jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Ask any Calgary fan then..
The line runs through Johnny hockey and he's basically the center - GERBE!!!75PTS
The RAPM chart I posted of Gaudreau is only this year. If someone wants to post a side-by-side of Gaudreau and Monahan for both this year, and one for 2017-2020, im willing to listen to the argument. Right now it seems like their fortunes rise and fall together, with Monahan slightly more offensively talented and less defensively talented.
I don't know how to make customized RAPM charts or I would do it myself |
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Ask any Calgary fan then..
The line runs through Johnny hockey and he's basically the center - GERBE!!!75PTS
Right ..... the point is. Monahan faced teams top lines all year long. In buffalo, he doesn’t have to do that.
Johnny hockey or not. Monahan is a good player.
And it’s funny you will trade Sam ..... who is a proven nhl player and not the 8th overall pick for a player the Sabres won’t use for 2-3 years and we won’t even know if he pans out or not
That is bad wannabe gming |
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navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are finally good, NY Joined: 12.08.2009
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Whats wrong with that - GERBE!!!75PTS
based on your response, kim and terry should get rid of the bills and sabres
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GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA Joined: 02.11.2009
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Right ..... the point is. Monahan faced teams top lines all year long. In buffalo, he doesn’t have to do that.
Johnny hockey or not. Monahan is a good player.
And it’s funny you will trade Sam ..... who is a proven nhl player and not the 8th overall pick for a player the Sabres won’t use for 2-3 years and we won’t even know if he pans out or not
That is bad wannabe gming - Sabretooth9
If you look at the charts someone posted it and said hes already faced less competition has still been terrible..
I forgot who posted it |
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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If you look at the charts someone posted it and said hes already faced less competition has still been terrible..
I forgot who posted it - GERBE!!!75PTS
Just post a Gaudreau and Monahan side-by-side EV RAPM chart and we can move on. I genuinely want to see the difference but I dont have the ability to do it |
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GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA Joined: 02.11.2009
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Right ..... the point is. Monahan faced teams top lines all year long. In buffalo, he doesn’t have to do that.
Johnny hockey or not. Monahan is a good player.
And it’s funny you will trade Sam ..... who is a proven nhl player and not the 8th overall pick for a player the Sabres won’t use for 2-3 years and we won’t even know if he pans out or not
That is bad wannabe gming - Sabretooth9
The 8th pick is Cost controlled and has more upside then sam and It's not gonna cost 7 million dollars |
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The 8th pick is Cost controlled and has more upside then sam and It's not gonna cost 7 million dollars - GERBE!!!75PTS
Or could end up being a career 4th liner |
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I think I can agree with the top, that it wasn't some great trade by Botts. I just don't see a ton given up. Then again, I don't know what other cap moves were to be had.
I would say to the 2nd part, it doesn't matter if it's Pitt that resigns him as long as it's 2.5-3.5M, he's stayed similar value then. I think on the open market he'll get that, but I'll gladly retract as well if that doesn't come to pass. I haven't seen his expected contract but would figured 2-3y 2.5-3.5M would be around the area. - RhinoFan
I think that's really high, especially this year. If he stays in Pitt, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it was a 1 yr @ 1m deal.
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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Johnny Hockey has a scary red line as well, and his happy blue line isn't as happy as Monahan
So Monahan is happier and sadder than Gaudreau - jcragcrumple
The problem with the chart you shared is it's not accurate for Gaudreau as he had 1070 minutes at even strength and 197 on the power play.
He was overall neutral on the chart when the entire season is factored in at even strength and the power play. |
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navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are finally good, NY Joined: 12.08.2009
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Or could end up being a career 4th liner - SabresFaninIndiana
could be an all star 4th liner though |
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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could be an all star 4th liner though - navinrjohnson
We already got Zemgus, 1s enough. |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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I think I can agree with the top, that it wasn't some great trade by Botts. I just don't see a ton given up. Then again, I don't know what other cap moves were to be had.
