Ask any Calgary fan then..

The line runs through Johnny hockey and he's basically the center
- GERBE!!!75PTS

The RAPM chart I posted of Gaudreau is only this year. If someone wants to post a side-by-side of Gaudreau and Monahan for both this year, and one for 2017-2020, im willing to listen to the argument. Right now it seems like their fortunes rise and fall together, with Monahan slightly more offensively talented and less defensively talented.

I don't know how to make customized RAPM charts or I would do it myself

Ask any Calgary fan then..

The line runs through Johnny hockey and he's basically the center
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Right ..... the point is. Monahan faced teams top lines all year long. In buffalo, he doesn’t have to do that.

Johnny hockey or not. Monahan is a good player.

And it’s funny you will trade Sam ..... who is a proven nhl player and not the 8th overall pick for a player the Sabres won’t use for 2-3 years and we won’t even know if he pans out or not

That is bad wannabe gming

Whats wrong with that
- GERBE!!!75PTS

based on your response, kim and terry should get rid of the bills and sabres

Right ..... the point is. Monahan faced teams top lines all year long. In buffalo, he doesn’t have to do that.

Johnny hockey or not. Monahan is a good player.

And it’s funny you will trade Sam ..... who is a proven nhl player and not the 8th overall pick for a player the Sabres won’t use for 2-3 years and we won’t even know if he pans out or not

That is bad wannabe gming
- Sabretooth9

If you look at the charts someone posted it and said hes already faced less competition has still been terrible..

I forgot who posted it

If you look at the charts someone posted it and said hes already faced less competition has still been terrible..

I forgot who posted it
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Just post a Gaudreau and Monahan side-by-side EV RAPM chart and we can move on. I genuinely want to see the difference but I dont have the ability to do it

Right ..... the point is. Monahan faced teams top lines all year long. In buffalo, he doesn’t have to do that.

Johnny hockey or not. Monahan is a good player.

And it’s funny you will trade Sam ..... who is a proven nhl player and not the 8th overall pick for a player the Sabres won’t use for 2-3 years and we won’t even know if he pans out or not

That is bad wannabe gming
- Sabretooth9

The 8th pick is Cost controlled and has more upside then sam and It's not gonna cost 7 million dollars

The 8th pick is Cost controlled and has more upside then sam and It's not gonna cost 7 million dollars
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Or could end up being a career 4th liner

I think I can agree with the top, that it wasn't some great trade by Botts. I just don't see a ton given up. Then again, I don't know what other cap moves were to be had.

I would say to the 2nd part, it doesn't matter if it's Pitt that resigns him as long as it's 2.5-3.5M, he's stayed similar value then. I think on the open market he'll get that, but I'll gladly retract as well if that doesn't come to pass. I haven't seen his expected contract but would figured 2-3y 2.5-3.5M would be around the area.
- RhinoFan

I think that's really high, especially this year. If he stays in Pitt, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it was a 1 yr @ 1m deal.

Johnny Hockey has a scary red line as well, and his happy blue line isn't as happy as Monahan

So Monahan is happier and sadder than Gaudreau
- jcragcrumple

The problem with the chart you shared is it's not accurate for Gaudreau as he had 1070 minutes at even strength and 197 on the power play.

He was overall neutral on the chart when the entire season is factored in at even strength and the power play.

Or could end up being a career 4th liner
- SabresFaninIndiana

could be an all star 4th liner though

I think that's really high, especially this year. If he stays in Pitt, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it was a 1 yr @ 1m deal.
- Lunaion

I wish I had access to one of those expected contract sites. I don't, you may be right. I was going off of a couple Pitt articles I'd found that was talking about resigning him.

https://penslabyrinth.com...nguins-conor-sheary-deal/

https://puckprose.com/202...uins-pending-free-agents/

They have 2.56M valuation fwiw.

could be an all star 4th liner though
- navinrjohnson

We already got Zemgus, 1s enough.

I think I can agree with the top, that it wasn't some great trade by Botts. I just don't see a ton given up. Then again, I don't know what other cap moves were to be had.

