If Skinner has been that way his entire career, why make a big deal out of last season? That's what confused me.
- kingcong39

Who says he was though? Who says he was like that in 18-19?

I'm not suggesting Krueger handled it right. Setting an example is fine, but you can't submerge 9M of offense. You just can't.

Larsson has a defined, bottom role. Skinner was vastly demoted. And should I mention the salary disparity.
- TheSabresTaco

Hopefully he will be back to the top line and move sam to line two with max ( if we get him) and put VO rw for line 1

People are just hating on kim,terry,Adams just cuz..

Its w/e
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I'd caution you to keep their names out of this particular argument.

Hopefully he will be back to the top line and move sam to line two with max ( if we get him) and put VO rw for line 1
- GERBE!!!75PTS

The man splurges about how well the trio works together.

I don't disagree with your thought process though. You get the right center and you can bump Olofsson down to play with Cozens.

That center would be Danault.

Matt Ellis has essentially being doing this job without the Sabres title at harbor center. Every single rookie camp and August (before preseason ) skates was run by him
- Sabretooth9

Yup. He was already working in this role in some capacity

is this a trick question?
- hehateme

Just because a player was a "plug", that means absolutely nothing when it comes to front office, coaching, etc.

Berube was one of the biggest plugs ever. He's not doing too shabby. That's one example of many.

I'd take Danault over both. In fact, I would be thrilled.
- TheSabresTaco

True, but we shouldn't be saying this player isn't worth it or that player. We need improvements as long as we don't destroy the future for them again, we are in a stagnant hole with the Sabres.

Just because a player was a "plug", that means absolutely nothing when it comes to front office, coaching, etc.

Berube was one of the biggest plugs ever. He's not doing too shabby. That's one example of many.
- Powerslave

Trotz wasn't even a plug in the AHL, let alone the NHL

Jeff Skinner had less offensive zone starts/60 this year than Curtis Lazar and Evan Rodrigues.

The coach kinda sucks
- sbroads24

I am no fan of the coach, but Skinner received 57% offensive zone starts while playing 13.6 minutes of TOI at even strength.

Rodrigues received 55% offensive zone starts while playing 10 minutes of TOI at even strength.

Lazar received 43% offensive zone starts while playing just under 10 minutes of TOI at even strength.

What I mean to convey with the above is using offensive zone starts per 60 to compare two players who played 3 minutes less per game at even strength with Skinner seems like a stretch in terms of using data to convey an inadequacy of the coach.

True, but we shouldn't be saying this player isn't worth it or that player. We need improvements as long as we don't destroy the future for them again, we are in a stagnant hole with the Sabres.
- Buff36

When the 8th overall pick is throwing around yeah....

There's only a few players that ill give up for that pick

Who says he was though? Who says he was like that in 18-19?

I'm not suggesting Krueger handled it right. Setting an example is fine, but you can't submerge 9M of offense. You just can't.
- TheSabresTaco

They didn't have enough top 6 talent. Sucks, but it does boil down to that. They had 3 guys, and had to fill that in with 3 3rd line talents.

also suck for stanley cup ratings

they would be competing with nfl 3 nights a week
- navinrjohnson

If the League started December 1st they are really only pushing the start of the season back about 7-8 weeks. Stanley Cup gets handed out mid-June every year. They would not be competing with the NFL at all unless you count early preseason games. Reg season would end somewhere shortly after Memorial day (50% of the players done). It's a great idea.

True, but we shouldn't be saying this player isn't worth it or that player. We need improvements as long as we don't destroy the future for them again, we are in a stagnant hole with the Sabres.
- Buff36

It really just depends on who is actually out there and what their price is.

The guy has to be the right fit. Fit our scheme, fit our cap, fit our timeline, fit our needs, fit our age group and/or cost range.. there's just a lot to it.

Or you're just trading for a piece and wasting assets.

The man splurges about how well the trio works together.

I don't disagree with your thought process though. You get the right center and you can bump Olofsson down to play with Cozens.

That center would be Danault.
- TheSabresTaco

Who is the man? Ralph?

By advanced metrics, the top line in 2018-2019 produced better than the top line in 2019-2020 in terms of efficiency, especially at even strength.

Guys, there's really only one guy that we could trade for that would fix all of our issues.

Who is the man? Ralph?

By advanced metrics, the top line in 2018-2019 produced better than the top line in 2019-2020 in terms of efficiency, especially at even strength.
- kingcong39

Yes. And he's right. But you're still submerging a 9M player.

Without stating the obvious, which 36 pointed out, a dearth of talent either screws Skinner or screws Olofsson.

Great not at the price Some of you are willing to pay hes not worth the 8th overall pick thats for sure
- GERBE!!!75PTS

We don’t have time for the 8th overall pick to develop. We need someone right this second to play on the roster

Like cozens is a good prospect but as a rookie I don’t expect much.

Mittlestadt who knows what kind of shape he comes back to the Sabres in

Too many variables and what ifs.

Trading the 8th gets you a Legitimate player where you don’t need to guess what they become.

It really just depends on who is actually out there and what their price is.

The guy has to be the right fit. Fit our scheme, fit our cap, fit our timeline, fit our needs, fit our age group and/or cost range.. there's just a lot to it.

Or you're just trading for a piece and wasting assets.
- TheSabresTaco

True again, it has to be the right piece, but we can't be sitting on are hands either.

Guys, there's really only one guy that we could trade for that would fix all of our issues.
- TheSabresTaco

Norm Bjarfsad?

True again, it has to be the right piece, but we can't be sitting on are hands either.
- Buff36

And I'd be disgusted if they did. I would also be flabbergasted, in the truest sense, if they sat on their hands.

It sounds like, from everyone that has second, third and fourth hand sources, that Adams has his fingers in everyone's pie.

Norm Bjarfsad?
- jcragcrumple

Dennis Flagstaff. He's a 1-4C

We don’t have time for the 8th overall pick to develop. We need someone right this second to play on the roster

Like cozens is a good prospect but as a rookie I don’t expect much.

Mittlestadt who knows what kind of shape he comes back to the Sabres in

Too many variables and what ifs.

Trading the 8th gets you a Legitimate player where you don’t need to guess what they become.
- Sabretooth9

Impatience doesn't change the state of the organization. The system, and the roster, aren't close to good enough to give up 1sts.

Yes. And he's right. But you're still submerging a 9M player.

Without stating the obvious, which 36 pointed out, a dearth of talent either screws Skinner or screws Olofsson.
- TheSabresTaco

He's right about spreading the talent out, but if he thinks the top line last year produced more efficiently at even strength then the top line the year prior, then he's wrong.

And I'd be disgusted if they did. I would also be flabbergasted, in the truest sense, if they sat on their hands.

It sounds like, from everyone that has second, third and fourth hand sources, that Adams has his fingers in everyone's pie.
- TheSabresTaco

Where are you getting this from?

89 has said it's krueger's team

DBTB is saying it's Pegula directing them to target Pietrangelo

Who's reporting Adams is literally doing anything?

We don’t have time for the 8th overall pick to develop. We need someone right this second to play on the roster

Like cozens is a good prospect but as a rookie I don’t expect much.

Mittlestadt who knows what kind of shape he comes back to the Sabres in

Too many variables and what ifs.

Trading the 8th gets you a Legitimate player where you don’t need to guess what they become.
- Sabretooth9

Moving the 8th would just sink this franchise back more especially for a player like Sean monahan