Ok, we'll see.

I'll just cut and paste this response when you declare opinions about the unknowable "right" and "wrong."

It's not like Bjug DEFINITELY has trade value for this to be a hill you die on.

I'll remind you that you also think Sheary is a good hockey player who other teams value.
- Hockey66

The difference between you and I is I'm not claiming to know anything. I'm forming an opinion based on people in the hockey world. I'm not saying he does or doesn't have negative value. I literally responded with "I don't know this to be true."

Also, when did I ever say any of that? Please go find it, but you won't because it's not there. All I said about Sheary is that he was far from any reason the Pens lost and that he didn't play poorly. You like to extrapolate whatever you want to make your arguments.

I also don't think Sheary is a bad player, but I also said multiple times that he's not the ideal winger for the top six. Keep making stuff up though.

I'm starting to think your WSCTETON's alt or whatever that dude's handle is.

Outside of what to do with 15 overall, there's not much difference in waiting a year.

And sorry, Lemieux isn't going to throw away his money. It wouldn't surprise me if he does look to sell soon, but not during the pandemic.
- Tojo.

I'd say the older players who still have value will have less value next year.

Also, starting the rebuild now, they can shed salary and get their financial house in order.

The difference between you and I is I'm not claiming to know anything. I'm forming an opinion based on people in the hockey world. I'm not saying he does or doesn't have negative value. I literally responded with "I don't know this to be true."

Also, when did I ever say any of that? Please go find it, but you won't because it's not there. All I said about Sheary is that he was far from any reason the Pens lost and that he didn't play poorly. You like to extrapolate whatever you want to make your arguments.

I also don't think Sheary is a bad player, but I also said multiple times that he's not the ideal winger for the top six. Keep making stuff up though.

I'm starting to think your WSCTETON's alt or whatever that dude's handle is.
- Rinosaur

You literally just said, "He doesn't have negative value, you're just wrong about that." on the previous page.

You literally just said, "He doesn't have negative value, you're just wrong about that." on the previous page.
- Hockey66

I meant that as in you're wrong because it's not a known piece of information. Also, you're not an insider. You don't know anything in regards to how other teams value players around league. Literally NOTHING. While I don't know the extent of Yohe's insider info, I know for a fact it's significantly more than yours. He actually gets to communicate with these people. You don't.

Also, I'm now convinced you're that dude's alt.

I meant that as in you're wrong because it's not a known piece of information. Also, you're not an insider. You don't know anything in regards to how other teams value players around league. While I don't know the extent of Yohe's insider info, I know for a fact it's significantly more than yours. He actually gets to communicate with these people. You don't.

Also, I'm now convinced you're that dude's alt.
- Rinosaur

However you want to spin it, dude.

We'll see...

However you want to spin it, dude.

We'll see...
- Hockey66

Spin what? No, we won't see. You and I will literally never know. If Bjug gets moved in a poopty trade, it doesn't mean he has negative value. Sometimes even having a decent player to move isn't easy if there isn't a team who has the ability to get that player. You clearly don't have critical thinking skills.

Just to get the budget issue strait....

It seems like they are willing to spend to the cap if the season looks promising. Taking on salary at the TDL if things are going really well.

Sounds like they don't see don't see the value in spending to the cap when the team sh!ts the bed in the post season. What's the old saying..... "We can lose without spending all this money". Pretty much makes sense.

Just happened to be thinking about this.... Would the Pens be playing right now with Kessel, Cole and Kahun on the roster? All players run out of town by the coach.

Spin what? No, we won't see. You and I will literally never know. If Bjug gets moved in a poopty trade, it doesn't mean he has negative value. Sometimes even having a decent player to move isn't easy if there isn't a team who has the ability to get that player. You clearly don't have critical thinking skills.
- Rinosaur

Uh, so if there isn't a team who has the ability to get Bjug and his contract, then he has negative trade value, which is exactly what I've been saying. He is not worth $4.1M right now. So you're saying if we have to take back an "unwanted" contract, that doesn't mean Bjug has negative value, it just means...ummm...sometimes things don't work out?

Speaking of critical thinking skills, maybe form your own opinions of players instead of just regurgitating what Yohe says.

Just to get the budget issue strait....

It seems like they are willing to spend to the cap if the season looks promising. Taking on salary at the TDL if things are going really well.

Sounds like they don't see don't see the value in spending to the cap when the team sh!ts the bed in the post season. What's the old saying..... "We can lose without spending all this money". Pretty much makes sense.

Just happened to be thinking about this.... Would the Pens be playing right now with Kessel, Cole and Kahun on the roster? All players run out of town by the coach.
- madmike71

Interesting thought. My answer would be 'probably.' I was on board with moving Kessel, but he probably would have helped in this series. Cole over Petts? Yes, although Petts played ok. Kahun would be more addition by subtraction but he would also probably mean no Marleau and providing some value to the bottom six.

