I like Pietro...but at 30 I'd be very cautious at signing him long term for large amounts of money.
If he gets injured, we are back to where we are now...sans willie or Marner.
Maybe take the 9-10 million and get a quality 4-5 million D and find a quality 3-4 million D to fill out the top 4 with Reilly and Muzz.
that drops Dermott and whoever down to 3rd pairing where they should be. If one the new or current top 4 D gets injure, you can move up dermott for a bit.
- Fakepartofme

its unlikely you are going to find a true 1-2 defenseman is available .. and if so at what price.

not sure if your second suggestion isn't a better idea.. get a couple of "robust" middle of the road guys and then sprinkle in the kids.

but don't saddle Rielly with having to carry around another Ceci. Holl looked fine with Muzzin, long stick breaks up plays. Find another guy who's not too expensive that fits that mold... who isn't Marty Marincin

If I can modify the question to "aging star', the answer is "every team who has ever make that trade with the Leafs."
- Atomic Wedgie

Teemu for Oleg / Chad Kilger... is the very definition of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuhDst2KWSI

I don't like paying a goalie over 6 million. Florida is screwed with Bob. Freddy will want a big payday and I can't see Dubas keeping him. Lehner is a UFA but he'll want to cash in so you wouldn't be saving much cap space with him.

Do you give Campbell a shot at being the #1 guy? Trade for Murray or Jarry? Lots of goalie options. That's for sure. Holtby will want a Bob deal. No thanks.
- gergeswillems

I doubt Dubas is willing to pay Campbell 1.6 million to play 20 game a season. With that being the case I think it’s time to get a cheaper goalie to split time with him.

I think it’s more important to fill out this team than have an overpaid goalie play 65 games a season.

Two decent goalies and hope one gets hot come playoff time. It can’t be worse than hoping Freddy gets hot every playoffs.

Trade for Jarry? That’s an option. There are some UFA’s worth looking into.

I think I’m over paying any goalie over 5 million unless they are a legit star and 23/24 years old. So vaselevsky and Gibson...that’s it. Probably Carter Hart soon as well.

Marner had a bad playoffs series.
So did Nylander.

Marner plays with heart and actually cares.
He is a great passer, valuable on PP1 and PK1.
He is very capable of 100pts/season for next 5-7 seasons.

It's such an easy choice to move Nylander over Marner because:
1/ Marner is a way better player
2/ There are more teams that can add a 6.9AAV contract than a 10+AAV contract.

There are no d-man available for Willie that would be 1st line partners for Rielly (at least no proven young #2 RHD).

The plan is to move Nylander Kerfoot and Johnsson (That's almost 14mln AAV) for players and picks - a #3C and a 2nd line LW to play with Matthews. Faksa + Hintz are still the guys to target here - they bring exactly what Leafs need. Then with the capspace created, sign UFA Pietrangelo.

I'm not going to jump into the whole "woke" debate... I don't understand and don't particularly want to. I will say.. I don't really care if the GM is young or the GM is old...
what I care about is if they appear to have a plan and how they react when sh_t doesn't go exactly as planned.


Its pretty clear Dubas has a plan, its also VERY clear that the plan("philosophy") has flaws... and it isn't just execution.

small, quick, puck possession - pressure the puck

I get the intent... but whether you blame Dubas for the contracts or you don't, whether you blame for the 1st rounder to get rid of Marleau - or you don't... he owns the roster construction.

1) he took FAR too long to address the back-up goalie situation - that he created -1
2) he traded a value player (Kadri) for two experiments - and rewarded one the experiments with about a 1M$ greater contract than he deserves - the 2nd experiment was intended to shore-up the defense. On paper, probably on spreadsheet a good gamble to take - but one you'd have to classify as an abject failure at this point. Barrie didn't really contribute anything to the powerplay at all (yes he was given plenty of opportunity after Babcock's departure) and Barrie's play in his own zone, was ... crap (I'm being polite). He's a defenseman who has no idea how to defend. I'm throwing up in my mouth a bit.. he makes Gardiner look like a Norris candidate. Even the Dubas-lovers would have to admit that the "analysis" that was done ahead of acquiring Barrie was not exactly great. -1.5
3) he(Dubas) resigned Martin Marincin. Let that sink in... we all screamed at Babcock for playing the guy... and why (if anyone can explain it) would he sign him ahead of time? was there going to be rush of offers for him?

