where's your righteoushness gone all of a sudden?
or calling other people on here a pile of poop is ok now?
- MaximusAurelius

Read above Max, you dipstick. Just a shot back at him for the wife comment.

Carry on as if you were normal.

IMO the most disappointing person in MLSE is Shanny. I thought with him there he would insist on building a team full of guys who played like him. I was wrong. He seems to be drinking Dubas’ coolaid.

Shanny has allowed this to happen.

Perhaps Dubas is proud and stubborn? How can he really believe what he said especially about Nylander? Kadri made bonehead plays 2 years and got traded. Willie is a no-show for several years, should he be jettisoned?

Dubas is arrogant. His philosophy is wrong but he cannot admit it. Accepting the blame for everything is just a clever way of not being specifically blamed for anything. He will stay the course of failure until someone steps in...
- Hockey_Reverend

only priority for dubas is extending his tenure as a LEafs' GM.
how he does that is take least risk possible. (because any actual moves can be criticized).
and when he makes a big mistake, he basically tries to sell it as the rest of the world doesn't get it right ('Ceci is a good d-man')

He of course didn't blame Babcock.

He didn't do anything except reiterate his belief in this core and the process; just like Shanahan did.

It's truly bizarre how they can actually say that with a straight face.

This is a full on disaster. I hope that behind closed doors they realize that.
- Aetherial

As long as we aren't overreacting.

He doesn’t blame Babcock. He doesn’t mention Babcock. He doesn’t allude to Babcock. Other than that, I think you pretty well nailed it.
- Canada Cup

lol wtf

He of course didn't blame Babcock.

He didn't do anything except reiterate his belief in this core and the process; just like Shanahan did.

It's truly bizarre how they can actually say that with a straight face.

This is a full on disaster. I hope that behind closed doors they realize that.
- Aetherial

I get the anger and whatnot from fans.

But I feel like a core of AM/MM/JT can get the job done.
The supporting players, well that need some work. And thats Dubas job to figure out.

So saying they believe in the core doesnt strike me as bizarre

only priority for dubas is extending his tenure as a LEafs' GM.
how he does that is take least risk possible. (because any actual moves can be criticized).
and when he makes a big mistake, he basically tries to sell it as the rest of the world doesn't get it right ('Ceci is a good d-man')
- MaximusAurelius

I dont get this comment. Trading Kadri was a big risk.
Hell signing Tavares and throwing the Cap out of wack is a pretty big risk if it doesnt work.

Read above Max, you dipstick. Just a shot back at him for the wife comment.

Carry on as if you were normal.
- bixll

yes, because my bad parenting comment came out of the blue?
it was a reaction to people saying that it was ok for kids to hit and curse at their teachers (and other kids in the class).
(I mentioned that kids with development problems (and their classmates) were better off getting proper attention in centers with right staff and facilities for them - i think you woudl agree with that?)

only priority for dubas is extending his tenure as a LEafs' GM.
how he does that is take least risk possible. (because any actual moves can be criticized).
and when he makes a big mistake, he basically tries to sell it as the rest of the world doesn't get it right ('Ceci is a good d-man')
- MaximusAurelius

Or like when he said there was a 50/50 chance Muzzin never plays hockey again.

He of course didn't blame Babcock.

He didn't do anything except reiterate his belief in this core and the process; just like Shanahan did.

It's truly bizarre how they can actually say that with a straight face.

This is a full on disaster. I hope that behind closed doors they realize that.
- Aetherial

For what it's worth he said a lot more on his TV interviews ...Overdrive and Tim/Sid. Take it for what it's worth but what I heard ..

He believes in the talent of the core. He believes in them that they have the ability to get the requisite "compete" and will to win. He acknowledged that they haven't got there yet and that management is assessing this and how they can improve it.

He was asked about the need to add players that come with the "compete" component and play a 'grittier' game and he said he wants them to have more but defended himself by saying he's added Muzzin and Clifford in his 2 yrs to try to help with that.

My takeaway was that he gets it ...he's just as disappointed in this groups inability to get to that next level of "compete" as we are.

It's only words but it gives me some hope that he and Shanny will assess the group and determine that he's got to find a way to add "compete" on both backend and into the top 9 fwds.

It's totally an excuse but it's also a reality - this teams top 9 fwds avg age is 24. and a lot of the 23/24 yr olds are inexperienced. For me this team needs some injection of of experience/leadership/compete - and not on the 4th line and 3rd pairing.

He told us yesterday that his contracts are moveable/flexible and not a problem. So no excuses ...lets see some good change.

My judgment hat is firmly on this offseason.

yes, because my bad parenting comment came out of the blue?
it was a reaction to people saying that it was ok for kids to hit and curse at their teachers (and other kids in the class).
(I mentioned that kids with development problems (and their classmates) were better off getting proper attention in centers with right staff and facilities for them - i think you woudl agree with that?)
- MaximusAurelius

How about we send both comments into CapEO and let him make his decision on how long who gets banned. And, you had many comments, not one. I will start gathering them up for you.

I dont get this comment. Trading Kadri was a big risk.
Hell signing Tavares and throwing the Cap out of wack is a pretty big risk if it doesnt work.
- senstroll

Tavares was a no-brainer - every single person that would be in that GM position would have made a try to add Tavares to the team.

And the Kadri thing - easy to sacrifice a scapegoat.
Same for Zaitsev - a scapegoat while much much better than a lot of other D-options that this year have played for Leafs, starting with Barrie and Ceci.

