Joe biden and donald trump are BOTH fascists.

The billionaires want us to fight over the crumbs and kill each other in the street.

Unless you are a billionaire you WILL lose on election either way...you’ve been losing for 50 years now.

You are cheering for billionaires. THEY own the government...not you or i.

Horrible HORRIBLE greedy people.
- bruceflyers

I think this is the best post you've ever made.

Not that the standard is very high but still....

I don't see how Joe is fascist.... but we definitely have been losing for years. As much from big corporations and the government. HORRIBLE GREED.

David Poile is not constrained by time or space. He was a young boy running around the Spectrum, even though he was 23 years old.
- Kooleus

In the version of the story I have come across here, this running around was in 1966, which would make Poile 16, not 23 no?

I think this is the best post you've ever made.

Not that the standard is very high but still....

I don't see how Joe is fascist.... but we definitely have been losing for years. As much from big corporations and the government. HORRIBLE GREED.
- Queenie_5_hole

He WROTE the 1994 Crime Bill ya (frank)ing lunk.

He WROTE the 1994 Crime Bill ya (frank)ing lunk.
- SoCalPucks

The bill passed the House and Senate overwhelmingly.

You don't really know what fascism means, do you? That it's definition rules out any role of a parliament?

The bill passed the House and Senate overwhelmingly.

You don't really know what fascism means, do you? That it's definition rules out any role of a parliament?
- PT21

Fascism has two definitions. This tedious argument you're making is disingenuous if not outright ignorance. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris together have sent more black men up the river than a West African slave ship. If you believe black lives matter(which i do) then understand that you couldn't possibly have picked two people with worse records demonstrating it. Some things are worth getting banned for. *wave*

I 100% agree with you just not sure how it goes down. Because of their age and contracts Calgary will have no interest in CG, JV or JVR. Philly does not want to move TK or PM but I think one of them has to be part of the deal from the Flames perspective.
- DEDDIE

Giroux has NMC I dont see him going anywhere. It would have to involve Voracek or JVR and to be honest, I think it would be a bad trade for CGY if they took JVR. I dont see Flyers moving any young players.

Fascism has two definitions. This tedious argument you're making is disingenuous if not outright ignorance. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris together have sent more black men up the river than a West African slave ship. If you believe black lives matter(which i do) then understand that you couldn't possibly have picked two people with worse records demonstrating it. Some things are worth getting banned for. *wave*
- SoCalPucks

Its not tedious at all. Its essential.

Because guys like you have so vitiated debate, by calling Trump supporters Nazis and racists, and utterly mainstream Biden-like politicians fascists, that the spectrum has collapsed into two binary points that cancel each other. There is a +∞ and a -∞, and nothing else in between.

In this world, since NYT is biased to the left and since the degree of bias can only be extreme, it is therefore by definition as biased as Fox is to the right, which must, of course also then be extreme.

Any fool can say whether anything is right or left, and once that is done, they can only take on one value in each direction. And if any fool can determine value, who the (frank) needs institutions to tell us more nuanced pictures?

And who benefits the most from such a vacuum where there are no institutions? Guys who flourish there, such as the orange dude at our helm, who is clearly the most sympathetic to fascism of all leaders the west has had since WW2. I mean, how does it matter that institutions on both the right and the left hold him in low esteem? You have already helped demolish their value.

In other words, your crying wolf so often has brought the wolf to your doorstep. But hey, maybe you two types deserve each other.

To my liberal hockey buddies and LeBron, sorry for you that believe blm lies, do some research on their leaders who are self proclaimed Marxist. But if that is what you believe in, you must hate America. why don't you leave and see that socialism has failed everywhere. PLEASE REMEMBER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TAKING HIS TALENTS BACK TO WASHINGTON FOR FOUR MORE YEARS.

Its not tedious at all. Its essential.

Because guys like you have so vitiated debate, by calling Trump supporters Nazis and racists, and utterly mainstream Biden-like politicians fascists, that the spectrum has collapsed into two binary points that cancel each other. There is a +∞ and a -∞, and nothing else in between.

In this world, since NYT is biased to the left and since the degree of bias can only be extreme, it is therefore by definition as biased as Fox is to the right, which must, of course also then be extreme.

Any fool can say whether anything is right or left, and once that is done, they can only take on one value in each direction. And if any fool can determine value, who the (frank) needs institutions to tell us more nuanced pictures?

And who benefits the most from such a vacuum where there are no institutions? Guys who flourish there, such as the orange dude at our helm, who is clearly the most sympathetic to fascism of all leaders the west has had since WW2. I mean, how does it matter that institutions on both the right and the left hold him in low esteem? You have already helped demolish their value.

In other words, your crying wolf so often has brought the wolf to your doorstep. But hey, maybe you two types deserve each other.
- PT21

I have addressed one very specific point. The claim "I don't see how Joe is fascist.". That point has now been the debunked. Your post is an extrapolation based on facts nowhere to be found in evidence. Your claim that because a bi-partisan group of establishment bureaucrats and politicians, that have been part of this "systemically racist" system for decades, opposing orange man(who has been in office less than 4 years) is somehow evidentiary of his fascism is also absolute tripe for obvious reasons. The rest of the content of your post is irrelevant. We have almost 5 decades of actual policy that we can examine for one of the politicians in this race. Mean tweets aren't fascism. Authoritarian style government legislation that disproportionately target segments of our population is fascism.


