Holl and Engvall are legit NHLers

good ones too
- Santo_44

you're (frank)ing kidding yourself if you think Justin Holl is anything beyond a bottom pair defender

Yup.

But I was more thinking more of posting this picture if he asked how it could be worse-




- GreatGigInTheSky

thing is this idiot has owned the team and they've;

made 3 conference finals
cup final
eastern conference championship
president's trophy
multiple division banners
2 Norris trophies
jack Adam's
Masterton

he's a bafoon but still basically done almost everything you can but win cup since he's taken over... just saying

just so we're clear, we're all trying to fix the defense even though the leafs got shut out twice in 5 games, right?

Maybe the problem is that they were getting killed every time the top line wasn't out there and depth is a real issue?

i'll hang up and listen.
- BINGO!

I wouldnt say they were getting killed.

you're (frank)ing kidding yourself if you think Justin Holl is anything beyond a bottom pair defender
- BINGO!

its hilarious that some actually think that.

You can't have a bubble for 7 months.

You can only push out the start of the season so far (in hopes of a vaccine, which IMHO is wildly optimistic).

The league has a hard deadline of season being over by July 15th, as that's when NBC is hoping to begin Olympic coverage, and they have made it crystal clear that no hockey coverage will occur while Olympics are on.

I think poop is going to get a lot more real in the coming weeks with MLB, NFL and college football - it's going to become painfully apparent that loose bubbles will not work.

I'm extremely pessimistic about next year. I won't be surprised to see it cancelled.
- Atomic Wedgie

I said a series of bubbles with breaks. I don’t think a season that requires travel is possible. If they break the season into chunks and play in 5, 6 or 7 cities with time in between they could combine the safety of the bubble with time with families.

Quote from Torts:


- Atomic Wedgie

Pretty much a shot at the Max's of the world.

The "this is Dubas's fault" or "fire Keefe" sayers are idiots. Find solutions for what is wrong sure, but this is a team with loads of talent and and issue that the big boys are going to solve...and that is probably finding a horse they can play on D with Rielly.

I wonder if part of that is systemic.

like one of the things Brind'amour (and others) talked about with Jeff Skinner was that when he first joined the team he was so good that they didn't hold him accountable for the mistake he made defensively. They just let it slide as "rookie mistakes" or whatever, and then as he got older those habits didn't change and it effected the other players on the team.

It was easier for other guys to cheat and take shifts off because Jeff was doing it too and he didn't get poop on for it like other guys did.

That's the biggest shift under Brind'amour. Everyone is held to the same baseline standard regardless of skill level. There's a minimum that has to be met or you just don't see the ice.
- BINGO!

Absurd! What about players feewings?

thing is this idiot has owned the team and they've;

made 3 conference finals
cup final
eastern conference championship
president's trophy
multiple division banners
2 Norris trophies
jack Adam's
Masterton

he's a bafoon but still basically done almost everything you can but win cup since he's taken over... just saying
- Torontosensfan

Remember when he was hailed as the next great owner in the NHL? The one who was going to save the Sens?

you're (frank)ing kidding yourself if you think Justin Holl is anything beyond a bottom pair defender
- BINGO!

Sorry dude but the stats say he is better. Get mad at me all you want, when you look at the season as a whole he is a fine player at number 4.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

You seem tense today.

So we either get 1st overall or we don’t draft in the 1st round.

Tonight will be fun

Trump has his own clothing line.

He won't bail them out.

Biden, however...
- Atomic Wedgie

Brooks Brothers is everything Trump hates because he could never be part of the world it represents. Trump is a poor person’s idea of how the rich should look. Brooks Brothers is the establishment. I’m sure he’s been embarrassed n there.

Sorry dude but the stats say he is better. Get mad at me all you want, when you look at the season as a whole he is a fine player at number 4.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

You seem tense today.
- Santo_44

The stats says he's a 28 year old defenseman, likely at the tail end of his prime, who has negative possession stats relative to his teammates and, in all likelihood, never gets another NHL contract.

if he's still in the NHL in 3 years you can say "I told you so" otherwise he's Jay Harrison.

John Torterella is a coaching genius. Toronto is flawed in very specific ways, and Andersen may not be a championship goalie. Tort's knew exactly how to handle the Leafs, and it was the same strategy he used against the Lightning. The Leafs were done as soon as Covid postponed the season. The high pace, up-tempo style the Leafs play was stalled as they had no time to ramp up. Combine that with the significant holes on the blueline, and the brilliant defensive play of the Jackets, and this was the only logical outcome.

So we either get 1st overall or we don’t draft in the 1st round.

