Agreed and I pray that's what they're trying to look for. At the same point, if 8OA is traded for a great player, I doubt Jack would wrinkle his nose at it.
- RhinoFan

The problem with moving 8, is that I haven’t seen a player worth moving that pick for.

Monahan does not do it for me.

Cirelli would do it for me but there would have to be other pieces.

Moving the 8th pick for a “passenger” seems counter productive. Sure, Monahan makes the team better today but 3 years from now when he’s a UFA ? Is Monahan better off than having an Alexander Holtz scoring 30 goals on Eichel’s wing or a Lundell/Rossi whom are solid 2C’s whom are much younger and cost controlled

The problem with moving 8, is that I haven’t seen a player worth moving that pick for.

Monahan does not do it for me.

Cirelli would do it for me but there would have to be other pieces.

Moving the 8th pick for a “passenger” seems counter productive. Sure, Monahan makes the team better today but 3 years from now when he’s a UFA ? Is Monahan better off than having an Alexander Holtz scoring 30 goals on Eichel’s wing or a Lundell/Rossi whom are solid 2C’s whom are much younger and cost controlled
- Pegullaville

Sure, or we could be reviewing this from 2017:

JUNE 23: Buffalo Sabres acquire forward Brayden Schenn from the Philadelphia Flyers for forward Zemgus Girgensons, a 2017 first-round pick (No. 7) and a conditional 2018 third-round pick

And nothing of value was lost. You have to be sure of what youre getting there in the draft. It always looks great on the lot, but as soon you drive it off, it starts depreciating.

There are no guarantees

There's two sides to the coin though.

How did Vegas get Stone, Pacioretty, Theodore etc.

How did Dallas get Seguin? How did the Isles get JG Pageau

How did Col get Kadri and Burakovsky? and Girard.

I think were ok on top end talent if Cozens and Jokiharju pan out to be the top 6 forward and top 2-3 D they should be.

What it really comes down to is how much do we want to keep Eichel. Because he's going to become a major problem and will absolutely go public to get the (frank) outta town if we arent good this year

If we swap 8 for a solid producing now talent, that's great. What we need is some of the post firs rounders to pan out
- sbroads24

8th for Monahan. Throw in Risto/Montour and they throw in Bennett. Do it.

The problem with moving 8, is that I haven’t seen a player worth moving that pick for.

Monahan does not do it for me.

Cirelli would do it for me but there would have to be other pieces.

Moving the 8th pick for a “passenger” seems counter productive. Sure, Monahan makes the team better today but 3 years from now when he’s a UFA ? Is Monahan better off than having an Alexander Holtz scoring 30 goals on Eichel’s wing or a Lundell/Rossi whom are solid 2C’s whom are much younger and cost controlled
- Pegullaville

In three years, Jack won't care about Holtz, Lundell or Rossi. He'll be playing somewhere else by then.

He's going to be good though
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I think Sanderson will be off the board before the 8th pick. Maybe even before Drysdale is taken.

Sure, or we could be reviewing this from 2017:

JUNE 23: Buffalo Sabres acquire forward Brayden Schenn from the Philadelphia Flyers for forward Zemgus Girgensons, a 2017 first-round pick (No. 7) and a conditional 2018 third-round pick

And nothing of value was lost. You have to be sure of what youre getting there in the draft. It always looks great on the lot, but as soon you drive it off, it starts depreciating.

There are no guarantees
- jcragcrumple

How many of us here (myself included) thought Mitts and Nylander were going to be great? Most of us but few will admit to it.

Package up #8+ to get us a solid #2C now that will: 1) keep Jack happy, 2) make us legitimately competitive to get into the playoffs and 3) show the fans they actually are trying to improve now.

I am done with waiting another 2 or 3 years on another highly touted prospect that might become "suspect". Thank you Ted Nolan for that last reference.

The problem with moving 8, is that I haven’t seen a player worth moving that pick for.

Monahan does not do it for me.

Cirelli would do it for me but there would have to be other pieces.

Moving the 8th pick for a “passenger” seems counter productive. Sure, Monahan makes the team better today but 3 years from now when he’s a UFA ? Is Monahan better off than having an Alexander Holtz scoring 30 goals on Eichel’s wing or a Lundell/Rossi whom are solid 2C’s whom are much younger and cost controlled
- Pegullaville

I wouldn't move the 8th overall for Cirelli either. I'm definitely in the minority, but I don't necessarily believe he's going to turn into a big point producer.

Overall, I don't like the idea of trading the 8th overall along with other pieces for a player they're also immediately going to have to pay up for in terms of a new deal.

We also probably would still have ROR and made the playoffs if Botterill had traded the Mittelstadt pick for another forward. Making the pick is no more of a sure thing than trading it. It's actually way less of a sure thing
- jcragcrumple

Who knows? Always easy to go back, with hindsight, and make a good trade instead of a bad draft pick. You could also just make a better draft pick...or not trade some of our picks and draft better.

Our system isn't good right now. I simply can't overlook that.

How many of us here (myself included) thought Mitts and Nylander were going to be great? Most of us but few will admit to it.

Package up #8+ to get us a solid #2C now that will: 1) keep Jack happy, 2) make us legitimately competitive to get into the playoffs and 3) show the fans they actually are trying to improve now.

I am done with waiting another 2 or 3 years on another highly touted prospect that might become "suspect". Thank you Ted Nolan for that last reference.
- SabreWest

The team as currently constructed needs multiple moves to be truly competitive.

