I'm just not buying the internal cap theory. At risk of sparking another 2 hour poop on Pegula fest (that they deserve), they've trimmed a lot of business staff, and a lot of underachieving hockey staff. If there was ever a time to cut the fat out of an organization, it would be 2020. As long as it's justified, and, let's be honest, let's take a look at the Buffalo Sabres. They've been adamant that the Sabres would not be hamstrung to bring in the players that they want.

That, and they know they need to be good, they're not going to skimp out.
- TheSabresTaco

Now if the Sabres could just keep Kerry and Tim out of player decisions...I mean, I know Timmy spent lots of time in Stats and Analytics classes when getting her Communications degree, but she should let other spread their wings.

I hope so, as has been stated many ti es by other posters...this year and next year should present unique opportunities due to the flat Cap and number of teams near it already with players left to sign.
- IonSabres

I mean it's not like they're going to overload the cap for 8 years down the line. I just guarantee we don't turn into the Senators. Wish we had Kap Jenius Jason at the helm.

I mean it's not like they're going to overload the cap for 8 years down the line. I just guarantee we don't turn into the Senators. Wish we had Kap Jenius Jason at the helm.
- TheSabresTaco

It's still amazing that they had a bonus overage carryover to this year.

I mean it's not like they're going to overload the cap for 8 years down the line. I just guarantee we don't turn into the Senators. Wish we had Kap Jenius Jason at the helm.
- TheSabresTaco

Sarcasm aside, if Adams ends up failing, it won't be because the team's cap situation. The Sabres are in a position to make pretty much any trade that's on the table without having to manipulate the cap even with the overages.

Now if the Sabres could just keep Kerry and Tim out of player decisions...I mean, I know Timmy spent lots of time in Stats and Analytics classes when getting her Communications degree, but she should let other spread their wings.
- IonSabres

They're the owners, they should have an opinion.

Correct:
Kim: Wow, Alex Pietrangelo is a very good player. Would he cost a ton of money?
Adams & Co.: Yeah
Kim: Does it make sense?
Adams: Depends

Incorrect:
Kim: Sign him or else

It's still amazing that they had a bonus overage carryover to this year.
- kingcong39

I share your amazement

It's still amazing that they had a bonus overage carryover to this year.
- kingcong39

People make way too big of a deal about bonus overages. They're as close to irrelevant as you can get. As long as you have players with rookie contracts on your roster, you can essentially kick that can down the road for as many seasons as you want or need to. Not to mention, putting just one player on LTIR, which any team can/will need to in just about any season, essentially offsets the cap space taken. Money is fungible. If the Sabres can't get the players they want or need, the bonus overages will not be the reason.

Sarcasm aside, if Adams ends up failing, it won't be because the team's cap situation. The Sabres are in a position to make pretty much any trade that's on the table without having to manipulate the cap even with the overages.
- buffalofan19

Remember that one time Botterill could have hung onto the 4th round pick instead of using it on Frolik? I member.

Remember that one time Botterill could have hung onto the 4th round pick instead of using it on Frolik? I member.
- TheSabresTaco

Neither "asset" affects the win column within the next five years. Who cares?

The win column doesn't.
- buffalofan19

The WAR chart suggests Frolik is the reason we missed the play-in round.

I'm just not buying the internal cap theory. At risk of sparking another 2 hour poop on Pegula fest (that they deserve), they've trimmed a lot of business staff, and a lot of underachieving hockey staff. If there was ever a time to cut the fat out of an organization, it would be 2020. As long as it's justified, and, let's be honest, let's take a look at the Buffalo Sabres. They've been adamant that the Sabres would not be hamstrung to bring in the players that they want.

That, and they know they need to be good, they're not going to skimp out.
- TheSabresTaco

i was just busting your chops.. and dont criticze the pegulas or gerbe will fly in here and say they are great people.. but what does that have to do with them being good at running a sports franchise...... NOTHING.. they suck at running the sabres. the team blows and has blown donkey Richard from the day they took over. poor hiring decision after poor hiring decision.

It's still amazing that they had a bonus overage carryover to this year.
- kingcong39

with as good as they were the bonus overage is almost a given.. isn't it?

Sarcasm aside, if Adams ends up failing, it won't be because the team's cap situation. The Sabres are in a position to make pretty much any trade that's on the table without having to manipulate the cap even with the overages.
- buffalofan19

people will be looking to bend Kevyn over the barrel in a trade though

Neither "asset" affects the win column within the next five years. Who cares?
- buffalofan19

Highly debatable.

Frolik's negative play is theoretically the reason (straw/camel) the Sabres missed the play-in round.