I would say to the 2nd part, it doesn't matter if it's Pitt that resigns him as long as it's 2.5-3.5M, he's stayed similar value then. I think on the open market he'll get that, but I'll gladly retract as well if that doesn't come to pass. I haven't seen his expected contract but would figured 2-3y 2.5-3.5M would be around the area. - RhinoFan
I'm not sure which player you are talking regarding next contract, so I'll share both players predictions from Evolving Hockey (top 3):
Conor Sheary
28% 4 Years @ $3.5M per
23% 6 Years @ $4.2M per
15% 3 Years @ $2.9M per
Kahun
41% 2 Years @ $2.9M per
26% 4 Years @ $3.7M per
19% 3 Years @ $3.3M per |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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I think that's really high, especially this year. If he stays in Pitt, I wouldn't be shocked at all if it was a 1 yr @ 1m deal. - Lunaion
Are you talking about Conor Sheary?
His 1 year deal is predicted to be at $2M, but that is the 6th most likely prediction from Evolving Hockey, who have historically been very good at predicting contracts.
I posted the top 3 predictions in a prior post. |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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Like I said, I think a lot of those deals are going to get squeezed pretty tight. - Lunaion
We'll see how close the predictions come to being accurate with the cap remaining the same. |
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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I'm not sure which player you are talking regarding next contract, so I'll share both players predictions from Evolving Hockey (top 3):
Conor Sheary
28% 4 Years @ $3.5M per
23% 6 Years @ $4.2M per
15% 3 Years @ $2.9M per
Kahun
41% 2 Years @ $2.9M per
26% 4 Years @ $3.7M per
19% 3 Years @ $3.3M per - kingcong39
Thanks for this. Was referring to Sheary, but Kahun's is an added bonus. I figured he'd be right around that 3m number.
We'll see what actually gets signed though. For all I know a 1 year, low cap hit deal to stay could be Sheary's ticket to stay with Sid. |
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We already got Zemgus, 1s enough. - RhinoFan
Too bad John Scott wasn’t still around.
Although I don’t think we have lion boy any longer.. |
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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Like I said, I think a lot of those deals are going to get squeezed pretty tight. - Lunaion
Could definitely happen. That'd be more of a product of the situation than his value though. We'll see what he signs, it'll be pretty interesting if a bunch of FAs start taking low cheddar 1 year deals to stay with their teams. |
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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Too bad John Scott wasn’t still around.
Although I don’t think we have lion boy any longer.. - SabresFaninIndiana
How did I forget about the giant? Good call.
And yeah, the lion eater sleeps now. He will dream of days with Ennis and Moulson as a top line NHL center. |
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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY Joined: 05.05.2011
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could be an all star 4th liner though - navinrjohnson
His name is Larry |
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Are you talking about Conor Sheary?
His 1 year deal is predicted to be at $2M, but that is the 6th most likely prediction from Evolving Hockey, who have historically been very good at predicting contracts.
I posted the top 3 predictions in a prior post. - kingcong39
Yes. I enjoy their work a lot. I just think this is a year where those 2-3.5m players are getting less $ and term than you would normally project. Not sure how they factored pandemic issues into things.
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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If I'm reading this right, it shows their GF/60 and their xGF/60, but only shows the xGA/60 and doesn't show the actual GA/60
So what's his actual GA/60
I know red line is supposed to show me that something is scary and bad, but that line is a projection, not reality - jcragcrumple
Please see below for the GF/60, xGF/60, xGA/60, and GA/60 for the past three seasons for each of Gaudreau and Monahan (keep in mind, + is good for GF stats and - is good for GA stats):
Gaudreau (GF/60, xGF/60 -> xGA/60, GA/60)
19-20: -.039, +.051 -> +.013, -.013
18-19: +.239, +.213 -> +.079, +.088
17-18: +.268, +.199 -> +.131, +.082
Monahan (GF/60, xGF/60 -> xGA/60, GA/60)
19-20: +.003, +.023 -> +.156, +.124
18-19: +.176, +.187 -> +.203, +.227
17-18: +.303, +.252 -> +.164, +.094 |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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Yes. I enjoy their work a lot. I just think this is a year where those 2-3.5m players are getting less $ and term than you would normally project. Not sure how they factored pandemic issues into things. - Lunaion
How would they factor that in? There's no way to do that without literally guessing at a reduction.
I would be very surprised if Sheary took a one year deal for $1M. I could see him taking a 2 year deal at $2.5M per, like Kahun though.
The players union definitely took notice, and not in a good way, when LaBanc signed that deal last summer for one year at $1M. |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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He’s an average 2C imo. - Pegullaville
To be fair, he's been counted on to be the 1C for Calgary for years.
There is a chance he could be a high end 2C with Eichel ahead of him, especially if they have a quality defensive 3C behind Monahan.
He is only turning 26. |
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