think he won’t be resigned. I am not a cap guru and have no idea the comparable so my opinion on his contract is irrelevant.
- ClaudeFather

Please help me understand how it is outrageous to think he won’t be around

Your opinion is relevant to me as I want to hear what you think