Whatever we gave up it was too much.
- Angotti

The pick waas Christian Dvorak

The pick waas Christian Dvorak
- riozzo

Dude! I just finished lunch.

You make alot of great points. Personally imo the organization maybe believed that tweaking the team on the fly and a young coach with their remaining core could get them back into the playoffs.


Imo stan and JC need to be fired each for various reasons. Stan while he did manage to balance the teans salary cap to some degree he also decimated all their promising young talent , due to either bad trades or bad signings. After 2010 that was probably his best thought out move as to whom he would let go and resign.

Seabrook and bickell both should have been allowed to walk bickell was always a bottom 6 guy with no upside and seabrook it was simply his age and then the term offered.

Danault, tevo jokihariu , panarin


While I appreciate the 3 cups , I'm not into watching a team that is at best a 12th seeded team with a organization trying to promote toews , keith , kane and crawford as the catalyst to win another cup here in chicago with a head coach that has more losses than wins and a group of so so kids whom are mia more than. Showing up.
- Taylorst1

Just curious, did you just start watching sports? This is a natural life cycle of a championship team, well not winning 3 Cups in 6 years. Every move isn't going to work out, and when you are often the buyer you have to give something up in order to get it, especially with a hard cap.

I sure didn't like the Scuderi trade either but goddam Q couldn't seem to work with Daley

Completely agree Chunk it's always easy for people to criticize once the winning is over, the Denault trade was a major brain fart, but i can appreciate the fact Bowman didn't sit on his hands. I've seen orgs either do nothing or constantly(Cubs/Hendry) not really understand what they needed in order to take the next step. I agree with Wirtz, i let Stan hold the gm stick for a couple more years and see what we have.
- BetweenTheDots

Look at the Kings since Lombardi and Sutter were fired By ownership and Robitaille/Blake took over. Signed Doughty to $11 mil. For 8 years at age 30. 3 coaches in 3 years, traded for and bought out Dion Phaneuf, $8 mil in dead cap space for 4 years. Traded and bought out Kovalchuck, costing $12.5 mil. In cap space over 2 years. Kopitar making $10 mil. For 5 more years, at age 33, still have untradeable contracts in Brown, Carter, and arguably Quick. Traded Darcy Kuempher to Arizona for Tobias Rieder who lasted 20 games with the Kings. I could go on but you get my drift. The grass (or GM) in this case is always greener on the other side.

Just curious, did you just start watching sports? This is a natural life cycle of a championship team, well not winning 3 Cups in 6 years. Every move isn't going to work out, and when you are often the buyer you have to give something up in order to get it, especially with a hard cap.
- BetweenTheDots

We seem to forget the 49 years between cups.

why the Heck would NHL put game 7 Dallas/Avs in the middle of a friday afternoon on a holiday weekend.

BTW, looking at 3-5 inches SNOW here in CO near the AF Academy Tuesday next week (90s this weekend)

why the Heck would NHL put game 7 Dallas/Avs in the middle of a friday afternoon on a holiday weekend.

BTW, looking at 3-5 inches SNOW here in CO near the AF Academy Tuesday next week (90s this weekend)
- glennjpawlak22

All the games are in the same place. Its either too early or too late I guess?

Trade proposal:


Max Domi + Cole Caufield

Alex Debrincat + Dylan Strome

who says yes?
- Slofire94

Easy. Don't hyper ventilate Darth Kane

I would make that trade if I am Chicago

We seem to forget the 49 years between cups.
- LAHawk

How about it, less for me since i wasn't born yet, but yea the years of so close but not good enough.

Easy. Don't hyper ventilate Darth Kane

I would make that trade if I am Chicago
- jhawk59

Saad for poheling and juulsen and 2nd?

You can't have your cake and eat it too. A lot of the moves that were made to keep the team competitive and chasing cups, drained their prospect pool. Would it have made a difference to you if they won a fourth cup?

Playing hindsight GM is always easy. Everyone will agree that Seabrook's contract is atrocious. I think you will get a lot of pushback on whether or not he should have been resigned.

Bickell was never a standout regular season player, but once the playoffs started he was an absolute monster (and aren't we all lamenting the lack of such players now?). His contract was precisely in line with what the market would have paid at the time. He has MS for crying out loud (which would not be diagnosed for another two years after signing the contract).

Neither Stan nor JC will be fired. If my information is correct, both of their contracts run out at the end of this year, so if they are bad, one or both will be gone.

Regardless of what they were trying to promote, if you could not tell that they were in full rebuild the last couple of years, you weren't looking. They've turned over a ton of the roster and are one of the youngest teams in the league. Are they trying to win while rebuilding? Of course they are. That shouldn't confuse the fact that they are bringing in a ton of young new faces who will ultimately be the stars of the team.

