Rangers will have 2 nice picks in the upcoming draft
Theirs and the Leafs

This.

The Leafs failure is 100% Dubas.

He decided he was going to reinvent how hockey is played, sitting there looking at his stupid fücking charts and graphs pretending he knows anything about hockey.

Terrible GM. I don’t even want to hear pathetic condescending voice on Wednesday. I hope Shanny grows a pair and fires his ass.
- Tanooki

Maybe Shanahan is the one who needs to go...

Except those teams don't have more money than the Leafs LOL. Tampa signed Point for 3 years. Have you taken a look at their cap?

People continuously display a lack of knowledge about the cap situations of all teams other than the Leafs.
- RogerRoeper

Poor comparison. Lightning are a Cap team, but with no REAL glaring hole as they attempt to win a Cup. Sure, some ongoing tweaks as players end their term and need to be extended or let go or traded. But, they have a good goalie, a solid D-core of 3-4 good solid defencemen, and a group of forwards among the top 3-4 teams in the league. Yes. Their CAP situation is as tight as the Leafs...But Leafs have a horrid defence. Forwards who are solid in the "O" zone, not so much in their own end or at grinding and digging and fighting in crowds for pucks. And...by YOUR OWN constant complaining, don't have a goalie worth a (*&%%$^$. So when you have to address glaring weaknesses, and are unwilling to move 40 million of your top 4 players....you are handcuffed. You can tweak by moving a Kapanen or a Johansson....but, that is minor....you get nothing of significance back.
The Leafs issue is CAP....but, Cap as it relates to such top heavy investment in just 4 guys who eat half your budget.....then trying to get 17 other quality ones out of the remaining 45 million.
All Caps are NOT created equal. Being up against the Cap is quite different from team to team.

Maybe Shanahan is the one who needs to go...
- MisterBrown

Because Leafs were so solid when he arrived.

Rangers will have 2 nice picks in the upcoming draft
Theirs and the Leafs
- zazzle

No, Canes have the Leafs‘ pick. The Rangers have the Canes’ pick.

Poor comparison. Lightning are a Cap team, but with no REAL glaring hole as they attempt to win a Cup. Sure, some ongoing tweaks as players end their term and need to be extended or let go or traded. But, they have a good goalie, a solid D-core of 3-4 good solid defencemen, and a group of forwards among the top 3-4 teams in the league. Yes. Their CAP situation is as tight as the Leafs...But Leafs have a horrid defence. Forwards who are solid in the "O" zone, not so much in their own or at grinding and digging and fighting in crowds for pucks. And...by YOUR OWN constant complaining, don't have a goalie worth a (*&%%$^$. So when you have to address glaring weaknesses, and are unwilling to move 40 million of yout top 4 players....you are handcuffed. You can tweak by moving a Kapanen or a Johansson....but, that is minor....you get nothing of significance back.
The Leafs issue is CAP....but, Cap as it relate to such top heavy investment in just 4 guys who eat half your budget.....then trying to get 17 other quality ones out of the remaining 45 million.
All Caps are NOT created equal. Being up against the Cap is quite different from team to team.
- hawk35

This is not correct. they will have to trade a core player or two. And how do they have no weakness? They can't get it done in the playoffs. And how many more good years does Stamkos have with his injuries?

No that doesn't make it a max contract at all. Mcdavid at 12.5 per is not even close.

There is in fact a real "Max" every year. It's far higher than any Leaf deal.
- RogerRoeper

Fine, I’ll give in to your semantics and instead of saying “max” I’ll say “among the highest 6 contracts of any player in the league”.

The fact remains, had Marner signed a bridge deal, he still likely wouldn’t have gotten more than he has right now

Rangers will have 2 nice picks in the upcoming draft
Theirs and the Leafs
- zazzle

No. Carolina gets the leaf pick and NY gets the canes pick which is worse than where the leaf pick is.

Because Leafs were so solid when he arrived.
- RogerRoeper

How long has he been there now?

This is not correct. they will have to trade a core player or two. And how do they have no weakness? They can't get it done in the playoffs. And how many more good years does Stamkos have with his injuries?
- RogerRoeper

Tampa is a far far superior team to the leafs, you should really stop using them as your basis for comparison.

This is not correct. they will have to trade a core player or two. And how do they have no weakness? They can't get it done in the playoffs. And how many more good years does Stamkos have with his injuries?
- RogerRoeper

Teams will take Tyler Johnson. That didn't sound right. A team will trade for Tyler Johnson.

Tampa is a far far superior team to the leafs, you should really stop using them as your basis for comparison.
- sensarmy_11

Leafs beat Tampa 2-1 before the stoppage.

