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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
can find a reliable backup for less than what allen makes. Blues were in a crunch and got great value back.
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They also have to sign though, they got their guy and are stocked with picks in this draft. It’s a good trade for Montreal
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 1:49 PM ET
Lindblom, before his diagnosis, was a top-6 forward. Frost was a call up who looked lost after 2 games.
- jmatchett383


Not debating Lindblom being the far superior player at this point, he hasn't played in 9 months and he's what 2 months post cancer treatments? Physically I wouldn't want him playing yet. The pace of the playoffs, and the physical nature of this series without having any games under your belt is an unfair ask.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:49 PM ET
Very slow foot speed to begin with, jumping into playoff hockey after an 8 month layoff would be a horrible decision to put him in at this point. Would love to know when we are allowed to take the training wheels off Frost
- ClaudeFather


If the other options are a warm body in Bunnamann and a 20-year old with like 10 total games...

It's not ideal, and I've not said they SHOULD do it. It should be an option.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Sep 2 @ 1:51 PM ET
Allow me........... https://www.tsn.ca/trade-...ne-on-the-board-1.1517697

The headline is deceptive to our purposes, read down a bit.

- Pompous

How is jvr number 2. Is that what you referred to.

With that board. What about a d for d swap. Give oilers ghost for Larson or ghost plus for Dunn
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:51 PM ET
coaches choice. One can be more ready at the time. Variety of reasons. Point is hagg is very replaceable. You give friedman or whoever a shot. Then if cant handle it you make a move for someone who can. Hagg just doesn't move the needle in any way for me.
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Isn't not moving the needle exactly what you want from a 6/7D?

Legit asking.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:52 PM ET
You tell me. You are the king of sarcasm here.
- PT21


I am,aren't I?

It just seemed a bit absurd was all, to play a guy at a completely new position during an elimination game.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 2 @ 1:56 PM ET
I am,aren't I?

It just seemed a bit absurd was all, to play a guy at a completely new position during an elimination game.

- jmatchett383


I was joking. Multiple absurd birds moved with one stone.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Sep 2 @ 1:57 PM ET
They also have to sign though, they got their guy and are stocked with picks in this draft. It’s a good trade for Montreal
- ClaudeFather

great trade for the blues. 4.5 for a backup isnt smart money managment.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Sep 2 @ 1:58 PM ET
I am,aren't I?

It just seemed a bit absurd was all, to play a guy at a completely new position during an elimination game.

- jmatchett383

But big buff and burns can do it. Lol.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 2 @ 1:58 PM ET
By far the best option.
- PLindbergh31


I am sure he is injured.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Sep 2 @ 1:58 PM ET
Isn't not moving the needle exactly what you want from a 6/7D?

Legit asking.

- jmatchett383

In a way yes. I get what your saying. Should rephrase and just say I think you can upgrade that spot for what your paying him. To me he is just a body
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:58 PM ET
great trade for the blues. 4.5 for a backup isnt smart money managment.
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Agreed, that's a lot for a backup, especially for one like Allen who's gone backwards.

Also helps the Blues free up space for Pietrangelo.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Sep 2 @ 2:01 PM ET
Agreed, that's a lot for a backup, especially for one like Allen who's gone backwards.
- jmatchett383

I like allen actually and he had a nice year. Though seems odd for Montreal. maybe Price hurt and not saying yet!!!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:02 PM ET
I am sure he is injured.
- PT21


Raffl skated yesterday. That is a decent sign at least. Couturier played in the playoffs with a brace against the Penguins. He had a sprained MCL (same thing as a tear). If he doesn't play tomorrow it's likely he has a torn ACL and he will be out a good portion of next season which will be a crippling blow.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:05 PM ET
Raffl skated yesterday. That is a decent sign at least. Couturier played in the playoffs with a brace against the Penguins. He had a sprained MCL (same thing as a tear). If he doesn't play tomorrow it's likely he has a torn ACL and he will be out a good portion of next season which will be a crippling blow.
- PLindbergh31


Raffl would be much first choice and I would like him to come in even if #14 plays. Isles get last change tomorrow. They will roll the Barzal lane against Grant/Nate's. I would prefer Raffl on that line instead of NAK. I might even prefer him over Grant, given how the latter is playing.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Sep 2 @ 2:05 PM ET
Raffl skated yesterday. That is a decent sign at least. Couturier played in the playoffs with a brace against the Penguins. He had a sprained MCL (same thing as a tear). If he doesn't play tomorrow it's likely he has a torn ACL and he will be out a good portion of next season which will be a crippling blow.
- PLindbergh31



This is totally Plind thinking about the possibility of Couturier being out with a major injury because it will give him so many ways to blame the Flyers for that injury.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:08 PM ET
This is totally Plind thinking about the possibility of Couturier being out with a major injury because it will give him so many ways to blame the Flyers for that injury.


