We need a fuggin goalie

hey fellas,

came in to clarify a few things. Winnipeg media DOES NOT THINK Laine is worth Eichel, the point they were trying to make is, it would take a huge offer to get Laine. Laine since coming in to the NHL has only had 6 players in the entire league score more goals than him, 6!! that's it. All the while never ( or at the very least very rarely ) playing with our top line center in Sheifele. If you honestly think Olafsson will do this, great, if he is going to score that many goals on your PP and 2nd line, great.

our main point is you don't trade a 22 year old Laine for Risto or Montour, Asplaud and a 2nd rounder. that should never happen. the guy would score 50 goals a year for the next 8 years on Eichels wing.

And I'm saying the overage is irrelevant to the 20-21 Sabres. Like I said earlier, as long as you have players with rookie contracts on your roster, you can essentially kick that can down the road for a decade if need be. In fact, unless ownership put a limit on salary, I would hope my GM used that strategy. Granted, I would like someone better than Frolik to use that space with, but, to me, the season was already on a downward spiral before that trade was made, and he was off the roster after the season. It just doesn't bother me.
- buffalofan19

What do you mean?

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- dadeadhead

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gonna sign up next week

What do you mean?
- jcragcrumple

Every rookie contract has performance bonuses. Teams account for that when they project their cap. So if entry-level players earn those bonuses, they defer them to the next season. Your simply replacing those bonuses with the bonuses accrued the year before. If I were allowed to spend to the cap every year by ownership, I would absolutely defer those bonuses year over year.

Also, as I said, moving just one player to LTIR usually essentially makes up that space as well.

The point is, as long as a GM has a financial IQ above 40, $1-2 million, or even $3 million, of bonus overages won't prevent him from getting the player he wants or needs.

Every rookie contract has performance bonuses. Teams account for that when they project their cap. So if entry-level players earn those bonuses, they defer them to the next season. Your simply replacing those bonuses with the bonuses accrued the year before.

Also, as I said, moving just one player to LTIR usually essentially makes up that space as well.

The point is, as long as a GM has a financial IQ above 40, $1-2 million of bonus overages won't prevent him from getting the player he wants or needs.
- buffalofan19

Sure, but you can't simply rollover the $1.5m cap overage for a decade. The sabres have to eat that this year, with a flat cap, which puts them at a disadvantage. $1.5 less to spend with a stagnant cap is not irrelevant. The fact that it was incurred on a 26th place team to acquire Frolik of all people makes it even dumber

People make way too big of a deal about bonus overages. They're as close to irrelevant as you can get. As long as you have players with rookie contracts on your roster, you can essentially kick that can down the road for as many seasons as you want or need to. Not to mention, putting just one player on LTIR, which any team can/will need to in just about any season, essentially offsets the cap space taken. Money is fungible. If the Sabres can't get the players they want or need, the bonus overages will not be the reason.
- buffalofan19

Nobody sane is saying the overage will hurt the construction of the team.

The point is that it was a completely avoidable situation and one that you would have thought the cap genius would have avoided.

Nobody sane is saying the overage will hurt the construction of the team.

The point is that it was a completely avoidable situation and one that you would have thought the cap genius would have avoided.
- kingcong39

like having a 1 eye goalie on the roster playing because you don't have cap space to put a third goalie on the roster due to having all those right shot d men?

Nobody sane is saying the overage will hurt the construction of the team.

The point is that it was a completely avoidable situation and one that you would have thought the cap genius would have avoided.
- kingcong39

Why did he need to avoid something that doesn't really hurt him this season?

hey fellas,

came in to clarify a few things. Winnipeg media DOES NOT THINK Laine is worth Eichel, the point they were trying to make is, it would take a huge offer to get Laine. Laine since coming in to the NHL has only had 6 players in the entire league score more goals than him, 6!! that's it. All the while never ( or at the very least very rarely ) playing with our top line center in Sheifele. If you honestly think Olafsson will do this, great, if he is going to score that many goals on your PP and 2nd line, great.

our main point is you don't trade a 22 year old Laine for Risto or Montour, Asplaud and a 2nd rounder. that should never happen. the guy would score 50 goals a year for the next 8 years on Eichels wing.
- Ross77

His most common linemate during the 19-20 regular season at 64% was Scheifele.

His most common linemate during the 18-19 regular season was Little.

https://frozenpool.dobber...9&period=ALL&situation=EV

Why did he need to avoid something that doesn't really hurt him this season?
- buffalofan19

It doesn't hurt the Sabres to have an $80m cap instead of $81.5?

Sure, but you can't simply rollover the $1.5m cap overage for a decade. The sabres have to eat that this year, with a flat cap, which puts them at a disadvantage. $1.5 less to spend with a stagnant cap is not irrelevant. The fact that it was incurred on a 26th place team to acquire Frolik of all people makes it even dumber
- jcragcrumple

You essentially are doing just that, by rolling over the overages earned year-over-year.