No one likes when their team isn't winning, but it happens to everyone. Patience is a virtue and I think we all need more of it because it will be a couple more years before the Hawks are back were we all expect them to be.

I get that the best talent is found at the top of the draft, but it is not the end all. There are as many failures as there are successes. NYR looks like they are set up to be very competitive for a long time. They still have to do it.
- Chunk

Great post. Totally agree that whether the rebuild has been announced, it's been going on for a while...in my mind, ever since they were swept by the Preds and the Panarin and Hammer trades were made.

Also, though I think there were a number of people who lamented having to give up Teuvo in the Bickell trade, there seemed to be just as many who were fine with it because he was a small perimeter player who apparently wasn't committed to the JJ weight adding program.

Great post. Totally agree that whether the rebuild has been announced, it's been going on for a while...in my mind, ever since they were swept ny the Preds and the Panarin and Hammer trades were made.

Also, though I think there were a number of people who lamented having to give up Teuvo in the Bickell trade, there seemed to be just as many who were fine with it because he was a small perimeter player who apparently wasn't committed to the JJ weight adding program.
- HawkintheD

I lamented giving up Teuvo. He was and is a very good player, and is in that group of players that should be here right now helping to bridge the gap between the "core" and the rookies.

I'm happy we have/had a front office that went for it as many times as they did. Like you, I realized after they lost to the Preds that they were pretty much done and it was going to go downhill from there.

Just curious, did you just start watching sports? This is a natural life cycle of a championship team, well not winning 3 Cups in 6 years. Every move isn't going to work out, and when you are often the buyer you have to give something up in order to get it, especially with a hard cap.
- BetweenTheDots

Whenever I read posts like "Yeah, well the 3 Cups are nice but..." or similar verbiage, it drives me nuts.

We're all ravenous for more championships but to me It kind of indicates you just may not really appreciate it.

Great post. Totally agree that whether the rebuild has been announced, it's been going on for a while...in my mind, ever since they were swept by the Preds and the Panarin and Hammer trades were made.

Also, though I think there were a number of people who lamented having to give up Teuvo in the Bickell trade, there seemed to be just as many who were fine with it because he was a small perimeter player who apparently wasn't committed to the JJ weight adding program.
- HawkintheD

Easy. Don't hyper ventilate Darth Kane

I would make that trade if I am Chicago
- jhawk59

Classic case of other teamism. and yes i just made that up.

horrible deal for the hawks.

Saad for poheling and juulsen and 2nd?
- Scott1977

Saad is worth a 1st. Poehling is maybe a bottom 6 energy guy and Juulsen is a bust.
The price for the Habs is 16, Evans/Poehling and a 2nd. The Hawks aren't desperate to move Saad. Aim high.

Saad is worth a 1st. Poehling is maybe a bottom 6 energy guy and Juulsen is a bust.
The price for the Habs is 16, Evans/Poehling and a 2nd. The Hawks aren't desperate to move Saad. Aim high.
- Elbows15

Nor should they be. He may be slightly overpaid but I think most people agree he's along the lines of what the team needs more of, not less.

Saad is worth a 1st. Poehling is maybe a bottom 6 energy guy and Juulsen is a bust.
The price for the Habs is 16, Evans/Poehling and a 2nd. The Hawks aren't desperate to move Saad. Aim high.
- Elbows15

Ok sounds good

Nor should they be. He may be slightly overpaid but I think most people agree he's along the lines of what the team needs more of, not less.
- HawkintheD

Exactly. Any trade involving Saad would have to be an overpay for me to move him.

Whenever I read posts like "Yeah, well the 3 Cups are nice but..." or similar verbiage, it drives me nuts.

We're all ravenous for more championships but to me It kind of indicates you just may not really appreciate it.
- HawkintheD

That's how i feel, it's so hard just to win 1. We were blessed with 3 and the cherry on top for me was 17 seconds, took a while to get my voice back

I love hockey.

The Stars sure leave the slot open a lot for a good defensive team


Also. Does Makar ever come off the ice?

This one isn't going to last long in OT

That's how i feel, it's so hard just to win 1. We were blessed with 3 and the cherry on top for me was 17 seconds, took a while to get my voice back
- BetweenTheDots

Yeah I think that's still my favorite of the three. 2010 was amazing and breaking the drought was like the weight of the world lifted off my Hawk fandom shoulders...can only imagine what it felt like for the Hawks organization.

But 2013, that finish was even crazier because there was more of an exclamation point or bit of finality that accompanied it vs the uncertainty of Kane's Cup winner having to be reviewed.

Beating the Nucks along the way in '10 was satisfying but beating the Wings in '13 and coming back from 3-1 was amazing!