- opeth_pa


I don't get it. I moved on from cartoons around the same time I stopped playing video games.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Sep 2 @ 2:08 PM ET
Allow me........... https://www.tsn.ca/trade-...ne-on-the-board-1.1517697

The headline is deceptive to our purposes, read down a bit.

- Pompous


Killorn wouldn’t be a bad add. I mentioned him last year since Tampa seemed to be in cap trouble. But they worked it out
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:09 PM ET
Raffl would be much first choice and I would like him to come in even if #14 plays. Isles get last change tomorrow. They will roll the Barzal lane against Grant/Nate's. I would prefer Raffl on that line instead of NAK. I might even prefer him over Grant, given how the latter is playing.
- PT21


Of course Raffl should be playing over Grant and Thompson. Those guys aren't getting scratched regardless. They both have played every game in the bubble.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:13 PM ET
Raffl skated yesterday. That is a decent sign at least. Couturier played in the playoffs with a brace against the Penguins. He had a sprained MCL (same thing as a tear). If he doesn't play tomorrow it's likely he has a torn ACL and he will be out a good portion of next season which will be a crippling blow.
- PLindbergh31


I am trying to read the tea leaves at face value: if AV says he is "still being evaluated" instead of just saying no news etc., AND if this is correct and not strategic, then for sure it is not a torn ACL. It will not take that long to determine. If he is still being evaluated then they are trying to determine whether he could worsen it while playing with a brace or can play at all.
Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Sep 2 @ 2:15 PM ET
We can win three straight. Going waaaay back... In 1975 the 51 win Flyers were heavy favorites over the Islanders in the semi-final. The Flyers thought they were on their way to a sweep until the Islanders won 3 straight. Thank god game 7 was home. We were sweating bullets. Especially because the Isles came back from 3 down to beat the Pens. I was at the game and we were nervous and I remember we scored early. Everything else is a blank. Two more wins is certainly possible even without Coots but then there's Tampa. Forget it.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:16 PM ET
I am trying to read the tea leaves at face value: if AV says he is "still being evaluated" instead of just saying no news etc., AND if this is correct and not strategic, then for sure it is not a torn ACL. It will not take that long to determine. If he is still being evaluated then they are trying to determine whether he could worsen it while playing with a brace or can play at all.
- PT21


IMO, Vigneault knows the deal with the injury, and he's just not making it public. He hasn't been forthcoming with any injuries the entire time during the playoff bubble.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 2 @ 2:18 PM ET
We can win three straight. Going waaaay back... In 1975 the 51 win Flyers were heavy favorites over the Islanders in the semi-final. The Flyers thought they were on their way to a sweep until the Islanders won 3 straight. Thank god game 7 was home. We were sweating bullets. Especially because the Isles came back from 3 down to beat the Pens. I was at the game and we were nervous and I remember we scored early. Everything else is a blank. Two more wins is certainly possible even without Coots but then there's Tampa. Forget it.
- Gogol


I agree. As for Tampa, if you get to a conference final or the Cup Final, you're usually going to be up against a very tough opponent (every once in awhile, such as 2010 ECF, you catch a lesser team that made an unexpected run but that's not the norm).
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:20 PM ET
IMO, Vigneault knows the deal with the injury, and he's just not making it public. He hasn't been forthcoming with any injuries the entire time during the playoff bubble.
- PLindbergh31


Of course he knows. But he has never used that phrase "being evaluated" before. Its a 75% chance he is trying to affect Trotz game planning, but 25% chance this is indeed true. Except that the evaluation is not for the nature of injury but whether he can play with it.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 2:28 PM ET
Of course he knows. But he has never used that phrase "being evaluated" before. Its a 75% chance he is trying to affect Trotz game planning, but 25% chance this is indeed true. Except that the evaluation is not for the nature of injury but whether he can play with it.
- PT21


"Being evaluated" simply is a way to cut off media questions about it. Once he makes that statement, it ends the discussion. You won't know for certain if Couturier is playing tomorrow until the team takes the ice for warmups.
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