I'm guessing he wants to see more compete out of JvR. His knock has always been that he has stretches where he uses his size to establish position in front of the net and is a handful, followed by stretches where he's strictly a perimeter player. AV seems to value consistency very much, so if he can't count of you to be consistent every game, he's going to use your lowest value and your usage will reflect that.

Again, not bashing JvR or saying he's a bad player, I'm just trying to provide what I think happened based on what I've seen and the player's past history. But I still think he should be seeing more PP time in these playoffs.
- jmatchett383

Very well said. Think you hit the nail on the head. I don’t think there is a Flyers fan that doesn’t think getting JVR going is crucial for any potential SC run.

This isn’t JvR’s fault. It falls square on how the coach chooses to use him. JvR had two more points than Hayes prior to getting hurt, we played on and Covid happened. I don’t know what JvR did to be placed in the dog house but he ended the season hurt and only played one game before getting scratched when we returned to hockey.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not saying you're wrong, but can you please stop using Kevin Hayes as your barometer for everything? We all get that you're not a fan of his, but he and JvR are not competing for similar roles or ice time on the team, so there's not point is using Hayes as a basis for JvR.

Again, not saying it's wrong or upsetting, I just don't think Hayes and JvR is an apples-to-apples comparison.

JVR drags down whatever line he is on. That has been my opinion going back to the first time he was on the team. He consistently puts in the least amount of effort required. That is the reason he continues to get surpassed by young players with less scoring ability. He’ll continue to not be utilized correctly until he realizes his ice time and line mates are directly linked to the amount of effort he puts in. How he hasn’t learned that lesson by this point in his career is mind boggling. It’s all up to him.

JVR drags down whatever line he is on. That has been my opinion going back to the first time he was on the team. He consistently puts in the least amount of effort required. That is the reason he continues to get surpassed by young players with less scoring ability. He’ll continue to not be utilized correctly until he realizes his ice time and line mates are directly linked to the amount of effort he puts in. How he hasn’t learned that lesson by this point in his career is mind boggling. It’s all up to him.
- szandor

He plays a very uninspired game and if he’s not scoring he’s literally doing nothing. Looks like he doesn’t even want to score, point blank chance he passes it to the corner

There’s a reason he’s on the fourth line, if you can’t watch the game and see why that’s on you.

JVR drags down whatever line he is on. That has been my opinion going back to the first time he was on the team. He consistently puts in the least amount of effort required. That is the reason he continues to get surpassed by young players with less scoring ability. He’ll continue to not be utilized correctly until he realizes his ice time and line mates are directly linked to the amount of effort he puts in. How he hasn’t learned that lesson by this point in his career is mind boggling. It’s all up to him.
- szandor

I don't think that's true. In the 2010 playoffs, his line with Giroux and Asham was probably our 2nd best line after the Briere line. In 2011, he was by far our best player against Boston. So he CAN be a difference maker.

IMO, it's not that he consistently puts in the least amount of effort, it's more that he's inconsistent with his play. Like I said earlier, he can be a net-driving demon hounding the puck one game, and he's a floating perimeter player the next game. If the coach doesn't know what he's going to get from you game-to-game, he can't put you in critical situations that require lots of TOI.

Just my take.

There’s a reason he’s on the fourth line, if you can’t watch the game and see why that’s on you.
- ClaudeFather

I agree.

Yes we know he is an offensive player. But sometimes you have to earn a spot. Can he skate? Can he play defense? Can he do the little things in the corners? Win battles? Make smart plays? Be physical?

At some point JVR needs to realize he may need to change some things and adjust his mentality to get some of of those minutes back.

Skating around like a mope because you cant play with your friends is no way to earn ice time.

He needs to use his skills to impose his will on the lower line players he is out against.

And yes, AV should be using him on the PP.

But JVR needs to give AV no choice.

I thought JVR looked better in the third than earlier in the game. I’m sure he will work his way back up the lineup by the end of the series. We need him too, anyway.

For the jvr debate. If we are basing it on play I thought NAK really struggled game 1. How about switching those lines. Even if its for a period jvr with grant and jake would give him a chance to work his way out the dog house. Devils advocate is I think he played uninspired hockey last night. He got beat in puck battles it felt like every time. I think he's as likely to be scratched as to move up in the lineup.
- Tfaehner

Other than taking a bad penalty and a few turnovers, I thought Aube-Kubel was one of their better forwards. His skating and physical play was very noticeable.

Other than taking a bad penalty and a few turnovers, I thought Aube-Kubel was one of their better forwards. His skating and physical play was very noticeable.
- MJL

Agreed. I don't think he played a bad game...wasn't an eye-popping game either. But he executed his role well overall.

