its not a question of credibility for any of us... I think its quite possible there will be no NHL season after this playoff wraps up.

while they(the NHL) are managing so far to have a good tournament, a regular season likely can't be done that way... assuming the NHL shoots for a November start... can you see the stadiums being occupied by then? I can't. I can't see travel cross-border being seamless either.... so how would that possibly work.

no buts in seats, for many owners that real revenue that they need.

not trying to give the NHL advice, just wondering out loud.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I've been fooling around with the idea of an all-Canadian division.

Each division would only play within their division, right up to the playoff semi-finals.

North Division:
Toronto
Montreal
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver

East Division:
Boston
New York
LI
Philly
Carolina
NJ
Buffalo
Wash

Central Division:
Columbus
Detroit
Chicago
Pitts
Tampa
Florida
Nashville
St. Louis

West Division:
Colorado
Dallas
Minny
Vegas
Arizona
Anaheim
LA
SJ

No way in hell the border opens by December. No franking way in hell.

No. An a$$hole response from an a$$hole. Pretty straight forward.

You've only proven what everyone thinks about you and your smugness. No one can have a differing opinion than you without you being a d!ckhead about it.
- floater_willy

The rest of the thread is on you about that stupid analysis.

Don't throw out ridiculous stupid takes and not expect heat back.

I've been fooling around with the idea of an all-Canadian division.

Each division would only play within their division, right up to the playoff semi-finals.

North Division:
Toronto
Montreal
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver

East Division:
Boston
New York
LI
Philly
Carolina
NJ
Buffalo
Wash

Central Division:
Columbus
Detroit
Chicago
Pitts
Tampa
Florida
Nashville
St. Louis

West Division:
Colorado
Dallas
Minny
Vegas
Arizona
Anaheim
LA
SJ

No way in hell the border opens by December. No franking way in hell.
- Atomic Wedgie

I like it. Get it done bettman

What would make you think anyone would want Marner for that money and for that kind of heart? Hes got all world skill, but he has the drive an attitude of a prissy little ivy league kid.

Also it would be a shame for the NHL if the leafs or oilers get Laf. It would make the NHL look so bad. After all the hype and what was written about the leafs/oilers as the greatest teams of this generation, ignoring all the glaring issues that were apparent, this would just be so bad for the business.....
- munky123

900K next season? 7 million a year for the rest of his contract? In a middle of a pandemic? Yeah there are a lot of teams lining up for that.

CBJ being the 3rd lowest revenue team would be one of them.

The Nylander contract is moot to me. It was in the media throughout that entire fiasco that his camp and made it clear 8.5 was their hill to die on... Which was also coincidentally what Draisaitl signed for. He ended up signing at 6.9. I think that one speaks for itself.

The Tavares one has flaws to. Tavares was offered 13 million on a max deal elsewhere. He took less to play in Toronto. Don't see him being Matthews comparable due to time in league, open market, etc. Matthews took a million less than mcdavid and a few less years. That falls in line with your assessment.

Marner took advantage of his situation, and the team was faced with folding to it or allowing him to sit. I think the team decided allowing him to sit after the Nylander fiasco... And icing a team they thought was competitive without him... Would be unacceptable from the average fan to a shareholder and everyone in between. He had to be signed and Marner took it to the bank.

Just my take.
- joel878

ok, i can accept that.

That being said, Marner at least is overpaid and Snake isn't earning his money. Why not get rid of those two? redeploy that cap space on people who will be effective in the playoffs?

Foudi and Foligno outscored and performed both Marner and Snake. Those guys combined probably don't cost as much as just one of Marner or Snake.

its not a question of credibility for any of us... I think its quite possible there will be no NHL season after this playoff wraps up.

while they(the NHL) are managing so far to have a good tournament, a regular season likely can't be done that way... assuming the NHL shoots for a November start... can you see the stadiums being occupied by then? I can't. I can't see travel cross-border being seamless either.... so how would that possibly work.

no buts in seats, for many owners that real revenue that they need.

not trying to give the NHL advice, just wondering out loud.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I think when a major corporation is looking at an entire fiscal year of lost revenue... They figure it out.

The Cincinnati Reds just submitted a plan to have fans in the building by September. Lololol so that's where the world is at.

The NHL has done a commendable job to date, arguably better than any sport on earth. They have my respect in their ability to put a season together one way or another.

What would make you think anyone would want Marner for that money and for that kind of heart? Hes got all world skill, but he has the drive an attitude of a prissy little ivy league kid.

Also it would be a shame for the NHL if the leafs or oilers get Laf. It would make the NHL look so bad. After all the hype and what was written about the leafs/oilers as the greatest teams of this generation, ignoring all the glaring issues that were apparent, this would just be so bad for the business.....
- munky123

Yes, improving the Toronto Maple Leafs would be bad for business.

Fans of other teams are welcome here.

Fans of other teams who are just here to post stupid comments are not.

Signing JT was a mistake. Let's face it.
It costs us Kadri and our first round pick (13th pick) this year short of winning the lottery.
Yes, Kadri got suspended last 2 years but you can't blame him this year for losing.
JT hasn't been terrible but hasn't lived up to $11 million a year especially in the playoffs. The Leafs are not a well balanced team.
His money is needed to sign a top defenseman to play with Reilly.
Now, one of Nylander or Marner will have to go to get a top defender.
- floater_willy

I was gonna write about how I disagree with that but this says everything already-

Yes, I think so.
- spatso

foligno had 1 empty net goal lol
- senstroll

he had a goal and two assists... lol... but Snake couldn't even do that...

