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bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 13 @ 5:49 PM ET
I know I dont post too much, but I had some free time at work today and got ambitious. Please dont rip me apart too bad, I just wanted to have some fun and hopefully spark up some healthy debate about the glory years

Having so much fun watching these last few games and seeing the incredible potential of this team had me wondering how this team would stack up against the 2011 team that came just shy of winning it all. Below are both rosters with best case* lines. (*We can debate these all day)

2011 Lineup when fully healthy* (I realize that most never finished the season, but this is all hypothetical)
Burrows - Sedin - Sedin
Raymond - Kesler - Samuelsson
Higgins - Malhotra - Hansen
Torres - Lappierre - Glass

Erhoff - Edler
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Salo - Ballard

Luongo
Schneider

Depth available
Alberts - Rome - Tanev - Hodgson - Kassian - Weise



2019 Lineup when fully healthy*
Boeser - Pettersson - Miller
Pearson - Horvat - Virtanen
Eriksson - Sutter - Toffoli
Motte - Beagle - Roussel

Houghes - Tanev
Myers - Edler
Stetcher - Fantenberg

Markstrom
Demko

Depth available
Gaudette - Ferland - Leivo - Benn - Juolevi - MacEwen



For the forward lines, I see it like this
Line 1 - I give the advantage to 2011. I believe that the Lotto line has potential to be just as good someday (even soon), they arent quite there yet.

Line 2 - I would give to 2019 in a very slight advantage. I think Kesler before the hip injury was a little better than Bo, but the current second line has better balance for playoffs.

Line 3 - Another slight advantage to 2019.

Line 4 - Big advantage to 2019.

As for defense:
Pair 1 - Advantage 2019. Hughes is the already the most dynamic defenseman we have had and Tanev is now one of the best shutdown guys in the league. I see these 2 as one of the top pairs we have had ever
Pair 2 - Big advantage to 2011. No disrespect to Edler, but Myers is terrible. Juice and Hammer were solid both ways.
Pair 3 - Advantage 2011

For the goalies:
I love Marky but he is not prime 2011 Lou. Demko we havent really seen in a pressure situation, but I would still think 2011 Schneider would be better for a backup. - Huge advantage to 2011

Depth help: I think the current depth is much better than what 2011 had to work with. In the end with all of the injuries, the lack of depth is what did that team in.

After comparing everything, I have to admit that the 2011 team is still better overall. Mainly on the backend and in net, but this current team is clearly heading in the right direction and has the makings of being something special.

- djlarose


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NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Aug 13 @ 5:52 PM ET
You didn’t make it up. You started a rumour. EK reports rumours so it’s legit.
- bloatedmosquito



Its legit cause why wouldn't 2 non-playoff teams (Leafs and Devils) want to trade for each others hot garbage
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 5:52 PM ET
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- bloatedmosquito


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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 5:57 PM ET
Its legit cause why wouldn't 2 non-playoff teams (Leafs and Devils) want to trade for each others hot garbage
- NuckUp


Nylander is hardly hot garbage.

It has a semblance of logic interwoven throughout the idea.

TML need D.
NJD need scoring.
Nylander is the most likely candidate of the top 4 Fwds to be moved.
PK is from T.
TML would get a 1st rounder back. NJD has picks to spare and could eat salary.

This 'rumour' just about writes itself.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Aug 13 @ 6:00 PM ET
Nylander is hardly hot garbage.

It has a semblance of logic interwoven throughout the idea.

TML need D.
NJD need scoring.
Nylander is the most likely candidate of the top 4 Fwds to be moved.
PK is from T.
TML would get a 1st rounder back. NJD has picks to spare and could eat salary.

This 'rumour' just about writes itself.

- dbot



Sure EK....sure.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 13 @ 6:03 PM ET
Nylander is hardly hot garbage.

It has a semblance of logic interwoven throughout the idea.

TML need D.
NJD need scoring.
Nylander is the most likely candidate of the top 4 Fwds to be moved.
PK is from T.
TML would get a 1st rounder back. NJD has picks to spare and could eat salary.

This 'rumour' just about writes itself.

- dbot

Ditching Nylander for a Dman would be a step forward for them, but I'm still skeptical you can put together a successful post-season team under the current cap with 3 forwards making a combined $33+ mil.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 13 @ 6:04 PM ET
Nylander is hardly hot garbage.

It has a semblance of logic interwoven throughout the idea.

TML need D.
NJD need scoring.
Nylander is the most likely candidate of the top 4 Fwds to be moved.
PK is from T.
TML would get a 1st rounder back. NJD has picks to spare and could eat salary.