The flyers didn’t play their best, but still won. It was their most inconsistent showing since the restart, but I think a lot of it seemed like nerves. That second period was extremely frustrating the way they were running around. Let’s settle things down for game two. I think they’ll be fine, I’d just like to see improvement from game 1.

JVR drags down whatever line he is on. That has been my opinion going back to the first time he was on the team. He consistently puts in the least amount of effort required. That is the reason he continues to get surpassed by young players with less scoring ability. He’ll continue to not be utilized correctly until he realizes his ice time and line mates are directly linked to the amount of effort he puts in. How he hasn’t learned that lesson by this point in his career is mind boggling. It’s all up to him.
- szandor

Before the pandemic, JVR was tied for 4th on the team in ES points. Tied with Claude Giroux and playing two less games. JVR has not looked good since coming back, hence his demotion but you're ignoring how well JVR played in the regular season.

I agree.

Yes we know he is an offensive player. But sometimes you have to earn a spot. Can he skate? Can he play defense? Can he do the little things in the corners? Win battles? Make smart plays? Be physical?

At some point JVR needs to realize he may need to change some things and adjust his mentality to get some of of those minutes back.

Skating around like a mope because you cant play with your friends is no way to earn ice time.

He needs to use his skills to impose his will on the lower line players he is out against.

And yes, AV should be using him on the PP.

But JVR needs to give AV no choice.
- MBFlyerfan

This!!!!
He had to a chance to really cut in on his power move last night too and he just flipped a little backhand from a poor angle and veered off too, take it all the way home! Not the easiest play, especially with a bigger defender on him but to finish it off with a little dribbler was just such a downer

This!!!!
He had to a chance to really cut in on his power move last night too and he just flipped a little backhand from a poor angle and veered off too, take it all the way home! Not the easiest play, especially with a bigger defender on him but to finish it off with a little dribbler was just such a downer
- ClaudeFather

He had no shot to get to the net there. The defender had an angle on him. Better to get the puck to the net and hope for some puck luck or a rebound than to get forced off into the corner with no shot. Putting the puck on net is never a bad play.

He had no shot to get to the net there. The defender had an angle on him. Better to get the puck to the net and hope for some puck luck or a rebound than to get forced off into the corner with no shot. Putting the puck on net is never a bad play.
- MJL

Do we have video? I thought he had a decent chance to turn the corner, or would have liked an under the stick Zetterberg Esque shot. Understand getting the shot but it seemed he kind of just gave up on it.

Hey, we won last night!!! Isn't that great!? Discuss.

Hey, we won last night!!! Isn't that great!? Discuss.
- jmatchett383

It's one game. My take away is that I've seen what Montreal can offer. I also saw when the Flyers played the right way, they're the better team and can control territorial play. The Flyers are clearly the more talented team. Montreal is really weak at center and they aren't a talented offensive team. Not saying it will be easy because you need to match the work ethic of Montreal. As always, the X factor is goaltending but Hart was extremely strong last night especially on goal mouth plays. I don't see Montreal having any snipers that can carry them.

The Hayes line needs to regroup and be better next game, I haven’t seen TK play a game that bad in a long time.

The Hayes line needs to regroup and be better next game, I haven’t seen TK play a game that bad in a long time.
- ClaudeFather

I propose we fire them into the sun after their next bad period.

FFS people, we won. Yeah there can be improvements, agreed, but can we just have a page or so without griping about what didn't go well?

I don't think that's true. In the 2010 playoffs, his line with Giroux and Asham was probably our 2nd best line after the Briere line. In 2011, he was by far our best player against Boston. So he CAN be a difference maker.
But now i see he is already a big logjam with his 7mill craphit! With the flat Cap, this was the last poisonpill from HeX. But Hex drafted ok.

Just my take.
- jmatchett383

Yea, a physicalogist told he will slow down more and more.

I propose we fire them into the sun after their next bad period.

FFS people, we won. Yeah there can be improvements, agreed, but can we just have a page or so without griping about what didn't go well?
- jmatchett383

We won, but it feels like a loss. We didnt win Ten to Nothing! And that is Something!
The situation clearly calls for mass, uncontrolled panic.

I propose we fire them into the sun after their next bad period.

FFS people, we won. Yeah there can be improvements, agreed, but can we just have a page or so without griping about what didn't go well?
- jmatchett383

Why is discussing what didn't go well and who didn't play well not legitimate and viable for discussion?

I propose we fire them into the sun after their next bad period.

FFS people, we won. Yeah there can be improvements, agreed, but can we just have a page or so without griping about what didn't go well?
- jmatchett383

I was pumped as hell, great game by the young D, coots, Farabee , Hart. I liked grant and Thompson too

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I was pumped as hell, great game by the young D, coots, Farabee , Hart. I liked grant and Thompson too
- ClaudeFather

Myers 💘