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scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Aug 18 @ 1:52 PM ET
Sounds similar to Saad, sounds like Morrison has a better shot, but not as good a skater as Saad. Can be a good player but no hall of famer.
- LAHawk

I can only go by the superlatives that are on the page. We'll agree to disagree on the write-up. Based on what you're saying here's the write up I would have expected:

He's strong, but that's against junior players, so unless he takes it to a whole other level, he'll be average NHL strength.
His skating isn't a strong point, so he's going to below water in the NHL.
He has a hard shot, but accuracy is a problem.
His upside is a 3rd or 4th line NHL wing. Downside is a career AHLer, or a trip to Europe.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 18 @ 1:53 PM ET
Hawks general manager Stan Bowman has now signed a quite sizable handful of prospects this summer: Morrison, Denver defenseman Ian Mitchell, Wisconsin defenseman Wyatt Kalynuk, Penn State forward Evan Barratt, Swiss forward Pius Suter, Russian forward Andrei Altybarmakyan and Czech forwards Michal Teply and Matej Chalupa.

Those signings not only add a lot of depth and talent to the Hawks' prospect pipeline, but also imply significant overhaul of the IceHogs' roster may be imminent. Anton Wedin and Jacob Nilsson already left for Europe, and Alexandre Fortin, Joseph Cramarossa, Joni Tuulola, Ian McCoshen and T.J. Brennan are all free agents.

- rpeters01

Yes, lots of turnover in Rockford but the players moving on are those who weren't going to make a difference anyway. The players coming in have greater potential to work with.

Preliminary lineup in Rockford:

Hagel/D Sikura - Kurashev - Quenneville
Altybarmakyan - Entwistle - Barratt
Soderlund - T Sikura - Busdeker
Moutrey - Johnson - Hakkarainen
Morrison

Beaudin - Krys
Kalynuk - Mitchell
Gilbert - Regula
Osipov

Delia
Lankinen
Tomkins

I see either Hagel or D Sikura on the Blackhawks roster next season.

Carlsson should make the roster if one of de Haan or Maatta is gone or Seabrook is not 100% as he says he will be.

Fortin is a free agent and I can't see him being re-signed.

McKay, Gagne, G Mitchell, Fossier, and McLaughlin are on AHL deals so they'll spend time in Indy as much as Rockford unless T Sikura and Moutrey aren't retained (the Hogs need their veteran leadership, though).
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 1:58 PM ET
Discounting what they are listed at and their compete level, the eye test says Dach is significantly bigger than Strome. To a point of course compete level matters but 185 just isn't going to get it done against players like Reeves. Furthermore, the way Drake plays his career will end early.
- rpeters01


Players like Reeves are on a lot of teams. Yes, the Hawks could use a couple guys like that. However, by and large, you need players that know how - and have the ability - to play hockey. It's not enough to just have the size. We've seen that movie before.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 18 @ 2:16 PM ET
Yes, lots of turnover in Rockford but the players moving on are those who weren't going to make a difference anyway. The players coming in have greater potential to work with.

Preliminary lineup in Rockford:

Hagel/D Sikura - Kurashev - Quenneville
Altybarmakyan - Entwistle - Barratt
Soderlund - T Sikura - Busdeker
Moutrey - Johnson - Hakkarainen
Morrison

Beaudin - Krys
Kalynuk - Mitchell
Gilbert - Regula
Osipov

Delia
Lankinen
Tomkins

I see either Hagel or D Sikura on the Blackhawks roster next season.

Carlsson should make the roster if one of de Haan or Maatta is gone or Seabrook is not 100% as he says he will be.

Fortin is a free agent and I can't see him being re-signed.

McKay, Gagne, G Mitchell, Fossier, and McLaughlin are on AHL deals so they'll spend time in Indy as much as Rockford unless T Sikura and Moutrey aren't retained (the Hogs need their veteran leadership, though).

- AEL_Fox


Agreed. Man, since coming on so strong as a training camp invitee he didn't do much after being signed. I expect the Hawks will let him walk, I can see any team wanting to trade for Fortin. It's too bad, the kid has lots of speed and could have been useful.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 2:22 PM ET
Agreed. Man, since coming on so strong as a training camp invitee he didn't do much after being signed. I expect the Hawks will let him walk, I can see any team wanting to trade for Fortin. It's too bad, the kid has lots of speed and could have been useful.
- DarthKane


He seemed to have carved out a role as a 3rd/4th liner with the Hogs. Maybe he'll become someone else's Tyler Motte.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 18 @ 2:26 PM ET
Hawks general manager Stan Bowman has now signed a quite sizable handful of prospects this summer: Morrison, Denver defenseman Ian Mitchell, Wisconsin defenseman Wyatt Kalynuk, Penn State forward Evan Barratt, Swiss forward Pius Suter, Russian forward Andrei Altybarmakyan and Czech forwards Michal Teply and Matej Chalupa.

