I'd say..."you want Murray? You either take JJ with him or we take our first back." Phone clicks!
- 668710

Don’t forget about getting hallander with that 1st too haha

Yea Vellucci will want POJ in over JJ, and that is the biggest, best (frank)ing thing that can happen.
- 668710

Velluci will be coaching forwards and pk, so he will get a good dose of jj on the pk and hopefully him and Reirden will not want him around

So, if STL got rid of Allen to make room to re-sign Pietrangelo, I'm assuming that Bozak and his $5M cap hit might be available. Not that I want him, but I'm guessing he would come cheap. Another scenario would be one in which Sundqvist comes back to the Pens, but he's only making $2.75M, so that doesn't help them as much. Also, he wasn't one of JR's picks so he probably doesn't care about him.
- Hockey66

I know your thoughts on 3c and agree with that so I don’t think sundquist would really move the needle for me unless they sweetened the deal. Anyone else on your radar for 3c? I haven’t really looked much this last week at possibilities.

Anderson is in the last year and coming off his worse season in a few. He wasn't bad, just not as good as previous years, at least if you use stats like GSAA that account for how bad Toronto has been defensively. But they may not want to commit to him and are rumored to at least be considering replacing him now since there are so many goalies available.

LeBrun is not the only one who's connected them to Murray thinking they'd want a younger goalie.
- Tojo.

Yeah, I had heard that he was on the way out, but just the way it was worded didn't make sense. Moving him could take all off-season or longer, so I don't blame JR for pulling the trigger when he did.

Yeah, I had heard that he was on the way out, but just the way it was worded didn't make sense. Moving him could take all off-season or longer, so I don't blame JR for pulling the trigger when he did.
- Hockey66

One rumor I had heard was Anderson to Carolina for some D help. With Murray being the backfill in Toronto.

I would totally believe JR has a standing deal with Toronto contingent on Toronto moving Anderson and the Pens not getting a better offer for Murray. JR seems extremely confident in his hand when on the outside it seems risky to hold on to a goalie too long in a saturated market.

I know your thoughts on 3c and agree with that so I don’t think sundquist would really move the needle for me unless they sweetened the deal. Anyone else on your radar for 3c? I haven’t really looked much this last week at possibilities.
- 10inchTerror

Yeah, I was thinking Sundqvist at 4C and then Blueger at 3C with McCann at LW, which would be a decent fall-back plan. I was just looking at STL centers due to them needing to shed more salary if they are thinking about re-signing Pietrangelo. For a second I thought that Sundqvist was a JR pick so that would have upped the likelihood, but he wasn't.

I haven't really looked much, but FA true centers are thin and there are very few teams with too many or expendable centers. MTL is one of them but I have tempered my desire to trade for Domi. Something tells me that it will be separate deals for Murray and a 3C. Kerfoot would be decent but nothing special. A lot of his points in COL were on the PP which I don't know that he would get on the Pens.

He's gonna trade the rights for Murray for permission to talk to Ceci early obviously...

Andersen has been far more consistent than Murray for the last 3 years. That dude has made a F ton of saves. I'm pretty sure the Leafs are one of the highest shots against teams in that time span. Even in Andersens down year this year he was pretty much in line with Murray's stats. Slightly better in some.

He's gonna trade the rights for Murray for permission to talk to Ceci early obviously...
- MattStrat

Lol

Andersen has been far more consistent than Murray for the last 3 years. That dude has made a F ton of saves. I'm pretty sure the Leafs are one of the highest shots against teams in that time span. Even in Andersens down year this year he was pretty much in line with Murray's stats. Slightly better in some.
- MattStrat

Yeah it strikes me as an odd move from Andersen to Murray for an analytics guy unless they think they see something they can correct (I think they have a good goalie coach?). If it was an Eklund rumor I'd just laugh, but LeBrun is very respected as an insider.

Andersen has been far more consistent than Murray for the last 3 years. That dude has made a F ton of saves. I'm pretty sure the Leafs are one of the highest shots against teams in that time span. Even in Andersens down year this year he was pretty much in line with Murray's stats. Slightly better in some.
- MattStrat

This is my thinking as well. I don't know if Andersen has been made the scapegoat for Toronto's problems, but replacing Andersen with Murray sounds like a fool's errand. The only caveat is that Murray is young with Cup-winning experience, so maybe a GM like Dubas puts a lot of weight into that (and maybe he or some other GM thinks this is a change-of-scenery scenario, too). Hopefully JR is able to leverage this if that's the case.