It doesn't hurt the Sabres to have an $80m cap instead of $81.5?
- jcragcrumple

Not if you have a better financial IQ than a rock it doesn't.

Look, if you want to blame Botterill for the on-ice construction of this roster, I'm right there with you. However, the Sabres' cap situation is more than ideal to improve this roster, assuming someone competent is making moves.

hey fellas,

came in to clarify a few things. Winnipeg media DOES NOT THINK Laine is worth Eichel, the point they were trying to make is, it would take a huge offer to get Laine. Laine since coming in to the NHL has only had 6 players in the entire league score more goals than him, 6!! that's it. All the while never ( or at the very least very rarely ) playing with our top line center in Sheifele. If you honestly think Olafsson will do this, great, if he is going to score that many goals on your PP and 2nd line, great.

our main point is you don't trade a 22 year old Laine for Risto or Montour, Asplaud and a 2nd rounder. that should never happen. the guy would score 50 goals a year for the next 8 years on Eichels wing.
- Ross77

I will say that when the suggestion is we won’t trade Laine, and about 5/6 (including the media member) says well for Eichel, and the response is lukewarm on the idea, then that’s exactly the opposite of what they think. And Laine’s defense is absolutely atrocious. And he’ll prolly demand to get paid close to Eichel money while being a one dimensional winger (granted the most important dimension in being an absolutely lethal scoring machine). He’s not close to Eichel value, and would take a lot more on top for Buf to even consider. Imo of course.

Not if you have a better financial IQ than a rock it doesn't.
- buffalofan19

Creative accounting aside, $81.5>$80m. This is the year you want every penny of the cap available to hopefully take advantage of a team who has to shed players. It absolutely impacts the Sabres, unless the Pegulas were only going to spend $75m anyway. Then I agree, it's irrelevant

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- navinrjohnson

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Creative accounting aside, $81.5>$80m. This is the year you want every penny of the cap available to hopefully take advantage of a team who has to shed players. It absolutely impacts the Sabres, unless the Pegulas were only going to spend $75m anyway. Then I agree, it's irrelevant
- jcragcrumple

And with tools such as LTIR, the 10% offseason overage rule, bonus deferrals, and, if you want to get real maniacal, finding a mysterious staph infection in Kyle Okposo's equipment (I'm kidding about the last one...probably), you can absolutely still do that. $1.5 million of overages will not prevent it.

And with tools such as LTIR, the 10% offseason overage rule, bonus deferrals, and, if you want to get real maniacal, finding a mysterious staph infection in Kyle Okposo's equipment (I'm kidding about the last one...probably), you can absolutely still do that. $1.5 million of overages will not prevent it.
- buffalofan19

Add Hodgson’s almost $800k and $2.3 mil could be a very useful player.

Just a thought.

The fire stick apps that you download through filelinked are better than using the duplex app on your tv.

Better TV guide.
- dadeadhead

got it, many thanks

And with tools such as LTIR, the 10% offseason overage rule, bonus deferrals, and, if you want to get real maniacal, finding a mysterious staph infection in Kyle Okposo's equipment (I'm kidding about the last one...probably), you can absolutely still do that. $1.5 million of overages will not prevent it.
- buffalofan19

LTIR has repercussions as well. It's not as simple as a "get out of jail free" card. Im pretty sure Lunaion is the only one who actually understands it in full though, so I'm not even going to pretend I understand the nuances.

The bottom line is cap guru put us at a competitive disadvantage to acquire frolik, and now we have to creatively account our way out. Services = missed

Add Hodgson’s almost $800k and $2.3 mil could be a very useful player.

Just a thought.
- dadeadhead

good chunk of what would be needed to sign Jesper Fast

Imagine the Florida Panthers spending the necessary funds on a GM search to hire Bill Zito instead of just saying, well, we know this guy, he's successful at other stuff so let's make him GM in a year where he has literally one season to succeed.

*There is zero proof he won't succeed, or be a better GM than Bill Zito
- TheSabresTaco

the one good thing for kevy.. the bar is extremely low..

Add Hodgson’s almost $800k and $2.3 mil could be a very useful player.

Just a thought.
- dadeadhead

Sure, but even if you take out the Frolik deal, and were able to absorb the all the overages in 2020, you would still need to upgrade this roster via trade. The free agent market isn't good enough to get this team where it needs to be, and there are too many bodies on the roster. This team has more than enough wiggle room cap-wise to do that. The question is whether or not Kevyn Adams has the capability (and the balls) to pull off a trade, not whether or not he can fit players under the cap, regardless of the overages.

His most common linemate during the 19-20 regular season at 64% was Scheifele.

His most common linemate during the 18-19 regular season was Little.

https://frozenpool.dobber...9&period=ALL&situation=EV
- kingcong39

I appreciate you sending this, but I can assure, its not remotely true. I watched every single Jets game and he played less than 7 games with shiefle.

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- navinrjohnson

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