Those signings not only add a lot of depth and talent to the Hawks' prospect pipeline, but also imply significant overhaul of the IceHogs' roster may be imminent. Anton Wedin and Jacob Nilsson already left for Europe, and Alexandre Fortin, Joseph Cramarossa, Joni Tuulola, Ian McCoshen and T.J. Brennan are all free agents.

- rpeters01



Stan's done a good job re-stocking the prospect pipeline. What I really like about the Suter, Morrison and Kalynuk deals (aside from the fact that they cost nothing to acquire) is that they are further along in their development and could be in the NHL fairly soon. We all know that most of the prospects won't make the Hawks or even the NHL, it's a game of odds and Stan's positioned the Hawks well.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 18 @ 2:27 PM ET
He seemed to have carved out a role as a 3rd/4th liner with the Hogs. Maybe he'll become someone else's Tyler Motte.
- Chunk



Possibly, for his sake I hope he does.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
He seemed to have carved out a role as a 3rd/4th liner with the Hogs. Maybe he'll become someone else's Tyler Motte.
- Chunk

Fortin was much improved from his prior years and I thought he was a shoo-in to be re-signed during the early parts of the shutdown.

He could still be retained but the recent free agent signings, including minor league ones, started to make things tighter as far as the depth chart.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Aug 18 @ 2:39 PM ET
Probably right, just forward depth for Rockford, but maybe he can turn into a Kunitz, Bozak or Dustin Penner. Jimmy Vesey has been a bust, If Morrison turns into a Barclay Goodrow would be good enough for me.
- LAHawk
Ya, you never know unless you sign the guy. Free asset
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Aug 18 @ 2:50 PM ET
Please remember, this was written by me watching a young junior player playing against juniors in a time when you could even argue the United States Hockey League at the time wasn't attracting the high amounts of skilled players it does now...

The chasm between being a junior prospect playing in teams with many a weak sister team in the leagues, and playing against theist in the world is large.
that chasm closes with prospects doing the things that lead to the next steps...and some will beware figure it out.

As Said last night the. college route is a perfect place for the NHL to harvest "heavy" players...just looking at the additions the last couple, you see kids from strong. collegiate programs where their Pius strong emphasis on hard defensive play being signed and having success at the NHl level.

pick a team find a non household hockey name and research it and I bet you can find lost of what I am talking about.

Bottom line, you dont know what you get until there starts to be results, growth and that light to come on (like with Dach) where the prospect realizes, I CAN play with these guys...

so the jury is out..no he's not the next Pacoretty or the next Bickell yet,, just
let it happen...or not.

(Go read what I (AND EVERYONE else!) said about Nail Yakopov-that tells you how much depends upon what happens with the young guys after the draft selection.
https://www.draftsite.com...layer/nail-yakupov/17126/

- wiz1901

Trying not to be an ass, but you're making my point for me. We understand that the guys that get drafted are the elite of either Canadian Junior, USHL or NCAA. Just asking for a balanced report that gives BOTH their good points and their not so good points. I'll guarantee you, every amateur player has flaws. Let us know what they are.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Aug 18 @ 2:52 PM ET
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- AEL_Fox


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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 2:57 PM ET
Fortin was much improved from his prior years and I thought he was a shoo-in to be re-signed during the early parts of the shutdown.

He could still be retained but the recent free agent signings, including minor league ones, started to make things tighter as far as the depth chart.

- AEL_Fox


Hey Theo. Any idea about where Kalynuk slots? Is he mostly expected to be a Rockford body, or does he have a legit shot at the Hawks? He apparently has a little more size than Boqvist/Beaudin, but also is noted for his offense. I haven't found much tape on him.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Aug 18 @ 3:02 PM ET
Dale Hawerchuk just died of cancer.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 18 @ 3:23 PM ET
Hey Theo. Any idea about where Kalynuk slots? Is he mostly expected to be a Rockford body, or does he have a legit shot at the Hawks? He apparently has a little more size than Boqvist/Beaudin, but also is noted for his offense. I haven't found much tape on him.
- Chunk

Kalynuk has a strong shot at making it to the NHL within a year or so but could also surprise like van Riemsdyk and make it right away.

The advantages that Kalynuk has are his superb skating and ability to actually defend.

As Darth mentioned, the upshot of the recent signings (Kalynuk, Suter, Morrison) is that they're further along in their development. Yet, they will still each develop at different rates.