I know your thoughts on 3c and agree with that so I don’t think sundquist would really move the needle for me unless they sweetened the deal. Anyone else on your radar for 3c? I haven’t really looked much this last week at possibilities.
- 10inchTerror

Oh, I almost forgot, Eric Staal. I've been wanting him since Bonino left. The time might be right for MIN and they might want Murray.

Yeah it strikes me as an odd move from Andersen to Murray for an analytics guy unless they think they see something they can correct (I think they have a good goalie coach?). If it was an Eklund rumor I'd just laugh, but LeBrun is very respected as an insider.
- Tojo.

Maybe they spoke to Anderson about his next contract and he wants too much.

Oh, I almost forgot, Eric Staal. I've been wanting him since Bonino left. The time might be right for MIN and they might want Murray.
- Hockey66

Could work. Obviously another person in decline so you don’t know when that’s gonna be too much but he’s still putting up 20/40 and healthy. Great hockey iq.

MacKinnon's slowish start to his career gave the Avs great value. That might be the best contract that's not an ELC.

This is my thinking as well. I don't know if Andersen has been made the scapegoat for Toronto's problems, but replacing Andersen with Murray sounds like a fool's errand. The only caveat is that Murray is young with Cup-winning experience, so maybe a GM like Dubas puts a lot of weight into that (and maybe he or some other GM thinks this is a change-of-scenery scenario, too). Hopefully JR is able to leverage this if that's the case.
- Hockey66

Of roster players... Only a few toronto players make any sense in a murray deal.

Kerfoot
Hyman
Barrie

Maybe they spoke to Anderson about his next contract and he wants too much.
- 10inchTerror

That could be. They are a young team so their outlook is probably long-term. Tavares seems like he's been around forever, but he's just 29 (about to turn 30). Muzzin is their oldest player but he's only 31 and is 1.5 years older than the next-oldest which is Tavares.

Of roster players... Only a few toronto players make any sense in a murray deal.

Kerfoot
Hyman
Barrie
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If the Pens could swap Murray for Hyman it would be a huge win IMO. Him as the 3rd line LW would be great.

Of roster players... Only a few toronto players make any sense in a murray deal.

Kerfoot
Hyman
Barrie
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Agree about Kerfoot. For some reason I thought Hyman was more of a point producer. He's still a good value at just $2.25M for the upcoming season. I think he would be a great addition, especially if we trade McCann. Barrie is a pending UFA so it would just be the negotiating rights, and since he plays RD, I don't know where he would play on the Pens unless we bumped Marino down to 3RD. Also, Barrie was making $5.5M, so it seems like it would be too much in one area (RD) at the expense of other areas.

That could be. They are a young team so their outlook is probably long-term. Tavares seems like he's been around forever, but he's just 29 (about to turn 30). Muzzin is their oldest player but he's only 31 and is 1.5 years older than the next-oldest which is Tavares.
- Hockey66

Hey don't give up now, that's 29.5 for Tavares lol

Rumor has it JR has multiple offers currently on the table for one of our goalies, but he still doesn't feel it is enough to make a deal. He is looking for a big offer, but i have a feeling the price will keep going up if there is a bidding war.

I was just looking at Torontos retained salary players, they had Lehner?

I was just looking at Torontos retained salary players, they had Lehner?
- 668710

They were just a go-between in a trade by Chicago and Vegas I think so Vegas could remain under the cap. I think Toronto picked up a 5th by retaining $1.1M.

Rumor has it JR has multiple offers currently on the table for one of our goalies, but he still doesn't feel it is enough to make a deal. He is looking for a big offer, but i have a feeling the price will keep going up if there is a bidding war.
- 123Kid

Interesting. So he does have patience. Anyway, thanks for all of the rumors and please keep them coming.

Agree about Kerfoot. For some reason I thought Hyman was more of a point producer. He's still a good value at just $2.25M for the upcoming season. I think he would be a great addition, especially if we trade McCann. Barrie is a pending UFA so it would just be the negotiating rights, and since he plays RD, I don't know where he would play on the Pens unless we bumped Marino down to 3RD. Also, Barrie was making $5.5M, so it seems like it would be too much in one area (RD) at the expense of other areas.
- Hockey66

Good point. Forgot Barrie was a UFA. Was thinking he had one year left.

Kerfoot would be a decent 3C. I'm just afraid he would make minimal impact. I'd almost rather go with Hyman even though LW isnt a real need.

Calgary and Edmonton ...and even Carolina seem like better matches for a Murray deal. I'd take a shot at a guy like Warren Foegele. Not an impact player, per say, but he can fly and he's popped out to me in every canes game I've watched. If the Pens want to get back to a being a speedy/buzzsaw type of team... He'd fit the bill.

Some interesting names, especially if we add more from our side.