It's not over my head. It's over yours obviously. Nothing has been proven either way it's an opinion. The concept is difficult for an arrogant know it all to understand. I get it.

You really like to live up to your reputation as a d!ck
- floater_willy

A brainless opinion gets that type of response.

Just did there lottery simulator 10 times.

Edmonton-4
Pittsburgh-3
Minnesota-1
Florida-1
NY-1
- Santo_44

Pitt
EDM
NYR
Pitt
NYR
Nash
Nash
Pitt
Leafs
Wild

That's what I got in order.

I do have to admit, that's a pretty good zinger.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sorry. Just some friendly jabs between hockey fans. In all honesty i think your leafs have some elite talent destined for the hockey hall of fame. Starting with your zamboni driver!

everyone covering up for Dubas... why is he above criticism?

he didn't have to get rid of marleau with a 1st... he did it to sign Snake. Snake was the start of the downfall. they would have been fine with Marleau for the full length of his contract and could have drafted a decent D man with the 1st they gave up.

Shanagarbage deviated from the "rebuilding the right way" plan to get Snake. they wouldn't have f'd up their salary cap situation or had to overpay Willie (he's not overpaid now, but at the time he might have signed for less if not for the earlier overpayments), Matthews and Marner.

Burke was right that Matthews negotiation got screwed up cuz of Snake's contract & Nylander's and then the same with Marner. Both those guys, Matthews and Marner, were holding Toronto over a barrel cuz of the Snake payment and the Nylander overpayment. Nylander wouldn't have been able to force the leafs into this situation if they hadn't given Snake 11mill/annum.

Marner isn't worth the money, Nylander is but that's cuz he raised his game, Snake isn't worth the money, but Matthews is but could have been signed for less.

so you have two guys overpaid Snake and Marner.
- MisterBrown

iv read some bad analysis, but this one is near the top

Pitt
EDM
NYR
Pitt
NYR
Nash
Nash
Pitt
Leafs
Wild

That's what I got in order.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I got Leafs on the 11th try

I'll bite

Marner for Werenski and J. Anderson

Sign Lehner or trade Freddy for Keumper(ARZ saves 2.5 million next season)

Hyman-AM-Nylander
Micky-JT-Anderson
Robertson-Kerfoot-Kapanen
a combo of UFA signings and Spezza

Rielly-Werenski
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Dermott
Lehtonen

Kuemper
Campbell

Oh and if the Leafs get Laf tonight I am moving Marner out west to the best offer on a defensemen. I don't care if the Leafs lose the deal a bit.
- Santo_44

I am guessing Marner's stock went down some over the past 5 games. Not a playoff performer. Local kid screws Leafs Cap, forces greedy deal. should be the headline.

iv read some bad analysis, but this one is near the top
- senstroll

stop being a Richard !

you missed my point. maybe i didn't explain it well enough.

those other guys saw that the leafs backed up the truck for Snake. Matthews was already better than Snake or had shown he was going to be in a season if not already. No one in the league thinks Matthews is better than McD. So Matthews demanded more than Snake.

He also saw how the Leafs eventually did sign Nylander instead of holding out for their number, around 6 or 6.5 mill, which is what i believe Burke reckoned he should be getting.

Both those signings influenced Matthews on what he knew he'd be able to command. More than Snake, and he knew leafs would give in just as they paid between 500-900k more for Nylander.
- MisterBrown

You'd be a much more effective troll if:

a) you quit calling Tavares "Snake"
b) you hadn't signed up for Hockeybuzz today.

Just sayin'...

Go Islanders Go.

Thats what you said about the bubble.

Your credibility is at zero, quit trying to give NHL advice on this pandemic.
- Santo_44

they just started, playoffs still have to start. let's see if they finalize the playoffs.

you missed my point. maybe i didn't explain it well enough.

those other guys saw that the leafs backed up the truck for Snake. Matthews was already better than Snake or had shown he was going to be in a season if not already. No one in the league thinks Matthews is better than McD. So Matthews demanded more than Snake.

He also saw how the Leafs eventually did sign Nylander instead of holding out for their number, around 6 or 6.5 mill, which is what i believe Burke reckoned he should be getting.