Suter seems like a given to make the Hawks out of camp. Morrison is a longer shot, IMO, but still worth developing as a much needed power forward.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Aug 18 @ 4:00 PM ET
Agreed. Man, since coming on so strong as a training camp invitee he didn't do much after being signed. I expect the Hawks will let him walk, I can see any team wanting to trade for Fortin. It's too bad, the kid has lots of speed and could have been useful.
- DarthKane


I was thinking the same thing about Fortin, probably gone. I would not be surprised if the Hawks move on from one or two of Sikura, Quenneville, Gilbert, Nilsson either. Stan will probably be making a trade or two between now and next season and I assume there will be "pieces" to those deals.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Aug 18 @ 4:21 PM ET
Players like Reeves are on a lot of teams. Yes, the Hawks could use a couple guys like that. However, by and large, you need players that know how - and have the ability - to play hockey. It's not enough to just have the size. We've seen that movie before.
- Chunk

Agree and heart and want to play in the dirty areas.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 18 @ 4:28 PM ET
Hopefully Vlasic isn't "Lurch." Isn't Entwistle something like a buck 85 in weight?
- rpeters01


Vlasic moves easily for such a big guy...
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 18 @ 4:52 PM ET
Vlasic moves easily for such a big guy...
- wiz1901


From what I've seen and read, he is actually a very good skater. The knock on him thus far has been his defense and strength. I haven't followed up on how he played this past season, but he is one that I'm hoping pans out. Just to have a player with that stature on the back end (that can actually play well) always appealed to me.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:19 PM ET
Trying not to be an ass, but you're making my point for me. We understand that the guys that get drafted are the elite of either Canadian Junior, USHL or NCAA. Just asking for a balanced report that gives BOTH their good points and their not so good points. I'll guarantee you, every amateur player has flaws. Let us know what they are.
- scottak


I didn't actually know we were in a debate.
(You are making me self-conscious, like I jumped into some healthy argument with someone and I was posting simply to take a side...I was not, in anyway trying to do that.) So now, I will take the time to go back some pages puzzled by the "ass" statement, and I found this that you posted:

Wiz, I love draft previews, but I really wish they were more fair and balanced. Not just you, but every one who does them. If you listen to the NHL Network coverage of the draft, every player is touted as a future HOFer. And we all know that only a small percentage of draftees will even make the big show.

You list 15 lines of positives, and 1 of negatives ('needs time'). How about equal positives and negatives? Let us know what the holes in his game are, because there have to be plenty, as there are with almost every prospect.

- scottak


My point was what I wrote was from 2015-16 no more no less. ABOUT a candidate for the NHL not a sure-fire lock.
And when you are looking at juniors and posting them for fan consumption, you try and see the draft as the fans do: the savior player is there for your team, or the missing ingredient may be present in that prospect.


Believe me, it becomes difficult for me to
write these profiles year after year and not sound completely repetitive,
and sometimes I am counting on YOU as a reader to see the PLACE I HAVE Cameron Morrison ranked at - 36th overall as the balance to the positives.
Earlier he was at 40th, 44th overall, 49th overall, 53rd overalll and 73rd....even earlier
ALL that is THERE on the site. That trend tells me anyway that he might be worthy of 2nd round selection based on positives.
YOU THINK TEAMS say, "Well, he is horrible at this and this so we will take him in the second!"

So...back to reality 2016....a fan of Colorado after they select him, comes to Draftsite reads the profile....
1) Do you think after they read it they gained any insight?

2) Do you think they read my words and thought the Avs snookered 39 other teams when they took him???????????????????????????

Because I think they see the ranking and use common sense to see this guy is a guy ranked as second rounder with a chance. They get the same happy vibe post draft that a Hawk fan got about Michal Teplý in the 4th-they should get H O P E.

And since you ruffled my feathers I want you to know that is starts to get to be tedious to FIND enough positives when you get in the draft board as it winds past the prominent accomplished prospects and so if you go and READ any 2020 Draft profiles on DraftSite RIGHT NOW (your choice) that are there in the later rounds, you will find more than enough criticism with me trying to sugar coat positives.

And I know I have great freedom on the site to say what I want, and I am grateful to have that distinct freedom, and that all I say is at one place.
Try finding the past works of my buddy Shane Malloy & Russ Cochran from their radio work, or the past five years of Corey Pronman in one spot.
(and the biggest knock I have with Corey is he will place a negative and never walk off it, so you see so many of his second rounders drafted in the first...well maybe not this time since he suddenly had a vision, and his board changed to one very similar to a certain free site that Wiz posts.)

