Classless. Act like a grown up
- ThundernLightning

lighten up a little

You didn't answer the question at point. Do we know if he could have walked? I had heard both ...that he was stuck b/c Ceci had signed the qualifier ..and that he had the option to walk. I'm not sure which is true.

But to your question ....some examples - both shattenkirk and stone signed in August. And I would have to believe Dubas could have had other options by way of trade if he had wanted to go that route instead.

Leafs are loaded with assets so anything was possible.
- The Law

If I recall correctly, it was Leafs choice to either accept the contract dollar or go to arbitration. Ceci clearly needed the $ becasue of the stupid lawsuit against him and girlfriend... so he signed. But somewhere in there on the time line Dubas "could have" walked away. He didn't

Comparing Nylander to Kessel is a pretty big stretch. Kessel has always been a far superior player
- ThundernLightning

far superior eh?
Ok.
Better scoring sure but that could change.
What else was Kessel far superior at than willie?

Classless. Act like a grown up
- ThundernLightning

I thought you were leaving, Garf? What's wrong? Did mommy lock you in the basement?

You didn't answer the question at point. Do we know if he could have walked? I had heard both ...that he was stuck b/c Ceci had signed the qualifier ..and that he had the option to walk. I'm not sure which is true.

But to your question ....some examples - both shattenkirk and stone signed in August. And I would have to believe Dubas could have had other options by way of trade if he had wanted to go that route instead.

Leafs are loaded with assets so anything was possible.
- The Law

I am positive Dubas tried, in fact all insiders said the Leafs were in on shatty however he didn't want to go to Toronto.

The point is here, Dubas didn't find a player available to either sign or make a fair trade at a 1 year commitment. Ceci it was.

If I recall correctly, it was Leafs choice to either accept the contract dollar or go to arbitration. Ceci clearly needed the $ becasue of the stupid lawsuit against him and girlfriend... so he signed. But somewhere in there on the time line Dubas "could have" walked away. He didn't
- BorjeFan4Ever

I wouldn't want Marincin as my 5th D man either.

I didn't win the Jays 50/50.

far superior eh?
Ok.
Better scoring sure but that could change.
What else was Kessel far superior at than willie?
- Fakepartofme

eating hotdogs, obviously

with the benefit of hindsight sure... in older posts you seemed good with both those moves at the time. a lot of us did at the time (me included). Id still do the Ceci deal, but not so much Barrie

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=160869&page=10
- senstroll

Yes

before you start celebrating fake, Dubas just resigned Marincin... I guess to avoid the bidding war that will certainly ensue

and Holl will be fine in a reduced role... but pretty clear he ain't top 4 material.... but he only play top 4 because the other two donkeys were incapable.
- BorjeFan4Ever

ya i know.
But i never want to holl in the top 4. Ever.
I don't care how many D are injured.
Holl should never be on the ice in the late stages of a game when we are down.

Classless. Act like a grown up
- ThundernLightning

Oh? You want him to go online and act like a goof with terrible hockey opinions?

You didn't answer the question at point. Do we know if he could have walked? I had heard both ...that he was stuck b/c Ceci had signed the qualifier ..and that he had the option to walk. I'm not sure which is true.

But to your question ....some examples - both shattenkirk and stone signed in August. And I would have to believe Dubas could have had other options by way of trade if he had wanted to go that route instead.

Leafs are loaded with assets so anything was possible.
- The Law

The problem with signing someone is that it doesn't exactly work by poking the player and saying "mine now". It involves the other party wanting to sign with the team as well.

It's easy for everyone to say could have should have, reality is none of us know poop. I trust the GM made the best decision he had at his disposal, and I'm content with the idea there was zero long term ramifications. 1 year of Cody Ceci is 100% not worth the attention it's getting, but these are the lengths people are going to to shred dubas.

I'm confident had he made a different move, that one would have been shredded with hindsight as well. But I doubt he checks hockeybuzz prior to returning calls so who gives a (frank). 🤷‍♂️

with the benefit of hindsight sure... in older posts you seemed good with both those moves at the time. a lot of us did at the time (me included). Id still do the Ceci deal, but not so much Barrie

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=160869&page=10
- senstroll

Ohhh poop ...a lil' research pays off!

Itll be interesting to see what happens with the Flyers. They certainly appear to be loaded. And they have the defensive depth to deal with the Leafs. Theyre window is now

Maybe Nylander For Gostisbehere would work

Oh? You want him to go online and act like a goof with terrible hockey opinions?
- GreatGigInTheSky

Peace and love my friend. All the best.