Both those signings influenced Matthews on what he knew he'd be able to command. More than Snake, and he knew leafs would give in just as they paid between 500-900k more for Nylander.
- MisterBrown

The Nylander contract is moot to me. It was in the media throughout that entire fiasco that his camp and made it clear 8.5 was their hill to die on... Which was also coincidentally what Draisaitl signed for. He ended up signing at 6.9. I think that one speaks for itself.

The Tavares one has flaws to. Tavares was offered 13 million on a max deal elsewhere. He took less to play in Toronto. Don't see him being Matthews comparable due to time in league, open market, etc. Matthews took a million less than mcdavid and a few less years. That falls in line with your assessment.

Marner took advantage of his situation, and the team was faced with folding to it or allowing him to sit. I think the team decided allowing him to sit after the Nylander fiasco... And icing a team they thought was competitive without him... Would be unacceptable from the average fan to a shareholder and everyone in between. He had to be signed and Marner took it to the bank.

Just my take.

I am guessing Marner's stock went down some over the past 5 games. Not a playoff performer. Local kid screws Leafs Cap, forces greedy deal. should be the headline.
- bixll

5 games of a play in series doesn't lower or raise a players stock.

At least a player of Marner's caliber.

He was just off being tied for the team lead in goal scoring with Matthews and Nylander. 🤷‍♂️
- joel878

what i saw in the last two games was the diff with Werenski and without. look at the regular season. Werenski plays less minutes and scores more. Werenski outscores him by a lot at EV and PP. more shots, better sh%...

Sorry. Just some friendly jabs between hockey fans. In all honesty i think your leafs have some elite talent destined for the hockey hall of fame. Starting with your zamboni driver!
- Jp11

Yeah, you really should have dropped the mic and left.

This one is just sad.

So question I posted last week (from a suggestion my friend from the NHL made):

If you win the #1, do you try to trade it to Ottawa for their #3 and #5?

And do you think Ottawa would do it?
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't think Ottawa would do it.

Not sure how I'd roll if I had the pick. Probably make more sense for the Leafs to keep LEAFrenière, since they're a team pushing to compete.

Plus, he's gonna be stupid good.

I'll bite

Marner for Werenski and J. Anderson

Sign Lehner or trade Freddy for Keumper(ARZ saves 2.5 million next season)

Hyman-AM-Nylander
Micky-JT-Anderson
Robertson-Kerfoot-Kapanen
a combo of UFA signings and Spezza

Rielly-Werenski
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Dermott
Lehtonen

Kuemper
Campbell

Oh and if the Leafs get Laf tonight I am moving Marner out west to the best offer on a defensemen. I don't care if the Leafs lose the deal a bit.
- Santo_44

Don't think AZ trades their Vezina candidate for a year of Fred. I can see raanta being a realistic option though, just don't see coyotes wanting Andersen back. They've picked their guy.

A brainless opinion gets that type of response.
- Santo_44

No. An a$$hole response from an a$$hole. Pretty straight forward.

You've only proven what everyone thinks about you and your smugness. No one can have a differing opinion than you without you being a d!ckhead about it.

i think Werenski better than Jones now.

Anyone who didn't give the BJs a shot at the series win beforehand has no clue what's going on with other teams and is basically a homer.

Torts had this team playing the right way. This team had a list of underrated guys by Toronto fans. Dubois, Foudi, Jones, Foligno, Werenski, Wennberg, and Atkinson come to mind....

now do you believe the BJs had the depth and skill to win? Even big Mike admits the leafs are too one dimensional to win.

Foligno outscored Snake btw... where was Snake all series long?
- MisterBrown

foligno had 1 empty net goal lol

5 games of a play in series doesn't lower or raise a players stock.

At least a player of Marner's caliber.
- Santo_44

I think it did.

Thats what you said about the bubble.

Your credibility is at zero, quit trying to give NHL advice on this pandemic.
- Santo_44

its not a question of credibility for any of us... I think its quite possible there will be no NHL season after this playoff wraps up.

while they(the NHL) are managing so far to have a good tournament, a regular season likely can't be done that way... assuming the NHL shoots for a November start... can you see the stadiums being occupied by then? I can't. I can't see travel cross-border being seamless either.... so how would that possibly work.

no buts in seats, for many owners that real revenue that they need.

not trying to give the NHL advice, just wondering out loud.

