That's why the Manson deal makes so much sense. The money is right and the term and age are perfect.
- dozerD10

Yes it does. Makes sense for both teams to look into that type of deal.

I'm not going to say no to a guy like Pietro... But (frank)ing hell, some of the same guys on here complaining we signed Tavares to a big number in free agency are touting doing the same with Pietrangelo as the obvious solution. We have had to have learned enough to know by now that big cap into a few players may not be a slam dunk solution.

I like the deal we discussed... (Marner + Bracco for Silfverberg + Manson + Larsson + pick #36)

Im also liking the idea of Arvidson + dman + picks for Marner. Which is perfect. Couldn't hockeybuzz trade Marner without really exploring that market for max potential. 🤣

31 goals, 59 points in 70 games. He's only 24...

Manson has his negatives as well.
- RogerRoeper

No doubt no ones perfect.
But he’s exactly with the Leafs need in spades..

Do you think Dubois is getting away with what he did with Josh around??

Check out what he did to Myers and Gio...

YOu can have Kerfoot instead. No way Leafs are giving up Robertson - he already brings the same as Johnsson but at 2.5mln AAV less.

Any chance Ducks are willing to trade Hampus Lindholm?
- MaximusAurelius

5 game sample set on Robertson

Nylander had an awful season last year (after holding out), and 2 very weak consecutive playoff series - this year an ok regular season.

Marner had a great season last year, a good playoffs series and now under Keefe a meh regular season and a subpar pre-playoffs series. (still better than nylander imo)

but somehow, Marner seems to have lost the support of Leafs fans?

Seems to me a lot of people are focusing too much on the 10+ AAV and the money - jealousy blinds people apparently
- MaximusAurelius

You moron, Every guy in the league makes more than I do, I guess I MUST be jealous of them all.

No doubt no ones perfect.
But he’s exactly with the Leafs need in spades..

Do you think Dubois is getting away with what he did with Josh around??

Check out what he did to Myers and Gio...
- dozerD10

100% I do, players dont get penalized and the threat of fighting doesnt deter anyone

that said, having better all around play in thier own zone would help

5 game sample set on Robertson
- drexel

I'm willing to take a chance on him over Johnsson for sure.
Johnsson is turning 26 in 2 months - he's already in his peak (if not peaked).
He's a third liner paid 3.4mln - talk about a bad contract.
Robertson surely can bring the same Johnsson brings - but at 2.5mln less.

Leafs have:

Kapanen
Johnsson
Nylander
Kerfoot
Robertson
Mikheyev
Barabanov
Korshkov
Engvall
Petan

all competing for 6 roster spots. (Hyman and Marner on that first line with Tavares).

that's 10 guys for 6 (7 if you count the reserves) positions.
you get rid of Nylander (most value + highest AAV) and Johnsson and Kerfoot (yes, he's not a C).

and if you don't want to play Korshkov/Petan, there's several good UFA wingers available (+ what you bring back for Willie and Johnsson and Kerfoot).

You moron, Every guy in the league makes more than I do, I guess I MUST be jealous of them all.
- bixll

Marner being from Toronto - and being the 'fan favorite' before somehow is now 'greedy Marner' even if he had better seasons than Matthews and signed a longer contract in years + didn't hold out like Nylander.

yes, people are jealous because Marner 'the Toronto native' makes more than 10mln.

there's no way. not enough spelling mistakes.
- BINGO!

Dammit, I think you're right.

Maybe his brother?

100% I do, players dont get penalized and the threat of fighting doesnt deter anyone

that said, having better all around play in thier own zone would help
- senstroll

Having a better defensive presence in their own zone is a big need obviously. But while fighting may not be a deterrent anymore, I think the difference is made in having a player on the ice that makes the opposition put more second guesses into where he is every time they look to cross our blueline.

A guy like Manson would make a huge difference in that regard. Dubois didn't really take off until Muzzin went down. If you can employ that threat on 2/3 pairings things are a hair different.

Marner being from Toronto - and being the 'fan favorite' before somehow is now 'greedy Marner' even if he had better seasons than Matthews and signed a longer contract in years + didn't hold out like Nylander.

yes, people are jealous because Marner 'the Toronto native' makes more than 10mln.
- MaximusAurelius

I'll double down on that. Suggesting it's a matter of fan jealously is one of the stupidest (frank)ing things I've ever had the misfortune of reading.

I've come to the conclusion that it's folly to predict any contracts for the upcoming offseason.

It will be very interesting to watch college football (if it happens) and the NFL.

If the NFL shuts down, or at least has great difficulties, can you really imagine a 2020-21 NHL season? What does it look like? Bubble for 6 weeks, 2 weeks off, bubble for 6 weeks, 2 weeks off?

I'm going to hold off on making any predictions until at least October 1st.
- Atomic Wedgie

The USA will be knee deep in corpses by then. There won't be a regular season anything down here.

Marner being from Toronto - and being the 'fan favorite' before somehow is now 'greedy Marner' even if he had better seasons than Matthews and signed a longer contract in years + didn't hold out like Nylander.

yes, people are jealous because Marner 'the Toronto native' makes more than 10mln.
- MaximusAurelius

Set the glue bottle down and walk away...

