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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:39 PM ET
I think his specific point is that sometime during the time the guy stood up from the ground, slowly walked from the rear passenger side of the car to the front driver side of the car, and attempted to open the car door, the three police officers should have detained him.
- JetpackJesus


This guy gets it 👏👏👏
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Aug 27 @ 10:40 PM ET
Trump! Biden gave them hugs... and kisses!
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 10:41 PM ET
If he turns & is walking out the back door...
then they have NO RIGHT to shoot him in the back

If he comes at them or anyone else with the knife,
the yes, shoot

- jdfitz77

we all agree if he stopped when they said drop the knife, he probably would be walking today, right?
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 10:43 PM ET
This guy gets it 👏👏👏
- jdfitz77

what would you have done, when he continues to walk toward his car, after you say drop the knife?


serious question because the guy was not stepping into his car, and when you grab him he is resisting

and you have no clue what he is reaching for in his car



serious question
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:46 PM ET
we all agree if he stopped when they said drop the knife, he probably would be walking today, right?
- navinrjohnson


Yes

We should also all agree that shooting someone in the back 7 times is completely unacceptable

And if u wanna play that game...
we should also agree that if the Coos detained him properly when on the passenger side of the car he’d still be standing
Or if the cops property detainees him while he was WALKING back to the driver side, then he’d still be standing

Not listening to the cops DOES NOT justify using lethal force to shoot someone in the back
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 10:49 PM ET
Yes

We should also all agree that shooting someone in the back 7 times is completely unacceptable

And if u wanna play that game...
we should also agree that if the Coos detained him properly when on the passenger side of the car he’d still be standing
Or if the cops property detainees him while he was WALKING back to the driver side, then he’d still be standing

Not listening to the cops DOES NOT justify using lethal force to shoot someone in the back

- jdfitz77

I don't think life and death is a game


I guess my point is as long as people refuse to stop when cops ask them to stop there will be deaths, black and white


respect is a two way street and both sides could probably use a refresher course on that
JetpackJesus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Honolulu, HI
Joined: 08.27.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:49 PM ET
if a cop has it's lights on, and you do not pull over


and eventually they shoot the tire because you refuse to pull over, is it their fault you die when the car crashes, or your fault



not you of course

- navinrjohnson

I'm pretty sure our resident LEO would confirm that cops aren't allowed to do that, so I would put that 100% on the cops.

Resisting arrest and running away from the cops are not capital offenses in every jurisdiction in the United States.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:55 PM ET
I don't think life and death is a game


I guess my point is as long as people refuse to stop when cops ask them to stop there will be deaths, black and white


respect is a two way street and both sides could probably use a refresher course on that

- navinrjohnson


I look at it this way. If I see a car going the wrong way down a one way street, and I still step out into the road anyway, it's my fault when I get hit whether I get hurt or killed. It doesn't matter whether the guy was drunk, an bumhole, or just plain stupid. He shouldn't have been there. I still could have avoided injury by not stepping out into the road. What David Blake did was the equivalent of doing just that.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:56 PM ET
what would you have done, when he continues to walk toward his car, after you say drop the knife?


serious question because the guy was not stepping into his car, and when you grab him he is resisting

and you have no clue what he is reaching for in his car



serious question

- navinrjohnson


Doesn’t matter
You can’t shoot someone bc of what he MIGHT be reaching for
It could’ve been a water bottle for all we know

If for some reason i (and the other officers) couldn’t detain him like we SHOULD HAVE
And it got to the point where i had to follow him to the driver’s side...

Then i would’ve made sure to GIVE MYSELF SPACE if he had a knife, not walk right up & grab him by the back of the shirt where he could then turn around & stab me

You’re also assuming he had the knife the whole time, and we don’t know that
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 10:56 PM ET
I'm pretty sure our resident LEO would confirm that cops aren't allowed to do that, so I would put that 100% on the cops.

Resisting arrest and running away from the cops are not capital offenses in every jurisdiction in the United States.

- JetpackJesus

ok,say they chase him, he spins out loses control and kills 3 people on the sidewalk



navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 10:57 PM ET
Doesn’t matter
You can’t shoot someone bc of what he MIGHT be reaching for

- jdfitz77

ok, so if the guy had a gun, bang bang

what do you tell the cops wife at his funeral?


again when a cop says stop

stop


it's pretty simple
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:58 PM ET
I don't think life and death is a game


I guess my point is as long as people refuse to stop when cops ask them to stop there will be deaths, black and white


respect is a two way street and both sides could probably use a refresher course on that

- navinrjohnson


Sure

But not listening to a cop is not justification to shoot someone in the back, let alone 7 times
mes418
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.20.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:58 PM ET
Doesn’t matter
You can’t shoot someone bc of what he MIGHT be reaching for
It could’ve been a water bottle for all we know

If for some reason i (and the other officers) couldn’t detain him like we SHOULD HAVE
And it got to the point where i had to follow him to the driver’s side...