How long has he been there now?
- MisterBrown

Long enough to never win a playoff round

This is not correct. they will have to trade a core player or two. And how do they have no weakness? They can't get it done in the playoffs. And how many more good years does Stamkos have with his injuries?
- RogerRoeper

THEY will have to trade a CORE PLAYER OR TWO....but Leafs unwilling to move any of their top 4???? lol.

I will take the Lightning construction of Stamkoes, Point, Kucherov, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Vasilevsky anyday. At least covers the net, defence and forward....Anyway, I like you LOVE the Leaf roster construction. I hope management does too. Many more years of regular season OK-ness. Playoff bombings!

This is simply not true. Everyone was very worried about that 3rd year.

And it seems like you're trying to get Lou off the hook with this stuff. Marleau's contract makes far worse sense than anyone Dubas has given out.
- RogerRoeper

How do you blame a guy for trying to bring in an excellent mentor with good speed and put up almost 30 goals? The fault for the 13th overall pick is only Dubas’.
Metrics and assumptions that based on great offence would comes playoffs leaving a first round pick in the mid to mid-late round. Thus, leading Dubas to believe trading the first to get rid of Marleau’s contract was an analytical decision.
Trading Kadri and Marleau for Kerfoot and Barrie was a bad summer for Kyle.
At 13th overall the Leafs could land a very solid defensive prospect or a great goaltending prospect.

Blaming Dubas for not trading away Nylander, or a different player with a larger cap, to bring in obvious help on defence is why Dubas looks like a ghost of himself today compared to when he was the assistant GM under Lou.

Shanahan has had 6 years and no win in a single playoff series, as they missed the playoffs in year 6. What are his successes? Btw bright in Lou and Babcock. Both of whom have been fired. Why's he untouchable?

He brought in guys that got fired. He's fired the GM and the coach. What makes him so special.

THEY will have to trade a CORE PLAYER OR TWO....but Leafs unwilling to move any of their top 4???? lol.

I will take the Lightning construction of Stamkoes, Point, Kucherov, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Vasilevsky anyday. At least covers the net, defence and forward....Anyway, I like you LOVE the Leaf roster construction. I hope management does too. Many more years of regular season OK-ness. Playoff bombings!
- hawk35

Leafs will trade Nylander, or Marner, but likely Nylander.

No, Canes have the Leafs‘ pick. The Rangers have the Canes’ pick.
- Steven_Seagull

check again

it's the best of the two which is the Leafs

https://www.prosportstran...raftTrades/Years/2020.htm

Shanahan has had 6 years and no win in a single playoff series, as they missed the playoffs in year 6. What are his successes? Btw bright in Lou and Babcock. Both of whom have been fired. Why's he untouchable?

He brought in guys that got fired. He's fired the GM and the coach. What makes him so special.
- MisterBrown

hes a HOFamer with multiple cup rings?

check again

it's the best of the two which is the Leafs

https://www.prosportstran...raftTrades/Years/2020.htm
- zazzle

your own link says its the worst of the two.

check again

it's the best of the two which is the Leafs

https://www.prosportstran...raftTrades/Years/2020.htm
- zazzle

*Conditions: NY Rangers will receive the later (or lower) of either the Carolina or Toronto 2020 1st round picks

- CapFriendly

check again

it's the best of the two which is the Leafs

https://www.prosportstran...raftTrades/Years/2020.htm
- zazzle

oh wait a minute here George

the gull maybe onto something here

d'oh

Leafs will trade Nylander, or Marner, but likely Nylander.
- Steven_Seagull

No. No. No. According to this board, and Roger, Nylander is one of the BEST contracts in the league and sbhouldn't be moved. Everything here suggests Kapanen or Johnsson or whatever is moved, fringe guys....and some big haul coming back. Heck, Roger even wants Anderson dropped. So now you need a #1 goalie, THAT"S not gonna be cheap. And replace Barrie....compared to the Tampa situation...chaulk and cheese...

Leafs will trade Nylander, or Marner, but likely Nylander.
- Steven_Seagull

Only if there’s a solid return, otherwise it’s Sandin, Lehtonen, Robertson and whoever they can get for Johnson, Kapanen type deals. With what’s likely to be a very weird trade market, Dubas won’t feel compelled to make a deal to satisfy the smart people here.

And....Rangers winning the Lafreniere sweepstakes is such a releif. With the Oilers, Leafs and Pens in there....just hoped one of those 3 chokers that lost the play-in and were clear favorites didn't get the prize. Not a Ranger fan, but if it wasn't those 3 teams mentioned, all is good!!!