I fully believe they can trade for a pair of Centers such as Bonino and Copp that would improve the team markedly for next season while allowing them to pick at 8th overall and better able them to fully develop who they draft and Cozens.

How many of us here (myself included) thought Mitts and Nylander were going to be great? Most of us but few will admit to it.

Package up #8+ to get us a solid #2C now that will: 1) keep Jack happy, 2) make us legitimately competitive to get into the playoffs and 3) show the fans they actually are trying to improve now.

I am done with waiting another 2 or 3 years on another highly touted prospect that might become "suspect". Thank you Ted Nolan for that last reference.
- SabreWest

I think there's also the fear that whoever is picked at 8 will be better than Monahan in 3 years. Even if that's true, I'd still make the trade. Winning now is the most important thing we can do. This offseason is critical. Having success on the ice and sheltering Cozens are the two most important tasks. If those two tasks can be accomplished without trading 8 by getting Domi, Staal, Soderberg, strome or whatever else, even better.

But if the best or only avenue is to trade 8, you do it and never look back

Who knows? Always easy to go back, with hindsight, and make a good trade instead of a bad draft pick. You could also just make a better draft pick...or not trade some of our picks and draft better.

Our system isn't good right now. I simply can't overlook that.
- Lunaion

The bolded is not up for debate, and they're also light on picks too.

I think there's also the fear that whoever is picked at 8 will be better than Monahan in 3 years. Even if that's true, I'd still make the trade. Winning now is the most important thing we can do. This offseason is critical. Having success on the ice and sheltering Cozens are the two most important tasks. If those can be accomplished without trading 8 by getting Domi, Staal, Soderberg, strome or whatever else, even better.

But if the best or only avenue is to trade 8, you do it and never look back
- jcragcrumple

I think you're looking at two of Copp, Bonino, Strome, or Henrique by keeping the 8th overall.

Getting 2 of the above would be a big start to a massive difference in the team next year.

What are the Wings up to?

Would they consider Larkin for 8?

They have Veleno and Rasmussen in their top 5 prospects who are both centers and both played in the AHL last year.

What are the Wings up to?

Would they consider Larkin for 8?

They have Veleno and Rasmussen in their top 5 prospects who are both centers and both played in the AHL last year.
- Powerslave

My best guess is Detroit would start by asking for the 8th overall AND Cozens for Larkin.

I think you're looking at two of Copp, Bonino, Strome, or Henrique by keeping the 8th overall.

Getting 2 of the above would be a big start to a massive difference in the team next year.
- kingcong39

Just a good 3C changes things a lot, plus extending/replacing Larsson. Overpaying for a 2C seems shortsighted to me.

What are the Wings up to?

Would they consider Larkin for 8?

They have Veleno and Rasmussen in their top 5 prospects who are both centers and both played in the AHL last year.
- Powerslave

Yeah Larkin is going nowhere. He’s a hometown kid and the face of that franchise, even if he’s a lower end 1C.

Who knows? Always easy to go back, with hindsight, and make a good trade instead of a bad draft pick. You could also just make a better draft pick...or not trade some of our picks and draft better.

Our system isn't good right now. I simply can't overlook that.
- Lunaion

Or you forego all of that risk and trade for a known commodity. Even if the ceiling is lower, the floor is much higher

The 8th doesn't need to be included, but if you can get a proven player who has produced and is still 25-26 or younger it should be in the conversation.

Just a good 3C changes things a lot, plus extending/replacing Larsson. Overpaying for a 2C seems shortsighted to me.
- Lunaion

The reality is 3C's are available and realistic while 2C's aren't, and getting a pair of 3C's would make a world of difference.

In three years, Jack won't care about Holtz, Lundell or Rossi. He'll be playing somewhere else by then.
- SabreWest

And in three years we may have a core of Eichel, Dahlin, Joker, Cozens, Lundell/Holtz/Rossi/Perfetti, Skinner, and Reinhart and be the next Tampa Bay Lightning.

ROR was traded twice this past decade. Kadri was traded this past offseason. Trocheck was traded, Seguin was traded

None of them were traded for a top 10 pick.

Or you forego all of that risk and trade for a known commodity. Even if the ceiling is lower, the floor is much higher
- jcragcrumple

I'd list the recent trades that have tried to do that and burned us, but you know them.

How many of us here (myself included) thought Mitts and Nylander were going to be great? Most of us but few will admit to it.

Package up #8+ to get us a solid #2C now that will: 1) keep Jack happy, 2) make us legitimately competitive to get into the playoffs and 3) show the fans they actually are trying to improve now.

I am done with waiting another 2 or 3 years on another highly touted prospect that might become "suspect". Thank you Ted Nolan for that last reference.
- SabreWest

I definitely thought Mitts would be our next 2C, I won’t lie and the threads don’t lie.

However I wanted Sergachev in 2017 not Nylander.

It goes back to my post a few pages back. Building through the draft is not flawed, but the idiots making the picks were.

I think Sanderson will be off the board before the 8th pick. Maybe even before Drysdale is taken.
- kingcong39

The wings

The wings
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Detroit has been linked with Perfetti for a while now.

The reality is 3C's are available and realistic while 2C's aren't, and getting a pair of 3C's would make a world of difference.
- kingcong39

As long as Larsson is around or replaced, and you trade for 1 of them, I'm fine with Mitts, Cozens, Lazar, Asplund, and a few longshots fighting for the remaining minutes.