4) the whole Zaitsev to Ottawa - Ceci to Toronto thing. From my observations of this season, Ceci's a borderline but only slightly better version of Marincin. They are both biggish guys who get bounced around regularly by much smaller players. And each one guarantees a complete brain-fart or two EACH game they play. Acquiring Ceci was a fail, signing to 4.5 was a fail -1.5
We gave a really useful utility player Connor Brown who can play up and down the lineup to get of Zaitsev's contract - and then still had to take Ceci in return.
major fail
5) acquires Calle Rosen.... why? getting someone like Scandella for a 4th round pick wouldn't have fit the philosophy I guess..
6) Malgin for Marchment? why? oh yeah... I forgot Marchment was too tall.
7) Campell and Clifford for Trevor Moore and 2x 3rd round pick - good move, addressed some needs in the line-up - got some value for a borderline NHLer little guy. +1 But remind me why does a Dubas need Clifford? - I'm not thinking he fits the philosophy

you can blame LouLams if you like, but Lou didn't construct the Leafs D.. that's on Dubas all day long. What's the Leafs biggest achilles heel?

you can try and blame LouLams for the forwards, but that's on Dubas as well. He's built roster around 4 salaries... and what he's fill the roster out will look largely the same... largely small guys who were/are easily separated from the puck, aren't robust in their own zone and who disappear largely when the playoff intensity picks up. Tell me again why the fourth line was largely effective against Columbus?

stop defending Dubas. He should not be fired - yet. He MUST start making adjustments that reflect that his "philosophy" is flawed.
- BorjeFan4Ever

There's a few of your reasons I don't agree with.. But I agree with the premise.

I don't think any of it is reasoning he should be fired because. 1.) No GM is likely to have a flawless record and pristine results 2 years into the job and 2.) That means starting fresh with someone new who is going to be needing his own couple year grace period to gear the team towards his own philosophy.

I'd even go as far as to say someone is a shortsighted dumbass if they think firing him is the best option and is going to result in what they think...

Best option is that dubas now has an adequate window on the job to have an understanding of what the team truly requires, and doesnt make any mistakes in executing those changes.

Marner had a bad playoffs series.
So did Nylander.

Marner plays with heart and actually cares.
He is a great passer, valuable on PP1 and PK1.
He is very capable of 100pts/season for next 5-7 seasons.

It's such an easy choice to move Nylander over Marner because:
1/ Marner is a way better player
2/ There are more teams that can add a 6.9AAV contract than a 10+AAV contract.

There are no d-man available for Willie that would be 1st line partners for Rielly (at least no proven young #2 RHD).

The plan is to move Nylander Kerfoot and Johnsson (That's almost 14mln AAV) for players and picks - a #3C and a 2nd line LW to play with Matthews. Faksa + Hintz are still the guys to target here - they bring exactly what Leafs need. Then with the capspace created, sign UFA Pietrangelo.
- MaximusAurelius

Marner just makes too much. Its his own doing...and if he is the one that gets moved...cant feel bad for him if he wanted to be in Toronto

zero goals in 5 games for 11mil

Marner just makes too much. Its his own doing...and if he is the one that gets moved...cant feel bad for him if he wanted to be in Toronto

zero goals in 5 games for 11mil
- senstroll

Did he forget how to handle the puck during the pandemic??

It's why signing Pietrangelo would be such a steal. Just like signing Tavares was. You're giving up no assets. Just cap space. It's not very often a bonafide #1 defenseman hits UFA. Leafs should be all over Petro like Roeper on pornhub.
- gergeswillems

In most cases those are one and the same.

We would need to lose salary...young talent...to actually fit Pet's Cap hit.

If Pietro can be signed at a reasonable number... I'm in. I don't see it. Just opinion of course but I see Pietro raking 10 mil on the open market. Doughty and Karlsson are going to be comparables, he's going to flout that they took their money without even touching the market... And he's gonna have more than one team wanting to back the truck up.

That doesn't work for me. Because we will still be left with 40+ million between 4 players. That kind of lineup structure is one we need to get away from... In my opinion.