Am I correct that if we fire Sully and he gets re-hired somewhere else that we don't have to pay his contract? Does it have to be like-for-like job title?

Uh, so if there isn't a team who has the ability to get Bjug and his contract, then he has negative trade value, which is exactly what I've been saying. He is not worth $4.1M right now. So you're saying if we have to take back an "unwanted" contract, that doesn't mean Bjug has negative value, it just means...ummm...sometimes things don't work out?

Speaking of critical thinking skills, maybe form your own opinions of players instead of just regurgitating what Yohe says.
- Hockey66

You got it, Simple Jack.

Definite big risk. You'd basically be banking on the Oilers screwed up. But these might be desperate times and if he puts it together here (and he was great this past year) there's a big potential reward.
- Tojo.

Yea it might be worth the risk. We take risks on higher contracts than him before so why not?

Interesting thought. My answer would be 'probably.' I was on board with moving Kessel, but he probably would have helped in this series. Cole over Petts? Yes, although Petts played ok. Kahun would be more addition by subtraction but he would also probably mean no Marleau and providing some value to the bottom six.

Am I correct that if we fire Sully and he gets re-hired somewhere else that we don't have to pay his contract? Does it have to be like-for-like job title?
- Hockey66

Sully isn't going to take a job that doesn't pay at the same level. No team will pay an assistant what Sully is getting paid now. I think he's one of the highest paid coaches in the league. If budget is now a part of the conversation, he's not going anywhere.

Sully isn't going to take a job that doesn't pay at the same level. No team will pay an assistant what Sully is getting paid now. I think he's one of the highest paid coaches in the league. If budget is now a part of the conversation, he's not going anywhere.
- madmike71

That's literally what's going on here, nothing more nothing less. (frank)ing sucks. Bylsma played it right, weren't we paying him for awhile after he got fired? He literally laid back and did poop until the contract was up then went coaching again lol.

Abasin do you have a clue? Seriously? This isnt RW being condescending at all. Its just stating fact. JR's poor decisions since 2017 are why the team is closer to Detroit than to Say Boston or Philly. And you are correct in saying its a new bottom pair and better 3rd line away from being strong contender again. However, We arent getting a better 3rd pair on defense. JR fails to realize that Johnson is who lampooned Malkin and Kessel last year and Schultz both years. Instead of realizng that and moving on, hes doubling down on it. THATS why JR deserves every bit of criticism he is getting right now
- Amanion

This article echos off the "JR caught lightning in a bottle" quote that RW has made several times before, which again, unfairly discredits what JR has been able to do. I am no fan of a lot of the moves he's made since 2017, but I do like the fact he hasn't tried to keep the band together and has not been afraid to shake things up. Saying this team is closer to the bottom than the top is also a bit of a stretch considering before an uncharacteristic slump before the break, they were leading the division despite all the man games lost...We'll see what he has in store, my guess is more minor shakeups than major overhaul, and wouldn't mind letting the young guys (Poulin, POJ, maybe the 15th pick) play and see what they have.

Sully isn't going to take a job that doesn't pay at the same level. No team will pay an assistant what Sully is getting paid now. I think he's one of the highest paid coaches in the league. If budget is now a part of the conversation, he's not going anywhere.
- madmike71

Yeah, I don't know the rules about that. I guess it doesn't make sense for Sully to take less if he is primarily concerned about money. It would be nice if the rules were that the Pens would only be required to make up the difference.

But again, if the Pens are a budget team, why in the hell are they handing out such a big contract to a guy whose team just got swept by a lower seed? Talk about failing upward. Not to judge him on just one bad series, but...maybe give him a shorter and/or lower value contract? Were they thinking he was some kind of mastermind and were worried about losing him if they didn't give him such a contract? NHL coaches are a dime a dozen and come and go all the time.

You got it, Simple Jack.
- Rinosaur

SimpleJack is a Hawks fan. I enjoy his input, but I'm not him. But I'm glad to see you give up after tying yourself up in a logic knot. Nice try with the cop-out rationale.

Here's a simple test: Do you think anyone gives the Pens a 7th round draft pick for Bjug, straight up? That's the lowest asset possible with no player or salary attached. In a flat cap year, I highly doubt anyone takes that $4.1M gamble. Is Bjug even healthy yet or will he be by the start of the season now that things are condensed?

Just to get the budget issue strait....

It seems like they are willing to spend to the cap if the season looks promising. Taking on salary at the TDL if things are going really well.

Sounds like they don't see don't see the value in spending to the cap when the team sh!ts the bed in the post season. What's the old saying..... "We can lose without spending all this money". Pretty much makes sense.