Then i would’ve made sure to GIVE MYSELF SPACE if he had a knife, not walk right up & grab him by the back of the shirt where he could then turn around & stab me

You’re also assuming he had the knife the whole time, and we don’t know that

- jdfitz77


And there is the fault in your argument. Of course they can shoot you if you're reaching for something unknown after you've been non-compliant.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 10:59 PM ET
ok, so if the guy had a gun, bang bang

what do you tell the cops wife at his funeral?


again when a cop says stop

stop


it's pretty simple

- navinrjohnson


Then u shoot him before he shoots you
If you’re a well trained officer, that shouldn’t be a problem

If MULTIPLE COPS had detained him correctly in the first place, then it also never would’ve gotten to that point
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 11:01 PM ET
ok, so if the guy had a gun, bang bang

what do you tell the cops wife at his funeral?


again when a cop says stop

stop


it's pretty simple

- navinrjohnson



And what’s with this scream name?
Is Homie banned again?😂😂😂
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 11:04 PM ET
And what’s with this scream name?
Is Homie banned again?😂😂😂

- jdfitz77

I have no clue who homie is


I am a busy executive that sells designer glasses


Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Aug 27 @ 11:04 PM ET
For the people living in denial there are photos with Blake carrying a knife BEFORE going to his car. Hence the police attempting to taze him and drawing guns on him.

Just because you don’t believe evidence and facts doesn’t mean it’s not real. Jacob Blake himself confirmed to DOJ he was armed with a knife. Those pesky facts though
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 11:04 PM ET
And there is the fault in your argument. Of course they can shoot you if you're reaching for something unknown after you've been non-compliant.
- mes418


This isn’t MY argument
It’s HOMIE’S theoretical situation on how things went down
He’s assuming things we don’t know

And i still disagree regardless...
a cop isn’t allowed to shoot someone in the back 7 times bc he might be reaching for something

That’s why this guy will be arrested too
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Aug 27 @ 11:05 PM ET
Then u shoot him before he shoots you
If you’re a well trained officer, that shouldn’t be a problem

If MULTIPLE COPS had detained him correctly in the first place, then it also never would’ve gotten to that point

- jdfitz77



Sounds like you know so much about Police tactics. It’s crazy how your just a bartender
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Aug 27 @ 11:05 PM ET
I think his specific point is that sometime during the time the guy stood up from the ground, slowly walked from the rear passenger side of the car to the front driver side of the car, and attempted to open the car door, the three police officers should have detained him.
- JetpackJesus



They tried. He was holding a knife
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 27 @ 11:06 PM ET
guy has a knife, won't drop it. just detain him with the knife in his hand? that's unreasonable and absolutely ridiculous.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 27 @ 11:06 PM ET
For the people living in denial there are photos with Blake carrying a knife BEFORE going to his car. Hence the police attempting to taze him and drawing guns on him.

Just because you don’t believe evidence and facts doesn’t mean it’s not real. Jacob Blake himself confirmed to DOJ he was armed with a knife. Those pesky facts though

- Fattony1187


1- never said he didn’t have a knife before
2- let’s see the photo
3- he never “broke free” & ran away
4- he got up and WALKED away
5- none of that justifies him being shot in the back

6- thought u were “done with this”
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 27 @ 11:06 PM ET
Sounds like you know so much about Police tactics. It’s crazy how your just a barback
- Fattony1187

fixed
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Aug 27 @ 11:07 PM ET
And there is the fault in your argument. Of course they can shoot you if you're reaching for something unknown after you've been non-compliant.
- mes418

maybe it's time to roll back time served in prison


if you do the crime, sere the full time

the guy in florida that killed 3 guys had over 230 felony criminal charges in his arrest history

15 felony convictions on his record


26 years old, why was he walking the streets?
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Aug 27 @ 11:07 PM ET
This isn’t MY argument
It’s HOMIE’S theoretical situation on how things went down
He’s assuming things we don’t know

And i still disagree regardless...
a cop isn’t allowed to shoot someone in the back 7 times bc he might be reaching for something

That’s why this guy will be arrested too

- jdfitz77



Supreme Court disagrees with you but hey your a bartender, you probably know more than them
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