Zaitsev is much much better than Barrie - and his 4.5mln shouldn't have been a problem for this team.

(Muzzin - Zaitsev was a good d-pairing against Bruins in playoffs, and Leafs shoudl have kept them together this season, giving Zaitsev some additional pp time on 2nd pp)

I get the anger and whatnot from fans.

But I feel like a core of AM/MM/JT can get the job done.
The supporting players, well that need some work. And thats Dubas job to figure out.

So saying they believe in the core doesnt strike me as bizarre
- senstroll

Yeah the supporting players are the issue. They are "Good", but too much of the same. But because those 4 make 40 million, people are blinded to the issues.

Tavares was a no-brainer - every single person that would be in that GM position would have made a try to add Tavares to the team.

And the Kadri thing - easy to sacrifice a scapegoat.
Same for Zaitsev - a scapegoat while much much better than a lot of other D-options that this year have played for Leafs, starting with Barrie and Ceci.

Zaitsev is much much better than Barrie - and his 4.5mln shouldn't have been a problem for this team.

(Muzzin - Zaitsev was a good d-pairing against Bruins in playoffs, and Leafs shoudl have kept them together this season, giving Zaitsev some additional pp time on 2nd pp)
- MaximusAurelius

No he's really not. Zaitsev was poop here.

He doesn’t blame Babcock. He doesn’t mention Babcock. He doesn’t allude to Babcock. Other than that, I think you pretty well nailed it.
- Canada Cup

25th at time of coaching change.
Barrie turned it around late November after Keefe asked him about his feelings.
Maybe you’re right.

25th at time of coaching change.
Barrie turned it around late November after Keefe asked him about his feelings.
Maybe you’re right.
- daws44

yes, this really happened in which parallel world?

How about we send both comments into CapEO and let him make his decision on how long who gets banned. And, you had many comments, not one. I will start gathering them up for you.
- bixll

people defending kids hitting other kids and teachers is ok to you?

yes, this really happened in which parallel world?
- MaximusAurelius

Dubas thinks it happened.

Tavares was a no-brainer - every single person that would be in that GM position would have made a try to add Tavares to the team.

And the Kadri thing - easy to sacrifice a scapegoat.
Same for Zaitsev - a scapegoat while much much better than a lot of other D-options that this year have played for Leafs, starting with Barrie and Ceci.

Zaitsev is much much better than Barrie - and his 4.5mln shouldn't have been a problem for this team.

(Muzzin - Zaitsev was a good d-pairing against Bruins in playoffs, and Leafs shoudl have kept them together this season, giving Zaitsev some additional pp time on 2nd pp)
- MaximusAurelius

but signing Tavares did not come without risk...it makes every other move more difficult, and I see a lot of criticism towards Dubas with that signing.

NZ/Barrie is at best a wash...but, remember NZ wanted to be traded...he was not playing for the Leafs. so I dont get the crying from you over an overpaid sucky D

at least Barrie was only like 2.5mil for the year...and the timing of all those moves matters. Dubas had to get someone to play the right side. he tried for Brodie..didnt work

but signing Tavares did not come without risk...it makes every other move more difficult, and I see a lot of criticism towards Dubas with that signing.

NZ/Barrie is at best a wash...but, remember NZ wanted to be traded...he was not playing for the Leafs. so I dont get the crying from you over an overpaid sucky D

at least Barrie was only like 2.5mil for the year...and the timing of all those moves matters. Dubas had to get someone to play the right side. he tried for Brodie..didnt work
- senstroll

Because Zaitsev was signed by Lou. Must defend his signings!

Now Cathal Kelly, an unusually patient and thoughtful sports writer, has had enough of Dubas. He is basically calling him a smartass.

And I completely agree.

The best part of the interview: in the two year since Dubas replaced LL, the team has got worse. Shanny replies, um uh we certainly have taken a step back.

That was probably the most honest and insightful comment in the postmortem.

Not Dubas snapping “we have to pick in the top five” when asked how to get a guy like Seth Jones.

Maybe a little over the top. But moves have to be made to correct some issues.
- bixll

Watching that Isles / Caps game yesterday..

The way the Isles D played .. that's what Leafs should shoot for. Just tremendous.

Pelech / Pulock / Toews.. all 25 and all good size and can play.

Watching that Isles / Caps game yesterday..

The way the Isles D played .. that's what Leafs should shoot for. Just tremendous.

Pelech / Pulock / Toews.. all 25 and all good size and can play.
- dozerD10

Maybe they could have done that under Lou. Dubas still trust his process and his midget hockey.

people defending kids hitting other kids and teachers is ok to you?
- MaximusAurelius

Drop it Max. The issue was about cops being in schools handcuffing with 8 year olds who were acting out. 8 year olds. Everyone is trying to let you walk away from something where you messed up. Take the offer and move on.

Now Cathal Kelly, an unusually patient and thoughtful sports writer, has had enough of Dubas. He is basically calling him a smartass.

And I completely agree.

The best part of the interview: in the two year since Dubas replaced LL, the team has got worse. Shanny replies, um uh we certainly have taken a step back.

That was probably the most honest and insightful comment in the postmortem.

Not Dubas snapping “we have to pick in the top five” when asked how to get a guy like Seth Jones.
- gamerdoc

Eh, Dubas took the Blame for everything at last year's press conference.