Changes will be made.

But fans thinking one of the big 4 needs to be moved is just poor judgment.

You can't will another team into wanting to trade away a young core D man. it doesn't work like that...It has to be a match made in heaven and that is rare.

Very good chance that there is no move to be made there this offseason.
- Santo_44

Nylander's value has never been higher: a great contract, 30 goal scorer, great mobility, and excellent zone entry capabilities (that rush with 30 seconds left in Game 4 was beautiful).

I'd hate to see him go but if the Leafs want to clear some cap space to balance the lineup more (e.g. adding a legit top pairing d-man), it's a necessary move.

Having a Werenski-Jones type top duo is necessary, I think. Rielly-*insert stud here* is essential.

AM34, Marner, and Snakevares are going nowhere which leaves Willie as the odd, an obvious, man out.

Only during the off-season I think.
- Garnie

LTIR also applies during the season dude

Nylander's value has never been higher: a great contract, 30 goal scorer, great mobility, and excellent zone entry capabilities (that rush with 30 seconds left in Game 4 was beautiful).

I'd hate to see him go but if the Leafs want to clear some cap space to balance the lineup more (e.g. adding a legit top pairing d-man), it's a necessary move.

Having a Jones-Werenski type top duo is necessary, I think. Rielly-*insert stud here* is essential.

AM34, Marner, and Snakevares are going nowhere which leaves Willie as the odd, an obvious, man out.
- mjones242

Where is this magical return coming from?

These 1 for 1 deals are rare and aren't always on the table. Teams don't like to trade away young core.

Provide reasons or GTFO.
- mjones242

Who the (frank) are you? Santo's big brother??

Provide reasons or GTFO.
- mjones242

He doesn't have anything to support his argument.

He is a pure complainer.

LTIR also applies during the season dude
- dmnted

Yes but I think all healthy players can only add up to $81m no? Not sure how it helps?

Changes will be made.

But fans thinking one of the big 4 needs to be moved is just poor judgment.

You can't will another team into wanting to trade away a young core D man. it doesn't work like that...It has to be a match made in heaven and that is rare.

Very good chance that there is no move to be made there this offseason.
- Santo_44

That's where you may need to sweeten it or take a little loss on the actual deal to "win" the deal for your team.

I think there is a group of mid level Leafs that can be traded to acquire a top 4 D w/o having to go to the big 4. Robertson with his contract and skill level has to be in the lineup full time. That allows for some middle 6 guys to be moved for D help.

I really don't think Murray is an upgrade at all on FA... Leafs would be better off giving the job to Jack C. and roll than bring Murray in. Then find a 750- 1 Mil backup.

This playoff is seeing average G win with good structure and D.

Leafs are a prime example of why games aren't played on paper but on the ice.

I think all Leaf fans can agree improvements need to be made...

The question becomes how and where to adjust to get the proper mix of D and F that make the team more than the sum of its individual parts.
- dozerD10

Has anyone suggested the Leafs have a balanced lineup that is built for a long playoff run "on paper"? I think everyone agrees that the Leafs are a flawed diamond: exceptional talent but grossly imbalanced.

It also doesn't help that this team has a goalie that has routinely poop the bed in deciding games and can't help but run the gauntlet of wild inconsistency throughout the course of a season.

Freddie has got to go and the D needs significant work.

That's where you may need to sweeten it or take a little loss on the actual deal to "win" the deal for your team.

I think there is a group of mid level Leafs that can be traded to acquire a top 4 D w/o having to go to the big 4. Robertson with his contract and skill level has to be in the lineup full time. That allows for some middle 6 guys to be moved for D help.

I really don't think Murray is an upgrade at all on FA... Leafs would be better off giving the job to Jack C. and roll than bring Murray in. Then find a 750- 1 Mil backup.

This playoff is seeing average G win with good structure and D.
- dozerD10

Not a good mindset on trading...You should never be okay with losing a trade. It will just come back to bite you.

As for Murray I think he is, FA has consistently been poop in deciding games. Murray has two cup rings and has shown he can win when it matters.

It is not as much as upgrading Freddy. It is finding a good goalie that can help this team get it done when it matters. Obviously FA isn't it.

That's where you may need to sweeten it or take a little loss on the actual deal to "win" the deal for your team.

I think there is a group of mid level Leafs that can be traded to acquire a top 4 D w/o having to go to the big 4. Robertson with his contract and skill level has to be in the lineup full time. That allows for some middle 6 guys to be moved for D help.