But for your sanity I will re-iterate and add to Cam Morrison.

Most fans (and I) think second rounders have a chance for NHL success, so that when I put one in the second round, I think he can be there, and belongs to be based on POSITIVES
At the time Cam Morrison was a large beast of a kid who knew how to play to his strengths. SHOULD HAVE I said his success was against players in the USHL ?

Should have added that at time, that, Cam Morrison, on offensive forays in the front or along the boards had him engaged, and when the puck transitioned, he was lagging and sometimes unable to be part of the defensive end answer?
Sure.

But to me. I saw a hunk of clay that could be sculpted and wrote the profile that way.
My apologies that I wasn't more critical.

and here is the Boqvist, pretty honest I think:
This draft will be marked with an unprecedented number of highly sought after skilled attacking defensemen who are average or under-sized with little physicality. This player compensates for it with terrific hands and ability to push the pace, doing a decent job in his own end using his skill set. In the Swedish junior league, Boqvist showcased a nice shot, high end speed, and agility. He may very well be the top finesse and fine-edge-skating defenseman in the draft, displaying great balance and lateral mobility. He is lightning fast and has great vision. He distributes the puck unselfishly and he jumps in on the attack -- sometimes leading it. He opens up and delivers a very accurate one timer. As a slight, smaller player, he gets overtaken, losing puck battles to the bigger players. Does show good vision in both ends but it is a bigger challenge in his own end. His fast feet help negate some of his problems in the defensive zone, but it is difficult to ignore his defensive zone positioning issues. As a lightweight anchor, he needs to fill out, get stronger, and build his defensive game. Another right handed shooting mobile defenseman.

LOL, sorry to sound like an executive with a bruised ego
but if you read my Michal Teplý profile below written prior to his draft, I think you can see the negatives are veiled:
Big off-hand left winger with soft hands, great physical attributes and an improved skating gear and footwork. Seems like a natural goal scorer with good mobility and pace to his game. Handles passes and in the Five Nations U-17, had a hat trick against the Finns. Improving as an attacker as his legs and hands are coming together. He has good vision and now is playing at a confident tempo. His co-ordination has progressed and was surprisingly physical against the Russians and applied strong forechecking pressure throughout the match. Lets go with dangerous shots through heavy traffic. Jets through open ice and his solid edging helps him cut out of traffic for a good look. He is still filling his frame in. A team captain, he is a prospect with considerable upside, because of his vision and execution on the power play. Uses his body to an advantage, and wants to be on the ice in crucial situations.
My point is to show why guys get picked, not dwell on negatives, or I would be posting all the 20230 pospect negatives in tweets in wee hours of the morning....

If I didn't want fans to return to the site, I could have strong negative opinions on most players past slot 19 in most draft years...
grinder10
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Joined: 04.04.2009

Aug 18 @ 5:21 PM ET
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cam+morrison+highlights&&view=detail&mid=D473FDDF4607D1CFF000D473FDDF4607D1CFF000&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcam%2Bmorrison%2Bhighlights%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

https://www.msn.com/en-us...lion-contract/ar-BB186Bfz

here is video from last 2 years. he was rated 31 st best NCAA player before the season.

- kmw4631


He looks like a load for defense at the college level. Strong kid and looks more skilled (including skating) than another big UFA forward that comes to mind--Kyle Baum
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Aug 18 @ 5:27 PM ET
Agreed. Man, since coming on so strong as a training camp invitee he didn't do much after being signed. I expect the Hawks will let him walk, I can see any team wanting to trade for Fortin. It's too bad, the kid has lots of speed and could have been useful.
- DarthKane


Yet another Bowman FAIL!
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:32 PM ET
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cam+morrison+highlights&&view=detail&mid=D473FDDF4607D1CFF000D473FDDF4607D1CFF000&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcam%2Bmorrison%2Bhighlights%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

https://www.msn.com/en-us...lion-contract/ar-BB186Bfz

here is video from last 2 years. he was rated 31 st best NCAA player before the season.

- kmw4631



You can see to of Cam Morrison strengths in the last part of the first video, his wall work, and him getting the body on his shot. Goodly amount of goals where he saw the pucks in midair and directed them too.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Aug 18 @ 6:35 PM ET
He looks like a load for defense at the college level. Strong kid and looks more skilled (including skating) than another big UFA forward that comes to mind--Kyle Baum
- grinder10


He also is 1 1/3 years younger when he graduated. Which might mean there is a little more upside
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Aug 18 @ 9:14 PM ET
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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 18 @ 9:21 PM ET
Yet another Bowman FAIL!
- HawkintheD


Why do you have to be so negative? Geeeshhh.
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