The problem with signing someone is that it doesn't exactly work by poking the player and saying "mine now". It involves the other party wanting to sign with the team as well.

It's easy for everyone to say could have should have, reality is none of us know poop. I trust the GM made the best decision he had at his disposal, and I'm content with the idea there was zero long term ramifications. 1 year of Cody Ceci is 100% not worth the attention it's getting, but these are the lengths people are going to to shred dubas.

I'm confident had he made a different move, that one would have been shredded with hindsight as well. But I doubt he checks hockeybuzz prior to returning calls so who gives a (frank). 🤷‍♂️
- joel878

Yup, he signed after free agency. Dubas had a chance to talk to every single player available, he checked on the trade market...no dice.

So you sign the legit NHLer to a 1 year commitment. Easy decision.

far superior eh?
Ok.
Better scoring sure but that could change.
What else was Kessel far superior at than willie?
- Fakepartofme

hot dogs eating

hot dogs eating
- Symba007

Ask H to pop over when you get a moment. Please and thank you.

Clean this monkey cage up. At least open the friggin window

far superior eh?
Ok.
Better scoring sure but that could change.
What else was Kessel far superior at than willie?
- Fakepartofme

My favourite thing about Kessel is that when he was a leaf a lot of people said he didn't have the heart and drive to win in the playoffs. (Not unlike what we are hearing about the young stars now)

He has had some pretty good playoff success for someone with no heart or drive to win in the playoffs.

Wrong. Scandella was traded in 2017 with other cap dumps.

Scandella was on the Sabres for 3 years before being traded to the Habs in January of this year.

You can't see the reasoning behind the signing, I have explained it and proved you wrong on your "Scandella" trade. There was no one available so he signed Ceci after free agency.
- Santo_44

great for Santo-44 - points for you "you proved me wrong"

here's a small sampling of what would have been available in summer 2019
Ben Hutton (LA) in 09/2019 1.5M FA
Michael Stone (CAL) 09/2019 1.0 FA

now to be clear - even though I know of course that you are always right - this is just two guys were still available in September... I'm not going to waste any time on looking further back.

suffice say Dubas had choices. he chose Ceci and Barrie. he didn't have to make those choices.

I'm going to grab lunch now... but I want you to be aware that I'll will be crying through my lunch becasuse I was wrong.

Ohhh poop ...a lil' research pays off!
- The Law

im just reading through the Kadri/Barrie thread now.

its just annoying when the hindsight junkies come in to provide an update on the (frank) ups.

first own up to your initial thoughts...then trash everything

My favourite thing about Kessel is that when he was a leaf a lot of people said he didn't have the heart and drive to win in the playoffs. (Not unlike what we are hearing about the young stars now)

He has had some pretty good playoff success for someone with no heart or drive to win in the playoffs.
- Leafs43

Some pretty awesome team mates as well.

My favourite thing about Kessel is that when he was a leaf a lot of people said he didn't have the heart and drive to win in the playoffs. (Not unlike what we are hearing about the young stars now)

He has had some pretty good playoff success for someone with no heart or drive to win in the playoffs.
- Leafs43

The guy was a leader too. Took all the arrows. Hes a true pro's pro

I am positive Dubas tried, in fact all insiders said the Leafs were in on shatty however he didn't want to go to Toronto.

The point is here, Dubas didn't find a player available to either sign or make a fair trade at a 1 year commitment. Ceci it was.
- Santo_44

My only nuance on that take is that "in hindsight" I think he'd have rather walked from Ceci if he could have. Start the year with marincin or find another filler like him. The cap space could have been helpful during the year. Add a bigger piece during the year. Capspace = more options.

I'm not arguing it was a bad decision at the time ...although it was questioned heavily (the signing not the trade) ...I'm only saying in terms of looking back he'd probably rather have not signed him.

And again most of us were very positive about the Barrie acquisition at the time. Now, we'd rather have that one back too.

Itll be interesting to see what happens with the Flyers. They certainly appear to be loaded. And they have the defensive depth to deal with the Leafs. Theyre window is now

Maybe Nylander For Gostisbehere would work
- ThundernLightning

acquring Gostisbehere is essentially acquiring Barrie all over again.

not what the Leafs need - although I think he's about 5'10" - so Dubas would love him.