At that point, I'd rather trade Marner for a replacement winger at 5ish, a top 4 RHD at 4ish...and some picks and prospects or whatever. It's just better use of cap.
- joel878

That's why the Manson deal makes so much sense. The money is right and the term and age are perfect.

Did he forget how to handle the puck during the pandemic??
- bixll

After his hands broke from trying to carry the cash away from the deal.

Roeper does hear alot of things. Some are even outside of his own head.
- gergeswillems

I truly think Roeper is Bushkorn

In most cases those are one and the same.

We would need to lose salary...young talent...to actually fit Pet's Cap hit.
- underhill14

As an example: Pietrangelo at 7.5 x 6 (that's probably the highest contract he'll be able to get; and Leafs are one of the only team that are able to guarantee 95% of his contract in bonuses) + a 2nd (Johnsson) and a 3rd (Kerfoot) is better for this Leafs team than having Johnsson and Kerfoot on the Leafs next season (at a million less AAV).

That's why the Manson deal makes so much sense. The money is right and the term and age are perfect.
- dozerD10

Manson + Heinen for Nylander

After his hands broke from trying to carry the cash away from the deal.
- AdamFrench

He played like a scared 14 yr old... Softer than baby POOP

Well, when he gets traded because of his crap contract, he can blame himself and no one else. Maybe his Dad.

In all seriousness, Marner lost a lot of fans respect during the series.

Manson + Heinen for Nylander
- MaximusAurelius

and Robertson...

You're not getting a hard nosed badass Manson and Danton for Charmin soft Willy Without Roberstson.. Nuts to that.

In most cases those are one and the same.

We would need to lose salary...young talent...to actually fit Pet's Cap hit.
- underhill14

But this is false logic.

If you lose salary and young talent, you can acquire back picks, prospects and lower cap-hit players in return.

Manson + Heinen for Nylander
- MaximusAurelius

I really worried how overhyped these Ducks D have been the past few years. Remember when Leafs should trade for Montour?

I truly think Roeper is Bushkorn
- Kinger34

there's no way. not enough spelling mistakes.

He played like a scared 14 yr old... Softer than baby POOP

Well, when he gets traded because of his crap contract, he can blame himself and no one else. Maybe his Dad.

In all seriousness, Marner lost a lot of fans respect during the series.
- bixll

Nylander had an awful season last year (after holding out), and 2 very weak consecutive playoff series - this year an ok regular season.

Marner had a great season last year, a good playoffs series and now under Keefe a meh regular season and a subpar pre-playoffs series. (still better than nylander imo)

but somehow, Marner seems to have lost the support of Leafs fans?

Seems to me a lot of people are focusing too much on the 10+ AAV and the money - jealousy blinds people apparently

and Robertson...

You're not getting a hard nosed badass Manson and Danton for Charmin soft Willy Without Roberstson.. Nuts to that.
- dozerD10

YOu can have Kerfoot instead. No way Leafs are giving up Robertson - he already brings the same as Johnsson but at 2.5mln AAV less.

Any chance Ducks are willing to trade Hampus Lindholm?

and Robertson...

You're not getting a hard nosed badass Manson and Danton for Charmin soft Willy Without Roberstson.. Nuts to that.
- dozerD10

31 goals, 59 points in 70 games. He's only 24...

Manson has his negatives as well.

Nylander had an awful season last year (after holding out), and 2 very weak consecutive playoff series - this year an ok regular season.

Marner had a great season last year, a good playoffs series and now under Keefe a meh regular season and a subpar pre-playoffs series. (still better than nylander imo)

but somehow, Marner seems to have lost the support of Leafs fans?

Seems to me a lot of people are focusing too much on the 10+ AAV and the money - jealousy blinds people apparently
- MaximusAurelius

are you saying that leaf fans are jealous that a pro athlete makes 10 million?

anyways...wouldnt that apply to AM/JT also then? dont see the same things being said about them.

Mitch got his 11 mil and scores zero goals against Columbus. he signed the big boy contract, live up to it

I really worried how overhyped these Ducks D have been the past few years. Remember when Leafs should trade for Montour?
- RogerRoeper

Montour... I would never suggest anybody trade for him...

Josh is on a whole different plane from him.

I like Manson but Willy can net a better D.