Tonight will be fun
- bryant

odds way against it, but man how fun chaotic would it be if the leafs got laf.

the crying and moaning about it being fixed would be delicious to watch.
same applies to Edmonton

if its not the leafs, my hope is minny...the least chaotic outcome

The stats says he's a 28 year old defenseman, likely at the tail end of his prime, who has negative possession stats relative to his teammates and, in all likelihood, never gets another NHL contract.

if he's still in the NHL in 3 years you can say "I told you so" otherwise he's Jay Harrison.
- BINGO!

https://public.tableau.co...=y&:origin=viz_share_link


mhm. ya

If management cant see that they had at least a dozen better options then Marincin, then they should be let go. I expect this management to sign this useless POS with a new 5 year contract with a no movement clause. Its been years since I have seen a player in the NHL this atrocious.

John Torterella is a coaching genius. Toronto is flawed in very specific ways, and Andersen may not be a championship goalie. Tort's knew exactly how to handle the Leafs, and it was the same strategy he used against the Lightning. The Leafs were done as soon as Covid postponed the season. The high pace, up-tempo style the Leafs play was stalled as they had no time to ramp up. Combine that with the significant holes on the blueline, and the brilliant defensive play of the Jackets, and this was the only logical outcome.
- Falon

wow the legend of Torts and the jackets grows.

like wtf...i would understand if they dominated everything and swept the leafs away...but they really just won with a hotter goalie while giving up the overall better chances

wow the legend of Torts and the jackets grows.

like wtf...i would understand if they dominated everything and swept the leafs away...but they really just won with a hotter goalie while giving up the overall better chances
- senstroll

Leaf fans

The stats says he's a 28 year old defenseman, likely at the tail end of his prime, who has negative possession stats relative to his teammates and, in all likelihood, never gets another NHL contract.

if he's still in the NHL in 3 years you can say "I told you so" otherwise he's Jay Harrison.
- BINGO!

Need some cap contracts to round out a team. What does $2 Milly get you now a days? Not including rookies on ELC’s, etc.

If management cant see that they had at least a dozen better options then Marincin, then they should be let go. I expect this management to sign this useless POS with a new 5 year contract with a no movement clause. Its been years since I have seen a player in the NHL this atrocious.
- ToMaLe

in a perfect situation he doesnt get into the series.
but there is maybe 1 or 2 other options...not a dozen or more

in a perfect situation he doesnt get into the series.
but there is maybe 1 or 2 other options...not a dozen or more
- senstroll

8 or 9 better options just on these boards...

He would absolutely look at blocking it, that's why he negotiated it into his deal in the first place.

He signed that contract to move his family to his home city and raise children there... Not just to play hockey. He's not going to void that because his feelings are hurt...

Even Kadri blocked a move until he didn't have the right to block it anymore.
- joel878

so you think the guy will stay with a team that doesn't want him anymore? the fans'll once they realize he's blocking the team from getting the D help they need will, if they are thinking, turn on him. He'd be a POS blocking trades to every team.

Kadri didn't want to go to Calgary. He went to a great team in Colorado. Point is that he still went. Did he play another game for the Leafs? NO. He left.

Just like Snake would leave. No one wants to stay in a poop situation.

with the offense the Leafs have, Andersen should NOT be blamed for last night. You ALL know the Leafs will allow a few goals a game but the team is built to outscore everyone, that's their identity. Goalie lets in 2 goals including one that deflected right in front of him and he made a bunch of nice saves, this one is NOT on him.
- Symba007

Completely agree.

so you think the guy will stay with a team that doesn't want him anymore? the fans'll once they realize he's blocking the team from getting the D help they need will, if they are thinking, turn on him. He'd be a POS blocking trades to every team.

Kadri didn't want to go to Calgary. He went to a great team in Colorado. Point is that he still went. Did he play another game for the Leafs? NO. He left.

Just like Snake would leave. No one wants to stay in a poop situation.
- MisterBrown

Why the (frank) is this even being discussed?

John Torterella is a coaching genius. Toronto is flawed in very specific ways, and Andersen may not be a championship goalie. Tort's knew exactly how to handle the Leafs, and it was the same strategy he used against the Lightning. The Leafs were done as soon as Covid postponed the season. The high pace, up-tempo style the Leafs play was stalled as they had no time to ramp up. Combine that with the significant holes on the blueline, and the brilliant defensive play of the Jackets, and this was the only logical outcome.
- Falon

I wish I had watched the TBL series last year. Some of the guys who should have been ok in a CBJ series weren’t really very good. Hyman just wasn’t that noticeable, Soup never got going and it took JT a while to get going. You can’t really put their play on the vaunted Torts system.

I wondered before games started how teams would respond to the weird start of this post season. It’s not an excuse because ever had the same issue but I would have liked to have seen JT play the whole series the way he did at the end.