Just happened to be thinking about this.... Would the Pens be playing right now with Kessel, Cole and Kahun on the roster? All players run out of town by the coach.
- madmike71

Kessel is cooked. We got out of that contract at the right time. For all the hate GMJR gets the overall trade of

Kessel, Addison, 2021 1st

for

Zucker and POJ

is a pretty good haul given Kessels NTC and the fact he looks pretty burnt right now

Keeping Cole probably means we don't have JJ, so HUGE win there. Kahun is just a guy, he's more of an asset than Sheary is and ERod, but he's sort of a middle 6 interchangeable part and we got a ton of those guys

Overall, I take where we are today. The only thing I want a big UNDO on is letting Bonino walk 3 years ago

Kessel is cooked. We got out of that contract at the right time. For all the hate GMJR gets the overall trade of

Kessel, Addison, 2021 1st

for

Zucker and POJ

is a pretty good haul given Kessels NTC and the fact he looks pretty burnt right now

Keeping Cole probably means we don't have JJ, so HUGE win there. Kahun is just a guy, he's more of an asset than Sheary is and ERod, but he's sort of a middle 6 interchangeable part and we got a ton of those guys

Overall, I take where we are today. The only thing I want a big UNDO on is letting Bonino walk 3 years ago
- TheGame316

Puljarvii is very interesting to me as that potential PP righty. We'd be taking a risk because they want a young player with similar promise back so I'm not sure there's a match, but we might be at that point.
- Tojo.

I would love to acquire him. When he plays hard, he looks like an unbelievable talent. I think him like many of the other prospects from Oilers. Was not trained/used properly.

I have seen a few Forums of Edmonton fans proposing Nurse for Murray (which I wouldn't be opposed to). I definitely would welcome Puljarvii to the Pens!

Side note I think we should target Kovalchuk in Free agency. He would probably be the best RW option for us

SimpleJack is a Hawks fan. I enjoy his input, but I'm not him. But I'm glad to see you give up after tying yourself up in a logic knot. Nice try with the cop-out rationale.

Here's a simple test: Do you think anyone gives the Pens a 7th round draft pick for Bjug, straight up? That's the lowest asset possible with no player or salary attached. In a flat cap year, I highly doubt anyone takes that $4.1M gamble. Is Bjug even healthy yet or will he be by the start of the season now that things are condensed?
- Hockey66

You ever seen Tropic Thunder? That's the real simple jack, love that movie lol

Ahhh pages and pages of Rino and Hockey66 splitting hairs Hahaha.. Love you guys..

I would love to acquire him. When he plays hard, he looks like an unbelievable talent. I think him like many of the other prospects from Oilers. Was not trained/used properly.

I have seen a few Forums of Edmonton fans proposing Nurse for Murray (which I wouldn't be opposed to). I definitely would welcome Puljarvii to the Pens!

Side note I think we should target Kovalchuk in Free agency. He would probably be the best RW option for us
- 123Kid

Never seen the kid play but may as well take a gamble on him. And I wouldn't be opposed at all Murray for Nurse. And if Kovalchuck came cheap I'd do that too

Never seen the kid play but may as well take a gamble on him. And I wouldn't be opposed at all Murray for Nurse. And if Kovalchuck came cheap I'd do that too
- 668710

https://youtu.be/d6VOSdOI5qE

Ahhh pages and pages of Rino and Hockey66 splitting hairs Hahaha.. Love you guys..
- MattStrat

No no. He’s WSTETON’s alt.

Kessel is cooked. We got out of that contract at the right time. For all the hate GMJR gets the overall trade of

Kessel, Addison, 2021 1st

for

Zucker and POJ

is a pretty good haul given Kessels NTC and the fact he looks pretty burnt right now

Keeping Cole probably means we don't have JJ, so HUGE win there. Kahun is just a guy, he's more of an asset than Sheary is and ERod, but he's sort of a middle 6 interchangeable part and we got a ton of those guys

Overall, I take where we are today. The only thing I want a big UNDO on is letting Bonino walk 3 years ago
- TheGame316

It's a tough game to play for sure. I agree Kessel is past prime. When Simin gets more 5v5 goals than you, you're no longer a goal scorer.

I do like POJ and maybe he ends up the best pf those extra assets, but like someone said earlier I wish we'd made the Minnesota deal because aside from moving JJ, Addison and a 1st are more valuable. Addison may have been our next PP QB and 2nd RD after Letang left.

I think Kahun had better skill and play driving ability than most middle 6 guys so wish that never happened. Not sure if keeping Cole meant JJ never comes or Maatta leaves sooner, but I'm good either way.

And yeah, compared to what we did, I'd have to take Bones back.