(frank) I am jealous.
- Victoro311

I didnt know anything about them before I found out they were opening. They put off a crazy show haha...but...not near as insane as the Peppers. It was the Stadium Arcadium tour, so it was with Frusciante and they played all their material wrote with him, which is by far their best stuff.

I'm torn about it. I always love Playoff hockey, but I also want the offseason to happen. So we can see what else JR has up his sleeves
- 123Kid

hahaha I hear ya. We went so long without hockey I'm totally fine with watching stress free game 7's in September right now. It'll be a quick and dirty offseason haha....if there is a next season...which there's a possibility there is not, so even more reason to just soak in some actual hockey watching now too.

He is someone I see testing the free agent market. He is a great 2nd pairing guy. Idk how I would feel about him signing a big deal here since I do see him as a better 2nd pairing guy. I wouldn't be upset though. I would assume JR would have a bigger plan especially with a cap hit like that coming in. He would be moving a few players out.
- 123Kid

It's a tough one. I think he is still a top pair guy, only question is how long he will be at that level. Would love for the Pens to go after him but I think other teams have more money and more need.

If I'm Detroit I'm offering him 7/$52.5M to start the transition toward winning. He is from the area so it would be a homecoming of sorts. Montreal also has cap space and huge need.

Interesting seeing the prevalence of backup goalies taking over and winning games in the playoffs so far. Demko in Vancouver, Hutchinson, Khudobin....

While I'm fully on board with trading one of our goalies, I think we need to do better than DeSmith as a backup. Not that he is bad, but I wouldn't have a lot of confidence in a Jarry-DeSmith combo carrying the condensed schedule.

He is someone I see testing the free agent market. He is a great 2nd pairing guy. Idk how I would feel about him signing a big deal here since I do see him as a better 2nd pairing guy. I wouldn't be upset though. I would assume JR would have a bigger plan especially with a cap hit like that coming in. He would be moving a few players out.
- 123Kid

What's funny to me is it seems like several of the people who want Krug want to get rid of Letang or Pettersson because of their defensive mistakes, but Krug does the same things. But like those guys, he drives play in the right direction.

I agree with you he's more of a good #3 than a #1. I think our top 4 is fine so I don't see a need to add another big contract with our limited cap space, but I don't really hate the idea either.

Interesting seeing the prevalence of backup goalies taking over and winning games in the playoffs so far. Demko in Vancouver, Hutchinson, Khudobin....

While I'm fully on board with trading one of our goalies, I think we need to do better than DeSmith as a backup. Not that he is bad, but I wouldn't have a lot of confidence in a Jarry-DeSmith combo carrying the condensed schedule.
- MacPatty

What's funny to me is it seems like several of the people who want Krug want to get rid of Letang or Pettersson because of their defensive mistakes, but Krug does the same things. But like those guys, he drives play in the right direction.

I agree with you he's more of a good #3 than a #1. I think our top 4 is fine so I don't see a need to add another big contract with our limited cap space, but I don't really hate the idea either.
- Tojo.

I think people see Letang as a chip that can bring back some value. It never works this way but I dont blame anyone for wishing we could trade Letang for a pile of assets and sign a comparable replacement for a similar cap hit. It won't happen but it would be the short cut to improving the roster.

What's funny to me is it seems like several of the people who want Krug want to get rid of Letang or Pettersson because of their defensive mistakes, but Krug does the same things. But like those guys, he drives play in the right direction.

I agree with you he's more of a good #3 than a #1. I think our top 4 is fine so I don't see a need to add another big contract with our limited cap space, but I don't really hate the idea either.
- Tojo.

Spot on lol

My guess is they just don’t see their mistakes because they aren’t watching every Bruins game like they watch every Pens game.

Spot on lol

My guess is they just don’t see their mistakes because they aren’t watching every Bruins game like they watch every Pens game.
- j.boyd919

People don't understand that high event players take high event risks and it backfires sometimes.

I think people see Letang as a chip that can bring back some value. It never works this way but I dont blame anyone for wishing we could trade Letang for a pile of assets and sign a comparable replacement for a similar cap hit. It won't happen but it would be the short cut to improving the roster.
- MacPatty

I have sat back and pondered about what we could trade Letang for myself. I get the thought of trading him for an upgrade. Trust me the Petry Domi deal, I would definitely do. I do think our top 6 forwards and top 4 D are set. I think the Bluegar line is a solid shutdown line. I also believe we need an upgrade on the 3rd line and bottom pairing D.

I think the 3rd line with Simon - McCann -Hornqvist could be solid. I also think our 3rd pairing D could potentially be improved from within. POJ is potentially ready to move up into a role. Maniscalco potentially could as well. So maybe a 3rd pairing veteran D we can sign for the right side and our line up would be pretty solid.

I think the holes that we have to fill aren't worth moving Letang unless it is for a new identity or an over payment (Domi and Petry). It is fun to think about the possibilities; however the plausibility is low.

People don't understand that high event players take high event risks and it backfires sometimes.
- Rinosaur

More so on this a lot of people are what have you done for me lately and in that most recent playoff sample all of his risks basically backfired and none paid off.

I want to keep Letang...but I have hard time saying the Pens aren't better with Domi/Petry instead...that's a tough one for me to be definite about.

I have sat back and pondered about what we could trade Letang for myself. I get the thought of trading him for an upgrade. Trust me the Petry Domi deal, I would definitely do. I do think our top 6 forwards and top 4 D are set. I think the Bluegar line is a solid shutdown line. I also believe we need an upgrade on the 3rd line and bottom pairing D.