I would say to the 2nd part, it doesn't matter if it's Pitt that resigns him as long as it's 2.5-3.5M, he's stayed similar value then. I think on the open market he'll get that, but I'll gladly retract as well if that doesn't come to pass. I haven't seen his expected contract but would figured 2-3y 2.5-3.5M would be around the area.
- RhinoFan

I'm not sure which player you are talking regarding next contract, so I'll share both players predictions from Evolving Hockey (top 3):

Conor Sheary

28% 4 Years @ $3.5M per
23% 6 Years @ $4.2M per
15% 3 Years @ $2.9M per

Kahun

41% 2 Years @ $2.9M per
26% 4 Years @ $3.7M per
19% 3 Years @ $3.3M per

I wish I had access to one of those expected contract sites. I don't, you may be right. I was going off of a couple Pitt articles I'd found that was talking about resigning him.

https://penslabyrinth.com...nguins-conor-sheary-deal/

https://puckprose.com/202...uins-pending-free-agents/

They have 2.56M valuation fwiw.
- RhinoFan

Like I said, I think a lot of those deals are going to get squeezed pretty tight.

I think that's really high, especially this year. If he stays in Pitt, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it was a 1 yr @ 1m deal.
- Lunaion

Are you talking about Conor Sheary?

His 1 year deal is predicted to be at $2M, but that is the 6th most likely prediction from Evolving Hockey, who have historically been very good at predicting contracts.

I posted the top 3 predictions in a prior post.

Like I said, I think a lot of those deals are going to get squeezed pretty tight.
- Lunaion

We'll see how close the predictions come to being accurate with the cap remaining the same.

I'm not sure which player you are talking regarding next contract, so I'll share both players predictions from Evolving Hockey (top 3):

Conor Sheary

28% 4 Years @ $3.5M per
23% 6 Years @ $4.2M per
15% 3 Years @ $2.9M per

Kahun

41% 2 Years @ $2.9M per
26% 4 Years @ $3.7M per
19% 3 Years @ $3.3M per
- kingcong39

Thanks for this. Was referring to Sheary, but Kahun's is an added bonus. I figured he'd be right around that 3m number.

We'll see what actually gets signed though. For all I know a 1 year, low cap hit deal to stay could be Sheary's ticket to stay with Sid.

We already got Zemgus, 1s enough.
- RhinoFan

Too bad John Scott wasn’t still around.

Although I don’t think we have lion boy any longer..

Like I said, I think a lot of those deals are going to get squeezed pretty tight.
- Lunaion

Could definitely happen. That'd be more of a product of the situation than his value though. We'll see what he signs, it'll be pretty interesting if a bunch of FAs start taking low cheddar 1 year deals to stay with their teams.

Too bad John Scott wasn’t still around.

Although I don’t think we have lion boy any longer..
- SabresFaninIndiana

How did I forget about the giant? Good call.

And yeah, the lion eater sleeps now. He will dream of days with Ennis and Moulson as a top line NHL center.

could be an all star 4th liner though
- navinrjohnson

His name is Larry

Are you talking about Conor Sheary?

His 1 year deal is predicted to be at $2M, but that is the 6th most likely prediction from Evolving Hockey, who have historically been very good at predicting contracts.

I posted the top 3 predictions in a prior post.
- kingcong39

Yes. I enjoy their work a lot. I just think this is a year where those 2-3.5m players are getting less $ and term than you would normally project. Not sure how they factored pandemic issues into things.

If I'm reading this right, it shows their GF/60 and their xGF/60, but only shows the xGA/60 and doesn't show the actual GA/60

So what's his actual GA/60

I know red line is supposed to show me that something is scary and bad, but that line is a projection, not reality
- jcragcrumple

Please see below for the GF/60, xGF/60, xGA/60, and GA/60 for the past three seasons for each of Gaudreau and Monahan (keep in mind, + is good for GF stats and - is good for GA stats):

Gaudreau (GF/60, xGF/60 -> xGA/60, GA/60)

19-20: -.039, +.051 -> +.013, -.013
18-19: +.239, +.213 -> +.079, +.088
17-18: +.268, +.199 -> +.131, +.082

Monahan (GF/60, xGF/60 -> xGA/60, GA/60)

19-20: +.003, +.023 -> +.156, +.124
18-19: +.176, +.187 -> +.203, +.227
17-18: +.303, +.252 -> +.164, +.094

Yes. I enjoy their work a lot. I just think this is a year where those 2-3.5m players are getting less $ and term than you would normally project. Not sure how they factored pandemic issues into things.
- Lunaion

How would they factor that in? There's no way to do that without literally guessing at a reduction.

I would be very surprised if Sheary took a one year deal for $1M. I could see him taking a 2 year deal at $2.5M per, like Kahun though.

The players union definitely took notice, and not in a good way, when LaBanc signed that deal last summer for one year at $1M.

He’s an average 2C imo.
- Pegullaville

To be fair, he's been counted on to be the 1C for Calgary for years.

There is a chance he could be a high end 2C with Eichel ahead of him, especially if they have a quality defensive 3C behind Monahan.

He is only turning 26.