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Hintz - Matthews - Heinen
Robertson - Faksa - Mikheyev
Barabanov - Engvall - Korshkov
13: Gauthier/UFA

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Muzzin - Dermott
Sandin - Liljegren
7th: Lehtonen/Holl/UFA

Lankinen
Campbell
Woll

trade Andersen to Edmonton for a 1st + 2nd round pick
trade Nylander + Kerfoot + 1st to Dallas for Hintz and Faksa
Kapanen to Anaheim for Heinen
trade Johnsson to Chicago for Lankinen - he can compete with Campbell for the starting spot.
sign UFA Pietrangelo.

Having a better defensive presence in their own zone is a big need obviously. But while fighting may not be a deterrent anymore, I think the difference is made in having a player on the ice that makes the opposition put more second guesses into where he is every time they look to cross our blueline.

A guy like Manson would make a huge difference in that regard. Dubois didn't really take off until Muzzin went down. If you can employ that threat on 2/3 pairings things are a hair different.
- joel878

ugh..Muzzin going down really threw all the D out of wack. i like the leafs chances if he plays

Set the glue bottle down and walk away...
- bixll

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Hintz - Matthews - Heinen
Robertson - Faksa - Mikheyev
Barabanov - Engvall - Korshkov
13: Gauthier/UFA

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Muzzin - Dermott
Sandin - Liljegren
7th: Lehtonen/Holl/UFA

Lankinen
Campbell
Woll

trade Andersen to Edmonton for a 1st + 2nd round pick
trade Nylander + Kerfoot + 1st to Dallas for Hintz and Faksa
Kapanen to Anaheim for Heinen
trade Johnsson to Chicago for Lankinen - he can compete with Campbell for the starting spot.
sign UFA Pietrangelo.
- MaximusAurelius

dont like that willie deal

whats up with Kase in Boston, he would be a good low key add to replace a winger a bit cheaper and better def.

Marner being from Toronto - and being the 'fan favorite' before somehow is now 'greedy Marner' even if he had better seasons than Matthews and signed a longer contract in years + didn't hold out like Nylander.

yes, people are jealous because Marner 'the Toronto native' makes more than 10mln.
- MaximusAurelius

People are jealous of Dubas, which is why some irrationally complains about him.

I'll double down on that. Suggesting it's a matter of fan jealously is one of the stupidest (frank)ing things I've ever had the misfortune of reading.
- joel878

Max is incredibly stupid.

https://jayscare5050.com/

big jackpot for the jays "home opener"

i think I should win as a consolation prize for the Leafs losing to lumbus and the draft

dont like that willie deal

whats up with Kase in Boston, he would be a good low key add to replace a winger a bit cheaper and better def.
- senstroll

I don't think Dallas fans are keen to give up Faksa and Hintz for Nylander, Kerfoot and the Edmonton Oilers 1st (14th overall).

Hintz and Faksa both need new contracts btw; both RFAs.

As an example: Pietrangelo at 7.5 x 6 (that's probably the highest contract he'll be able to get; and Leafs are one of the only team that are able to guarantee 95% of his contract in bonuses) + a 2nd (Johnsson) and a 3rd (Kerfoot) is better for this Leafs team than having Johnsson and Kerfoot on the Leafs next season (at a million less AAV).
- MaximusAurelius

If that's the type of talent we would have to lose....I'm in.

If that's the deal Pietra is taking...I'm in.

Not sure both of those things will be true but, it they are, I'm with you on this one Max.

I've come to the conclusion that it's folly to predict any contracts for the upcoming offseason.

It will be very interesting to watch college football (if it happens) and the NFL.

If the NFL shuts down, or at least has great difficulties, can you really imagine a 2020-21 NHL season? What does it look like? Bubble for 6 weeks, 2 weeks off, bubble for 6 weeks, 2 weeks off?

I'm going to hold off on making any predictions until at least October 1st.
- Atomic Wedgie

The compelling interests (AP wanting to max his career earnings and some team(s) competing to win at all costs) never go away.

Maybe some guys sign a 1 yr deal if the risk of injury is low but I can't imagine the best guys entering their 30's sign short term.

If that's the type of talent we would have to lose....I'm in.

If that's the deal Pietra is taking...I'm in.

Not sure both of those things will be true but, it they are, I'm with you on this one Max.
- underhill14

I guess it will be harder to get a 2nd and 3rd for Johnsson and Kerfoot contracts than to convince Pietrangelo for 7.5x6 guaranteed (all obviously because of the impact of covid on nhl and insecurities around next season).

Marner being from Toronto - and being the 'fan favorite' before somehow is now 'greedy Marner' even if he had better seasons than Matthews and signed a longer contract in years + didn't hold out like Nylander.

yes, people are jealous because Marner 'the Toronto native' makes more than 10mln.
- MaximusAurelius

I’m not jealous of anyone. I make more than I need and I don’t care if someone makes more money than I do.

It’s a matter of perception. If a player had one great season and signed a deal most insiders consider an overpayment, and doesn’t seem to earn his keep when it matters, people tend to get upset, especially if his contract has a negative impact on team’s ability to address other needs.

I don’t care if either WN or MM gets traded. I just don’t want to see AM oe Reilly leaving. But they can do bigger things with Marner trade.

People are jealous of Dubas, which is why some irrationally complains about him.
- Steven_Seagull

Max is on another level