Nasty_Duck
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Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012
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Yes, because McDavid isnt playing.
- Fakepartofme
It's a team sport.
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Blackstrom2
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Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010
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MacKinnon is very good, but not in as obvious way as McDavid's pure skill and speed. |
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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins |
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Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012
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Maybe more like Messier vs Gretzky?
- PT21
Can't believe anyone would ever have picked Messier over Gretzky in their primes.
The Mario vs Wayne was a better comparison.
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VonDouche
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Location: Whitehall, MI
Joined: 06.26.2014
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McDeuces had 9 pts in 4 games. And it's safe to say he would have 30 if he was still in the playoffs. So that's a resounding no. |
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Archaic
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Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011
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Absolutely. If you only watch highlights, they may be even. Watch them every shift. MacKinnon brings it every single shift. McDavid waits for openings. MacKinnon either makes openings or forces his way right through obstacles. You want to win a skills competition, you draft McDavid. You want to win a game, you draft MacKinnon.
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mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015
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Can't believe anyone would ever have picked Messier over Gretzky in their primes.
The Mario vs Wayne was a better comparison.
- Nasty_Duck
Messier did Captain two teams to Cup victories without Gretz - and one of them was on a completely different team. Something Wayne was never able to do without Messier.  |
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mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015
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It also takes more than PP scoring, and ES scoring is where MacKinnon has straight-up outproduced McDavid this year - in both the regular season and playoffs. I'm certainly not suggesting McDavid isn't exceptional, and to each their own... but if I'm in a must-win playoff situation right now on Sept. 1, 2020, I'd rather have MacKinnon in my lineup.
- khawk
Not nearly by enough to make a useful argument.
You are allowed your incorrect, contrarian opinion though.  |
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Not nearly by enough to make a useful argument.
You are allowed your incorrect, contrarian opinion though.
- mjones242
Yeah, it's funny how there's also more to hockey than scoring points. Guess that's news in these parts. I wasn't aware of the HB group-think policy on believing someone might actually be momentarily playing better than McDavid, while in the midst of a career-best playoff run. |
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mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015
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Yeah, it's funny how there's also more to hockey than scoring points. Guess that's news in these parts.
- khawk
No way! It's all about ES points, dude! |
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No way! It's all about ES points, dude!
- mjones242
How about winning more than 1 playoff game, against a team that should never have seen the post-season light of day? Forgive me for finding it slightly harder than most to make a strong case for the captain of a team that just face-planted worse than the Maple Leafs, compared to a guy who's actually playing at the top of his game and could very well win the Hart Trophy this year. |
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It's really tough to judge, because they're so close in talent level, but I give a very slight edge to McDavid. The main reason is McDavid only has Draisaitl, and MacKinnon has a complete, dominant line with Landeskog and Rantanen. |
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Hunkulese
Calgary Flames |
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Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006
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Can't believe anyone would ever have picked Messier over Gretzky in their primes.
- Nasty_Duck
Hey, good job. You figured out the point he was trying to make.
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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008
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Can't believe anyone would ever have picked Messier over Gretzky in their primes.
The Mario vs Wayne was a better comparison.
- Nasty_Duck
No, I meant no one should pick Mac over Mc either. I don't see the former belonging to the transcendent realm of the other 3, and that is no knock on him.
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Take MacKinnon over McMuffin any day !! He’s way better all round player ! Read that all around not point wise ! And if being the best only means points yes McMuffin is better but I never seen a team win because of one player EVER !! And no the oilers did not win because of Gretzky they won because of the players around him !! |
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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins |
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Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012
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Messier did Captain two teams to Cup victories without Gretz - and one of them was on a completely different team. Something Wayne was never able to do without Messier.
- mjones242
OK.
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No way...the best two players in the league are Matthews and Tavares. We all know that. |
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Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011
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No way...the best two players in the league are Matthews and Tavares. We all know that.
- ThundernLightning
I thought the argument was always McDavid vs. Jeff Skinner?
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I thought the argument was always McDavid vs. Jeff Skinner?
- Archaic
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
McDavid
Nylander
McKinnon
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BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes |
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Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009
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McDavid: 1.34 points per game, .46 goals per game.
MacKinnon: 0.943 points per game, .36 goals per game.
It's really not that close.
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eichiefs9
New York Islanders |
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Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008
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McDavid: 1.34 points per game, .46 goals per game.
MacKinnon: 0.943 points per game, .36 goals per game.
It's really not that close.
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How's their grit tho |
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GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Joined: 01.26.2018
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How about winning more than 1 playoff game, against a team that should never have seen the post-season light of day? Forgive me for finding it slightly harder than most to make a strong case for the captain of a team that just face-planted worse than the Maple Leafs, compared to a guy who's actually playing at the top of his game and could very well win the Hart Trophy this year.
- khawk Puy McDavid on Colorado and see what he does in the playoffs. Your argument is wrong.
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GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018
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Take MacKinnon over McMuffin any day !! He’s way better all round player ! Read that all around not point wise ! And if being the best only means points yes McMuffin is better but I never seen a team win because of one player EVER !! And no the oilers did not win because of Gretzky they won because of the players around him !!
- Hockeyfan4life14 Yes, look at all the Selke consideration MacKinnon gets. Maybe a jealous flamer douche bag fan?
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JonnyGar
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Location: Sussex, NJ
Joined: 08.13.2016
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To me it isn't about who is better, its about who makes everyone around them better.
Hockey is a team Sport, the Better player will lift the team and help guide them and not try and carry the team. There is a difference. Who leads with Assists? |
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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins |
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Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012
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Take MacKinnon over McMuffin any day !! He’s way better all round player ! Read that all around not point wise ! And if being the best only means points yes McMuffin is better but I never seen a team win because of one player EVER !! And no the oilers did not win because of Gretzky they won because of the players around him !!
- Hockeyfan4life14
It's a Team game yes and 1 player does not win the Cup - this is not basketball.
But if you don't think Gretz made all the players around him better and was the largest contributing factor then...
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sodapop31
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: IL
Joined: 05.20.2016
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Was tanner finally fired? |
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