The Nylander contract is moot to me. It was in the media throughout that entire fiasco that his camp and made it clear 8.5 was their hill to do on... Which was also coincidentally what Draisaitl signed for. He ended up signing at 6.9. I think that one speaks for itself.

The Tavares one has flaws to. Tavares was offered 13 million on a max deal elsewhere. He took less to play in Toronto. Don't see him being Matthews comparable due to time in league, open market, etc. Matthews took a million less than mcdavid and a few less years. That falls in line with your assessment.

Marner took advantage of his situation, and the team was faced with folding to it or allowing him to sit. I think the team decided allowing him to sit after the Nylander fiasco... And icing a team they thought was competitive without him... Would be unacceptable from the average fan to a shareholder and everyone in between. He had to be signed and Marner took it to the bank.

Just my take.
- joel878

This is entirely 20/20 hindsight, but they should have played hardball with Marner like they did with Willy.

Set a ceiling of around $9M, and tell him if he doesn't show to camp, they would issue a press release indicating that they had given permission for his agent to contact other teams.

He would have caved.

stop being a Richard !
- Santo_44

sorry im trying to delete it

I'll bite

Marner for Werenski and J. Anderson

Sign Lehner or trade Freddy for Keumper(ARZ saves 2.5 million next season)

Hyman-AM-Nylander
Micky-JT-Anderson
Robertson-Kerfoot-Kapanen
a combo of UFA signings and Spezza

Rielly-Werenski
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Dermott
Lehtonen

Kuemper
Campbell

Oh and if the Leafs get Laf tonight I am moving Marner out west to the best offer on a defensemen. I don't care if the Leafs lose the deal a bit.
- Santo_44

What would make you think anyone would want Marner for that money and for that kind of heart? Hes got all world skill, but he has the drive an attitude of a prissy little ivy league kid.

Also it would be a shame for the NHL if the leafs or oilers get Laf. It would make the NHL look so bad. After all the hype and what was written about the leafs/oilers as the greatest teams of this generation, ignoring all the glaring issues that were apparent, this would just be so bad for the business.....

I don't think Ottawa would do it.

Not sure how I'd roll if I had the pick. Probably make more sense for the Leafs to keep LEAFrenière, since they're a team pushing to compete.

Plus, he's gonna be stupid good.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Keep him, play him for 3 years on his ELC.

Trade Marner the day after they pay him his signing bonus.

Don't think AZ trades their Vezina candidate for a year of Fred. I can see raanta being a realistic option though, just don't see coyotes wanting Andersen back. They've picked their guy.
- joel878

The point would be Aroizona saving 3 million dollars....I think people don't quite understand the financial troubles teams like Arizona will have.

If they can save 3 million and take a goalie that is in the same breath as the one they are giving up it is a no brainer for them.

You'd be a much more effective troll if:

a) you quit calling Tavares "Snake"
b) you hadn't signed up for Hockeybuzz today.

Just sayin'...

Go Islanders Go.
- Atomic Wedgie

A) ummmm everyone calls him Snake... its a pejorative that's been taken on to troll the Isles. so its not even a pejorative now, but an endearing term for Snake.

B) Also, i've been lurking on the boards and felt compelled to respond today based on the comments i was seeing.

C) i was NOT cheering for the Isles. I actually believe Leafs would win this series, but that the BJs would be a tough out. I just didn't count on only Willie and Matthews having any effectiveness of the Leaf big 4. Rielly did well imo even though he had a gaffe here and there. He was still dangerous. unlike that water bug Marner who just danced around not accomplishing much of anything. F get rid of that stupid mole already or whatever he has on his chin.

D) anything i said has been validated by big Mike, who maybe you are calling a troll for saying the leafs are one dimensional

E) one thing that i don't understand is why people like you just call everyone a troll if they try point out how the team could be better (get rid of Marner and Snake and get better D and some players who play heavy)