That 4th round pick could have been used in a trade to bring in a useful player, just like the 5th was used to bring in Colin Miller. Or draft Phil Grubauer, Joonas Donskoi, Johnny Gaudreau, Jaccob Slavin, Andrew Copp, Viktor Arvidsson, Mathieu Joseph or Victor Mete.

improbable, but possible.

Neither "asset" affects the win column within the next five years. Who cares?
- buffalofan19

had he tried harder he could have got a 2nd instead of a 4th though..

people will be looking to bend Kevyn over the barrel in a trade though
- SabresFaninIndiana

Sure, but the cap situation would be the same for anyone they brought in, or if they had kept Botterill.

i was just busting your chops.. and dont criticze the pegulas or gerbe will fly in here and say they are great people.. but what does that have to do with them being good at running a sports franchise...... NOTHING.. they suck at running the sabres. the team blows and has blown donkey Richard from the day they took over. poor hiring decision after poor hiring decision.
- SabresFaninIndiana

I don't mind the Joshin', it was more a statement made because this board has been high on "Pegula going lean" for months. Still don't think he (frank)s with the roster funds.

But the rest of the post is right. They still blow at running a successful franchise.

Live look at gerbe rushing to defend women of power:

If there is any correlation between these two players and many of us are backward thinking, which can definitely be true, then why didn't JB trade Larsson sometime this year or at least the deadline for quite the haul he would have brought in when it is assumed he is a goner. If Tre White were traded he would bring something nice, I assume Larsson would have as well if he was so highly viewed in the NHL.
- GilPerreault11

I’m sure we could have gotten something at the deadline if Botts was willing to move Larsson.

If Barclay Goodrow could bring back a first rounder then I’m assuming Larsson could have at least brought back a 2nd rounder

Highly debatable.

Frolik's negative play is theoretically the reason (straw/camel) the Sabres missed the play-in round.

That 4th round pick could have been used in a trade to bring in a useful player, just like the 5th was used to bring in Colin Miller. Or draft Phil Grubauer, Joonas Donskoi, Johnny Gaudreau, Jaccob Slavin, Andrew Copp, Viktor Arvidsson, Mathieu Joseph or Victor Mete.

improbable, but possible.
- TheSabresTaco

Look, I'm not defending the trade. It just doesn't come anywhere near cracking the Top 100 mistakes this franchise has made since the Pegulas took over in 2011.

So it wasn't gerbe saying Johan Larsson = Tre White.

Interesting.
- TheSabresTaco

Amazingly enough he didn’t say to move the 8th OA pick for Sean Monahan either.

Look, I'm not defending the trade. It just doesn't come anywhere near cracking the Top 100 mistakes this franchise has made since the Pegulas took over in 2011.
- buffalofan19

I can't disagree with that. All I'm saying is, the overage could have easily been avoided. Easily. And without detriment to the 19-20 Sabres.

I don't mind the Joshin', it was more a statement made because this board has been high on "Pegula going lean" for months. Still don't think he (frank)s with the roster funds.

But the rest of the post is right. They still blow at running a successful franchise.

Live look at gerbe rushing to defend women of power:

- TheSabresTaco

I honestly never did. Pegula brought in the largest scouting staff in the league if I remember correctly. The return on the investment was a negative. If I were in his position, I would do it too. What I wouldn't do is replace my GM with another rookie GM with even less of a pedigree in a season where my superstar is as close to wanting out without outright saying it as you can get.

Amazingly enough he didn’t say to move the 8th OA pick for Sean Monahan either.
- Pegullaville

I tend to agree. 1 for 1, nope.

I honestly never did. Pegula brought in the largest scouting staff in the league if I remember correctly. The return on the investment was a negative. If I were in his position, I would do it too. What I wouldn't do is replace my GM with another rookie GM with even less of a pedigree in a season where my superstar is as close to wanting out without outright saying it as you can get.
- buffalofan19

Imagine the Florida Panthers spending the necessary funds on a GM search to hire Bill Zito instead of just saying, well, we know this guy, he's successful at other stuff so let's make him GM in a year where he has literally one season to succeed.

*There is zero proof he won't succeed, or be a better GM than Bill Zito

I can't disagree with that. All I'm saying is, the overage could have easily been avoided. Easily. And without detriment to the 19-20 Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

And I'm saying the overage is irrelevant to the 20-21 Sabres. Like I said earlier, as long as you have players with rookie contracts on your roster, you can essentially kick that can down the road for a decade if need be. In fact, unless ownership put a limit on salary, I would hope my GM used that strategy. Granted, I would like someone better than Frolik to use that space with, but, to me, the season was already on a downward spiral before that trade was made, and he was off the roster after the season. It just doesn't bother me.