I think the 3rd line with Simon - McCann -Hornqvist could be solid. I also think our 3rd pairing D could potentially be improved from within. POJ is potentially ready to move up into a role. Maniscalco potentially could as well. So maybe a 3rd pairing veteran D we can sign for the right side and our line up would be pretty solid.

I think the holes that we have to fill aren't worth moving Letang unless it is for a new identity or an over payment (Domi and Petry). It is fun to think about the possibilities; however the plausibility is low.
- 123Kid

That 3rd line wouldn’t score a ton. That would be the problem. Top 6 would have to do the heavy lifting.

What's funny to me is it seems like several of the people who want Krug want to get rid of Letang or Pettersson because of their defensive mistakes, but Krug does the same things. But like those guys, he drives play in the right direction.

I agree with you he's more of a good #3 than a #1. I think our top 4 is fine so I don't see a need to add another big contract with our limited cap space, but I don't really hate the idea either.
- Tojo.

For the record, when I suggested moving Petts to make room for Krug was not because I don't like Petts. I just think Krug is a major upgrade. I'm happy with the job Pettersson does.

The idea of Krug/Letang and Dumo/Marino or Dumo/Letang and Krug/Marino just sounds incredible to me.

That 3rd line wouldn’t score a ton. That would be the problem. Top 6 would have to do the heavy lifting.
- j.boyd919

That’s the issue. If we’re doing the 4th line like we are (and I’m not saying we shouldn’t, I like them), we need an offensively oriented 3rd line that we give a bunch of soft deployment to that feasts on other teams’ bottom sixes. Simon-McCann-Hornqvist isn’t gonna cut it and I don’t see McCann-Bjugstad-Hornqvist cutting it any better. Sid and Geno are too old (and too permanently injured apparently) to do all the scoring while we roll out two shut down lines in the bottom 6.

I am late to this discussion but I don't think the Leafs could/would give us much of value in a Murray trade. Their defense is bad (worse than ours, in my opinion) and the Pens don't really need any more forwards. The only thing of much value they could give the Pens is to take a JJ salary dump (aside from a high draft pick, which Rutherford seems allergic to), but I am not sure that they can really afford that anyway.

Whoever takes Murray has to view it as a risky "reclamation" project. He obviously has the potential to be very good but there is no guarantee that he can get back to that level of play. He also has yet to play an entire regular season and playoffs, healthy and with a consistently high level of play.

For the record, when I suggested moving Petts to make room for Krug was not because I don't like Petts. I just think Krug is a major upgrade. I'm happy with the job Pettersson does.

The idea of Krug/Letang and Dumo/Marino or Dumo/Letang and Krug/Marino just sounds incredible to me.
- Rinosaur

Agree completely. Petts is solid but upgrade if you can. I dont think Krug is realistic but I wonder about Brodin.

Would Guerin be interested in Murray and Petts for Brodin and Staal? Pens getting the better players but both would be rentals and Guerin would get two good, cost controlled players.

People don't understand that high event players take high event risks and it backfires sometimes.
- Rinosaur

You mean like in the playoffs in a scoreless game in the third and the Pens goalie is going to the corner to get his stick and instead of #58 holding onto the puck for him to get it, he'd rather make a high risk pass, get it picked off and the goalie has to stop and go back. Those types of high risks?

I am late to this discussion but I don't think the Leafs could/would give us much of value in a Murray trade. Their defense is bad (worse than ours, in my opinion) and the Pens don't really need any more forwards. The only thing of much value they could give the Pens is to take a JJ salary dump (aside from a high draft pick, which Rutherford seems allergic to), but I am not sure that they can really afford that anyway.

Whoever takes Murray has to view it as a risky "reclamation" project. He obviously has the potential to be very good but there is no guarantee that he can get back to that level of play. He also has yet to play an entire regular season and playoffs, healthy and with a consistently high level of play.
- PghPens668771

I disagree that Murray is a reclamation project. He will be a great fit for a backpressure defence. The Pens just run and gun and play incredibly loose. Put him on the Isles and he will win the Vezina. Carolina would be his best fit of the teams that are interested.

I disagree that Murray is a reclamation project. He will be a great fit for a backpressure defence. The Pens just run and gun and play incredibly loose. Put him on the Isles and he will win the Vezina. Carolina would be his best fit of the teams that are interested.
- MacPatty

@BINGO: what’s the valuation of Morgan Geekie in Canes land?

@BINGO: what’s the valuation of Morgan Geekie in Canes land?
- Victoro311

they love him.

His skating isn't so great, but I think they see him battling it out with Jack Drury as a long term 3C option.

Decent size, parks his ass in front of the net and has good hands. Speed is going to hold him back but they love him.

they love him.

His skating isn't so great, but I think they see him battling it out with Jack Drury as a long term 3C option.

Decent size, parks his ass in front of the net and has good hands. Speed is going to hold him back but they love him.
- BINGO!

So basically what you're saying is Murray for him straight up would be fair?

Jk

they love him.

His skating isn't so great, but I think they see him battling it out with Jack Drury as a long term 3C option.

Decent size, parks his ass in front of the net and has good hands. Speed is going to hold him back but they love him.
- BINGO!

Lol so no shot of getting him for Murray. Good to know.

Hope JR can find something under the radar like that. A guy who’s young and cheap but not super highly touted that’s actually obtainable and almost a sure fire thing at 3C.

Anyone know what TIOPS is saying on a Matt Murray trade? Sometimes they get good information.
- 123Kid

Its Risto in the picture so I hope (frank)ing not.

Anyone know what TIOPS is saying on a Matt Murray trade? Sometimes they get good information.
- 123Kid

When the (frank) has TIOPS ever had good information? That website is a joke when it comes to relevant Penguins info.

I don’t know who Chad DeDominics is but he’s saying there’s chatter between us and the Sabres for Murray and McCann.