I think when a major corporation is looking at an entire fiscal year of lost revenue... They figure it out.

The Cincinnati Reds just submitted a plan to have fans in the building by September. Lololol so that's where the world is at.

The NHL has done a commendable job to date, arguably better than any sport on earth. They have my respect in their ability to put a season together one way or another.
- joel878

Like Brooks Brothers?

This is entirely 20/20 hindsight, but they should have played hardball with Marner like they did with Willy.

Set a ceiling of around $9M, and tell him if he doesn't show to camp, they would issue a press release indicating that they had given permission for his agent to contact other teams.

He would have caved.
- Atomic Wedgie

I totally agree with this. But I also think given what had gone on and where a lot of us felt the team was at at that point... In that moment I think a good chunk of us would have considered that unacceptable. Myself included more than likely.

I don't think it's to late to right that ship, he should be the first to go if a retool is on deck. From a contract and assets brought in perspective. You can flip this team on its head in one trade there...

he had a goal and two assists... lol... but Snake couldn't even do that...
- MisterBrown

huh? Tavares has 2 goals...in what world is 1 eng better?

The point would be Aroizona saving 3 million dollars....I think people don't quite understand the financial troubles teams like Arizona will have.

If they can save 3 million and take a goalie that is in the same breath as the one they are giving up it is a no brainer for them.
- Santo_44

Oh I get that. My point is they can do that without trading Keumper and without trading for Andersen.

He mostly looked like this whole playoff thing was (frank)ing with his call of duty ranking.
- joel878

Can't blame the man. New season just started in Warzone!

900K next season? 7 million a year for the rest of his contract? In a middle of a pandemic? Yeah there are a lot of teams lining up for that.

CBJ being the 3rd lowest revenue team would be one of them.
- Santo_44

Sure, his points are ok during the season, but when time gets tough, what does he offer? Id take heart over his skills on the team that hed likely go to. Teams wont build around him, and would he be as productive on western teams that are contending but are built around hard work and playing as a committee.

As someone posted today, CBJ had very few scoring chances.

He wasn't great and contributed to the series loss, as he has the last couple series. Time to move on from him.

cbj's goalies were miles better and it showed, so no he didn't have to win the series for them.
- Santo_44

The leafs forwards loss the series

Oh I get that. My point is they can do that without trading Keumper and without trading for Andersen.
- joel878

Sure but they'd have to make their team worse.

Not many teams right now can make a trade for a shakeup and take on 3 million in actual dollars.

This way they aren't getting worse and saving a lot of money. The only other option is subtracting players.

huh? Tavares has 2 goals...in what world is 1 eng better?
- senstroll

i thought he only had 1 point. my mistake. apologies for that error. when i looked the stats i didn't see his name before i saw foligno on nhl.com. i was looking to see who were the top point getters.

I've been fooling around with the idea of an all-Canadian division.

Each division would only play within their division, right up to the playoff semi-finals.

North Division:
Toronto
Montreal
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver

East Division:
Boston
New York
LI
Philly
Carolina
NJ
Buffalo
Wash

Central Division:
Columbus
Detroit
Chicago
Pitts
Tampa
Florida
Nashville
St. Louis

West Division:
Colorado
Dallas
Minny
Vegas
Arizona
Anaheim
LA
SJ

No way in hell the border opens by December. No franking way in hell.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wedgie for commissioner!

Sure, his points are ok during the season, but when time gets tough, what does he offer? Id take heart over his skills on the team that hed likely go to. Teams wont build around him, and would he be as productive on western teams that are contending but are built around hard work and playing as a committee.
- munky123

95 point player.

There aren't many wingers better than him so yeah he has a poop load of value.

ok, i can accept that.

That being said, Marner at least is overpaid and Snake isn't earning his money. Why not get rid of those two? redeploy that cap space on people who will be effective in the playoffs?

Foudi and Foligno outscored and performed both Marner and Snake. Those guys combined probably don't cost as much as just one of Marner or Snake.
- MisterBrown

I don't feel the need to even entertain getting rid of Tavares for two reasons.

#1. Having two monster centres has long been considered a path to success in this league. We have it already, may as well run with it.

#2. Tavares has a full no movement clause and buying him out would absolutely go down as probably the stupidest roster move in league history.

The leafs forwards loss the series
- Fakepartofme

They contributed, as did Andersen

anyways. lets see what happens in the lottery and over the fall break before next season.

if one of Snake/ Marner aren't gone, then don't expect different results.

Nylander/ Matthews/ Rielly should be seen as the core imo.

The leafs forwards loss the series
- Fakepartofme

counter point - the Jackets goalies won the series

I don't feel the need to even entertain getting rid of Tavares for two reasons.

#1. Having two monster centres has long been considered a path to success in this league. We have it already, may as well run with it.

#2. Tavares has a full no movement clause and buying him out would absolutely go down as probably the stupidest roster move in league history.
- joel878

i'm sure there are teams that will take Tavares in trade and he'd waive to go to. he has a NMC but it can be waived and many players have done so when they are told the team wants to move him out. doubtful he would stay on a team that wants to send him packing....