This 'rumour' just about writes itself.

- dbot


I don’t think he’ll be moved at all. That core will be given another season to succeed and if they don’t, a major shakeup will happen. Leaf fans are just looking for a scapegoat and he fits that bill.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 13 @ 6:07 PM ET
Ditching Nylander for a Dman would be a step forward for them, but I'm still skeptical you can put together a successful post-season team under the current cap with 3 forwards making a combined $33+ mil.
- NorthNuck


I’m not so sure about that. It’s not like they got out scored... it’s that they didn’t score at all. They need scoring depth but they are paying so much to so few it’s going to be hard for them to find that depth.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 6:08 PM ET
Ditching Nylander for a Dman would be a step forward for them, but I'm still skeptical you can put together a successful post-season team under the current cap with 3 forwards making a combined $33+ mil.
- NorthNuck


True.
But you run the risk of losing that trade, just like:

Kadri for Barrie
HAll for Larsson.

NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 13 @ 6:10 PM ET
I’m not so sure about that. It’s not like they got out scored... it’s that they didn’t score at all. They need scoring depth but they are paying so much to do few it’s going to be hard for them to find that depth.
- bloatedmosquito

The whole team shot at 1.97% for the entire series. It was a statistical outlier of a series, they need to upgrade their defense and bolster their forward depth with more cost-effective players.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 13 @ 6:10 PM ET
True.
But you run the risk of losing that trade, just like:

Kadri for Barrie
HAll for Larsson.

- dbot

For sure, not a list you wanna make twice
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 13 @ 6:11 PM ET
True.
But you run the risk of losing that trade, just like:

Kadri for Barrie
HAll for Larsson.

- dbot


That Kadri trade was terrible. At least Kadri has a heart.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 6:11 PM ET
I don’t think he’ll be moved at all. That core will be given another season to succeed and if they don’t, a major shakeup will happen. Leaf fans are just looking for a scapegoat and he fits that bill.
- bloatedmosquito


You could very well be right there.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 6:12 PM ET
The whole team shot at 1.97% for the entire series. It was a statistical outlier of a series, they need to upgrade their defense and bolster their forward depth with more cost-effective players.
- NorthNuck


New rule.
Only make trades for Dmen with Nashville.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 13 @ 6:13 PM ET
The whole team shot at 1.97% for the entire series. It was a statistical outlier of a series, they need to upgrade their defense and bolster their forward depth with more cost-effective players.
- NorthNuck


This is the concern I have for our team’s future when it comes time to pay our core. God help us.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 6:15 PM ET
This is the concern I have for our tram’s future when it comes time to pay our core. God help us.
- bloatedmosquito


I was thinking about this the other day too.
Quinn Hughes can have alll the money.
EP right behind him.

It's going to take some careful negotiating and avoiding the pitfalls of the TMLs.

NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 13 @ 6:17 PM ET
This is the concern I have for our team’s future when it comes time to pay our core. God help us.
- bloatedmosquito

It could be scary I agree. But the flat cap coming in now and all the good vibes around the team may lead to easier negotiations with Petey and Hughes this offseason. Probably the biggest test of JBs Canucks tenure, but I have a feeling he will pull it off without ending up with Leafs-level contracts.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 13 @ 6:21 PM ET
I don’t think he’ll be moved at all. That core will be given another season to succeed and if they don’t, a major shakeup will happen. Leaf fans are just looking for a scapegoat and he fits that bill.
- bloatedmosquito


I heard today TO are after Keslers contract to utilize LTIR for more cap space.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Aug 13 @ 6:24 PM ET
This is the concern I have for our team’s future when it comes time to pay our core. God help us.
- bloatedmosquito


Bridge deals till more anchor contracts and penalties gone.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 13 @ 6:25 PM ET
Pierre-Luc Dubois with another 2 points (4g 4a) and 4 shots. That kid is outstanding.
- bloatedmosquito

Competition for Hughesy in the scoring race
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 13 @ 6:26 PM ET
Hamhuis retiring
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 13 @ 6:28 PM ET
It could be scary I agree. But the flat cap coming in now and all the good vibes around the team may lead to easier negotiations with Petey and Hughes this offseason. Probably the biggest test of JBs Canucks tenure, but I have a feeling he will pull it off without ending up with Leafs-level contracts.
- NorthNuck

Predicting heavy bridge deals to ride out the covid cap era.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 6:30 PM ET
Hamhuis retiring
- VANTEL


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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 13 @ 6:32 PM ET
Round of applause for a good ol Smithers boy.

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- dbot

Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018

Aug 13 @ 6:35 PM ET
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