From Oxford English Dictionary

Fascism: "extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices."

If the shoe fits.

American politics and politicians are the biggest joke in the world right now. The views and posts from both sides just show what a fracking clown car America is and the clown 🤡 driving it is scarier than the clown from IT

I have addressed one very specific point. The claim "I don't see how Joe is fascist.". That point has now been the debunked. Your post is an extrapolation based on facts nowhere to be found in evidence. Your claim that because a bi-partisan group of establishment bureaucrats and politicians, that have been part of this "systemically racist" system for decades, oppose orange man(who has been in office less than 4 years) is somehow evidentiary of his fascism is also absolute tripe for obvious reasons. The rest of the content of your post is irrelevant. We have almost 5 decades of actual policy that we can examine for one of the politicians in this race. Mean tweets aren't fascism.
- SoCalPucks

The 1994 Crime Bill had a huge amount of political and institutional context to it. By calling it fascism, you are not just obscuring that nuance, you are making it sound dictatorial, which over-inflates the importance of people who write/introduce bills in the process.

You may not like it, you may strongly despise it, and that's your right, but it was an exercise in democracy and it passed every step of that process, including prolonged debate and many amendments and bipartisan support. And I can say that without even debating your central point (that it is a horrible piece of legislation).

And if your understanding is that Trump's flirtation with fascism is confined to his tweets, and play no role in his public distrust and dislike for institutions that are essential to the difference between democracy and dictatorship, and that his overt liking for guys like Balsonaro and Duterte and Putin is incidental, you are not really thinking much about the issue.

Calgary is not getting a top ten pick for 2 years of Gaudreau. That’s why one of those other 2 picks would work. Calgary could turn around and flip it for Matt Murray or whatever.
- bruinzfan77

Gaudreau for Murray as the centrepiece of a deal actually makes a lot of sense. Other pieces would probably need to be involved, but it addresses two teams needs.

We aren't giving away Johnny but I'm interested to see what the sane commenters will suggest.
- IggyOnly

- bixll

Gaudreau for Hoffman would give the Flames a power forward to go alongside Tkachuk and Lucic. On second thought, maybe the Flames don't need any more power forwards and could instead use a sniper that has some speed. I don't know who though? Maybe JVR fits that description?

Gaudreau for Hoffman would give the Flames a power forward to go alongside Tkachuk and Lucic. On second thought, maybe the Flames don't need any more power forwards and could instead use a sniper that has some speed. I don't know who though? Maybe JVR fits that description?
- Kooleus

Isn't Gaudreau a sniper with speed??

To my liberal hockey buddies and LeBron, sorry for you that believe blm lies, do some research on their leaders who are self proclaimed Marxist. But if that is what you believe in, you must hate America. why don't you leave and see that socialism has failed everywhere. PLEASE REMEMBER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TAKING HIS TALENTS BACK TO WASHINGTON FOR FOUR MORE YEARS.
- marleyreap

What talents, avoiding responsibility, being a poop golfer, and spending more time on twitter more than a teenage girl...

Isn't Gaudreau a sniper with speed??
- bixll

Gaudreau is like a hybrid between a sniper and a Hoffman-like power forward. He isn't big but he has powers.

Gostisbehere and a 2nd for Gaudreau.

The 1994 Crime Bill had a huge amount of political and institutional context to it. By calling it fascism, you are not just obscuring that nuance, you are making it sound dictatorial, which over-inflates the importance of people who write/introduce bills in the process.

You may not like it, you may strongly despise it, and that's your right, but it was an exercise in democracy and it passed every step of that process, including prolonged debate and many amendments and bipartisan support. And I can say that without even debating your central point (that it is a horrible piece of legislation).

And if your understanding is that Trump's flirtation with fascism is confined to his tweets, and play no role in his public distrust and dislike for institutions that are essential to the difference between democracy and dictatorship, and that his overt liking for guys like Balsonaro and Duterte and Putin is incidental, you are not really thinking much about the issue.
- PT21

There is nothing nuanced about the results of the 1994 crime bill, which was undeniably written by Joe Biden, and those results are entirely consistent with the definition of fascism I have provided. So I'm not sure why we're talking about "context" when context is irrelevant to the very specific statement I was replying to. Besides...if you could provide a single instance of Trump's "fascism" that exceeds the impact of the 1994 Crime Bill, you'd still only manage to refute a portion of my post. The truth is that citing Trump's "fascism" as the reason you're going to vote for Biden, marks you(collective, not you specifically) as a monumental hypocrite. Trump has some "fascistic" tendencies...sure. So did Obama. But somehow I'm "vitiating debate" for rebutting a very specific point, while you relegating me to the very binary spectrum of absolutes you claim I'm somehow representative of, is not. All without a hint of irony or self-awareness. Mmmmmmk. Fun discussion though. I do feel like we're pushing our luck here.

I thought I was on a hockey sports talk site, not an American political propaganda site.

Can you go away so we can stick to hockey? Or do you have to bring your war into everything. Man you guys are terrible. You just ruin everything.