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bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 24 @ 9:42 PM ET
The flyers can play with the isles. The problem is the flyers best players again are no shows. I don’t think Giroux’s and Couturier’s heads and hearts are in this.
Far to many lackadaisical plays by both.
There isn’t much more AV can do with the lineup.
I think we see Haag back in.
Grant probably out and Bunnaman in.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 24 @ 9:42 PM ET
Love the majority of our players but we need guys who will outmuscle whoever they are up again. Weber did it by himself. Now the Islanders fourth line is doing it.

I actually like Thompson so I won’t bash him but Derek Grant. What a bland, offers nothing player. He was on a roll when we traded for him. He was having a nice season. Season stops, four or five months goes by and he’s back to being exactly what he was.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 24 @ 9:42 PM ET
I’m not sure what adjustments you can make when coots and g don’t show up.....a few games ...ok...but they have now played 10 -11 games and both have really not played well. If they miss their babies....fine go home. (frank).
- landros 2



This seems to be the consensus opinion here, but I disagree. I disagree they were invisible.

What is the most concerning is that even after relentless pressure, they could not break through.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 24 @ 9:43 PM ET
Laughton too.
- arichardson22


With the exception of maybe Voracek, every single veteran key player on this team has been underwhelming. They beat the Habs simply because they weren't that good. The Isles team is much better. Equal to if not better defensively and far better offensively. The Flyers anemic offense is not going to be enough to beat the Isles if they don't improve. It was obvious in the Montreal series. It's obvious now.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 24 @ 9:43 PM ET
The flyers can play with the isles. The problem is the flyers best players again are no shows. I don’t think Giroux’s and Couturier’s heads and hearts are in this.
Far to many lackadaisical plays by both.
There isn’t much more AV can do with the lineup.
I think we see Haag back in.
Grant probably out and Bunnaman in.

- bird_dog_pa

Is this where we are? Connor Bunnaman is our last hope?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 24 @ 9:43 PM ET
I add teeks to that list. Nice that you’re trying this last game but you’re not getting it done. Hayes coots g and teeks. They don’t show up, and this ones over.
- Hextall271



For sure....
dmleip
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.04.2009

Aug 24 @ 9:44 PM ET
The PP is so hard to watch. I couldn’t hate their breakout more. It takes them less time entering the zone at 5 on 5.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 24 @ 9:44 PM ET
The flyers can play with the isles. The problem is the flyers best players again are no shows. I don’t think Giroux’s and Couturier’s heads and hearts are in this.
Far to many lackadaisical plays by both.
There isn’t much more AV can do with the lineup.
I think we see Haag back in.
Grant probably out and Bunnaman in.

- bird_dog_pa


I think that would be a mistake. I think Ghost is a risky proposition but in this kind of a game, the upside outweighs the downsides.

I would actually stick with the lineup and substitute Farabee for Laughton.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 24 @ 9:45 PM ET
Perhaps we’ll see jvr and hagg in.
- Hextall271


Ha I forgot JVR was on the team.

Sure would be nice to have Oskar and Nopa playing.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 24 @ 9:45 PM ET
With the exception of maybe Voracek, every single veteran key player on this team has been underwhelming. They beat the Habs simply because they weren't that good. The Isles team is much better. Equal to if not better defensively and far better offensively. The Flyers anemic offense is not going to be enough to beat the Isles if they don't improve. It was obvious in the Montreal series. It's obvious now.
- MJL


I’m not singling him out just adding him to the long list as you mentioned yourself. Don’t disagree with anything you’re saying. Not pleases with this team right now. Very frustrating to watch.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 24 @ 9:45 PM ET
this is why you care about how the team wins.
no chemistry. no skilled plays, cant turn it on like a switch.
as i posted, team playing october level hockey. short series most likely if the top 6 dont start playing like it

- biggbear77


The second period was October level hockey?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 24 @ 9:46 PM ET

What is the most concerning is that even after relentless pressure, they could not break through.

- PT21


Well it takes relentless pressure for more that one period to break through. That's what is most concerning. What don't you get? Do it for 3 periods, play a complete game and see what happens. I should review every comment you've made during the Montreal series and before this game and compare to the statements I made. See who is on target and who isn't.


BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Aug 24 @ 9:47 PM ET
Should've played Haag.
- MJL


They will next game and they will win.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 24 @ 9:47 PM ET
Is this where we are? Connor Bunnaman is our last hope?
- SuperSchennBros


Who said anything about last hope. Your not near any bridges are you?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 24 @ 9:47 PM ET
This seems to be the consensus opinion here, but I disagree. I disagree they were invisible.

What is the most concerning is that even after relentless pressure, they could not break through.

- PT21


These guys are paid to score...they aren’t ...they aren’t really getting many quality chances....some but not many. I guess I’m just not seeing what you are. You can’t show up every third or fourth shift.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 24 @ 9:48 PM ET
Love the majority of our players but we need guys who will outmuscle whoever they are up again. Weber did it by himself. Now the Islanders fourth line is doing it.

I actually like Thompson so I won’t bash him but Derek Grant. What a bland, offers nothing player. He was on a roll when we traded for him. He was having a nice season. Season stops, four or five months goes by and he’s back to being exactly what he was.

- SuperSchennBros


When Giroux, Konecny, and Couturier have combined for zero goals in 11 playoff games, Grant really is the least of their problems.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 24 @ 9:49 PM ET
Who said anything about last hope. Your not near any bridges are you?
- bird_dog_pa

You admittingly forgot about JvR.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Aug 24 @ 9:49 PM ET
Ha I forgot JVR was on the team.

Sure would be nice to have Oskar and Nopa playing.

- bird_dog_pa



Nopa ? Lol
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Aug 24 @ 9:49 PM ET
The second period was October level hockey?
- PT21


No goals... So yeah!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 24 @ 9:50 PM ET
They will next game and they will win.
- BenderRodriguez


We'll see. There is no reason to play Haag over Gostisbehere.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 24 @ 9:51 PM ET
When Giroux, Konecny, and Couturier have combined for zero goals in 11 playoff games, Grant really is the least of their problems.
- PLindbergh31


So at what point do we blame the coaching staff? I know Bill will name Alain Vigneault’s resume but I don’t give a poop. We had five potential 20 goal scorers, not including Voracek. Play all of them and play them in a position that works to their strengths.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Aug 24 @ 9:52 PM ET
We'll see. There is no reason to play Haag over Gostisbehere.
- MJL



you are kind of a (frank)ing moron, aren't ya?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
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Aug 24 @ 9:52 PM ET
We'll see. There is no reason to play Haag over Gostisbehere.
- MJL

I’m sorry but I could go either way. Hägg isn’t Chris McAllister.
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Aug 24 @ 9:52 PM ET
We'll see. There is no reason to play Haag over Gostisbehere.
- MJL


He certainly wasn't the problem tonight. I really want Ghost to make a difference, but you could say that about a majority of the team.

Play a full 60 next game and they should win.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 24 @ 9:53 PM ET
I think that would be a mistake. I think Ghost is a risky proposition but in this kind of a game, the upside outweighs the downsides.

I would actually stick with the lineup and substitute Farabee for Laughton.

- PT21


Let’s keep hoping we get Ghost’s upside. He is what he is at this point in his career. Inconsistent, he doesn’t handle pressure deep in the dzone well at all.
Haag at least can win board battles. He’s no worse than Ghost with dzone clears under pressure.
Provorov jumps into play way more than Ghost does.
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