I really don't think Murray is an upgrade at all on FA... Leafs would be better off giving the job to Jack C. and roll than bring Murray in. Then find a 750- 1 Mil backup.

This playoff is seeing average G win with good structure and D.
- dozerD10

I suppose the question is: can the Leafs get a goalie for 5M (or less) who has the pedigree (or more) than Freddie?

Remember when leafs fans were like Vancouver and Montreal are years away and price is over the hill?
Ya well.

Has anyone suggested the Leafs have a balanced lineup that is built for a long playoff run "on paper"? I think everyone agrees that the Leafs are a flawed diamond: exceptional talent but grossly imbalanced.

It also doesn't help that this team has a goalie that has routinely poop the bed in deciding games and can't help but run the gauntlet of wild inconsistency throughout the course of a season.

Freddie has got to go and the D needs significant work.
- mjones242

Not every team wins the cup with their young players coming into the league right away.

I suppose the question is: can the Leafs get a goalie for 5M (or less) who has the pedigree (or more) than Freddie?
- mjones242

Sign Lehner, trade Freddie+ for a D.

Then watch players traded away win cup.

He doesn't have anything to support his argument.

He is a pure complainer.
- Santo_44

Results. Results are my support. Wins, losses. There's your numbers. You are what your record says you are. If you put Justin Holl full-time on the second pairing, it'll be more of the same.

Remember when leafs fans were like Vancouver and Montreal are years away and price is over the hill?
Ya well.
- Fakepartofme

It is round 1 of the playoffs.

It is round 1 of the playoffs.
- Santo_44

Oh yeah. We didn't make the playoffs this year.

Results. Results are my support. Wins, losses. There's your numbers. You are what your record says you are. If you put Justin Holl full-time on the second pairing, it'll be more of the same.
- fifty__missions

So you judge players by a teams record?

Echiel is a bad player I guess, his team has a poor record.

Keep giving me reasons to see that you are just complaining and not putting any real analysis into these "ideas" you have.

This is getting sad for you my friend.

Has anyone suggested the Leafs have a balanced lineup that is built for a long playoff run "on paper"? I think everyone agrees that the Leafs are a flawed diamond: exceptional talent but grossly imbalanced.

It also doesn't help that this team has a goalie that has routinely poop the bed in deciding games and can't help but run the gauntlet of wild inconsistency throughout the course of a season.

Freddie has got to go and the D needs significant work.
- mjones242

Everyone?
No no no for a long time it was only a couple of us saying the leafs arent built to win and rhe masses freaked out about it.
Only now are the masses like, you know what, maybe chsnges need to be made.

It is round 1 of the playoffs.
- Santo_44

and both look much better than the leafs have all year.

Everyone?
No no no for a long time it was only a couple of us saying the leafs arent built to win and rhe masses freaked out about it.
Only now are the masses like, you know what, maybe chsnges need to be made.
- Fakepartofme

Do you make rash decisions because some 22 year olds couldn't get it done?

If a big trade is there and is fair I think you do it now....but if its not you don't make a bad trade for the sake of a change.

There's a good argument. Throw out the years of consistent effort and kick him to the curb.

If it came down to $ I'd take Hyman on my Leafs team over Nylander every day of the week.
- fifty__missions

I never said to trade him. Try reading before responding.

The point is that almost everyone on the team failed to play at the level required. The fact that Hyman is included on that list is surprising but can’t be denied no matter how much you might love the guy.

and both look much better than the leafs have all year.
- Fakepartofme

Lets see how they do next year, the year after that.

Plenty of teams have gone on lengthy playoff runs only to be right where they are supposed to be the following year.

If we are going to sit here and put so much stock onto the Leafs season then the same must be done for MTL, the 24th place team.

Changes will be made.

But fans thinking one of the big 4 needs to be moved is just poor judgment.

You can't will another team into wanting to trade away a young core D man. it doesn't work like that...It has to be a match made in heaven and that is rare.

Very good chance that there is no move to be made there this offseason.
- Santo_44

thinking one of the big 4 couldn't be moved is equally poor judgement.
Teams are interested, but does it fit the leafs needs and make them better

I never said to trade him. Try reading before responding.

The point is that almost everyone on the team failed to play at the level required. The fact that Hyman is included on that list is surprising but can’t be denied no matter how much you might love the guy.
- Canada Cup

That is a lot to ask from him

Yes but I think all healthy players can only add up to $81m no? Not sure how it helps?
- Garnie

it allows the Leafs to go over the cap by the amount of LTIR
check out capfriendly right at the top.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

This years Leafs final cap hit was 95,178,332. Well above the 81M