From an organizational standpoint, what trade are you going to make that will have a similar impact, and land a player who can be the face of your franchise after Crosby/Malkin are gone and sell Jerseys for the next 15+ years?
- abasin

I'm just saying it should be explored. What if you can get a younger RFA dman? That would allow you to make other moves to fix other parts of the team.

From an organizational standpoint, what trade are you going to make that will have a similar impact, and land a player who can be the face of your franchise after Crosby/Malkin are gone and sell Jerseys for the next 15+ years?
- abasin

If we got Lafrennier (SP?) I would probably try Jake at 3C just to see what happens

Zucker Sid ???
Lafrennier Malkin Rust
Simon Jake Horn
Tanev Blueger ZAR

Maybe try Simon or Horn up with Sid and put Bjud with Jake at 3C if he's still around

McCann still a wildcard in this situation assuming he comes back cheap

I really want to surround Malkin with the best "Scorers" (he always seems to excel when he gets them when Crosby's out) and have Sid be the head of an awesome 2-way line that goes against the other teams #1 line

I'm just saying it should be explored. What if you can get a younger RFA dman? That would allow you to make other moves to fix other parts of the team.
- Rinosaur

A young RFA D-man thats good enough to warrant the #1 overall pick is going to be about to be paid, and we don't have the $$

We got Letang/Dumo and Marino. That's a decent enough top 3. If anything, Letang would be the guy I'd look to move. I still don't see exactly what he's supposed to be #1 D-man level good at

The one who really has to go is JR.
Outside of Marino, he can't make trades anymore.
Nothing more evident then at the trade deadline when he combined two different trades giving up Kahun and a 3rd round pick and got Marleua, Sheary and Rodriguez in return.
- stevens87

Kahun was nothing special and you have to remember it looked like they were going into the playoffs down Jake Guentzel. That's why you pick up a guy like Marleau and a plug and play piece like Sheary

He got rid of Guddy with no retention, Although Pearson looks to have turned things around in Vancouver, he had a look/see here and I'd rather not have that 3.75 Million wing on the books regardless

He got the guy he wanted (Zucker) when Kessel cockblocked the most direct trade route and we still have POJ as part of it all who was a 1st round pick Dman

Even dumping Maatta and getting Kahun in the first place was a coup without retaining salary

JR can still make trades, we just seem to lack those league minimum vets who can produce (ACTUAL POINTS) to play in our bottom 6 that other teams seem to find

Kahun was nothing special and you have to remember it looked like they were going into the playoffs down Jake Guentzel. That's why you pick up a guy like Marleau and a plug and play piece like Sheary

He got rid of Guddy with no retention, Although Pearson looks to have turned things around in Vancouver, he had a look/see here and I'd rather not have that 3.75 Million wing on the books regardless

He got the guy he wanted (Zucker) when Kessel cockblocked the most direct trade route and we still have POJ as part of it all who was a 1st round pick Dman

Even dumping Maatta and getting Kahun in the first place was a coup without retaining salary

JR can still make trades, we just seem to lack those league minimum vets who can produce (ACTUAL POINTS) to play in our bottom 6 that other teams seem to find
- TheGame316

I’m somewhat inclined to agree there, largely top to bottom. That being said, if he does not view JJ as the problem, remains loyal to Sullivan, and still has the itch to give murray a 5 year deal for six mil per, he needs to go as well. I don’t trust him to avoid those three pitfalls.

If we got Lafrennier (SP?) I would probably try Jake at 3C just to see what happens

Zucker Sid ???
Lafrennier Malkin Rust
Simon Jake Horn
Tanev Blueger ZAR

Maybe try Simon or Horn up with Sid and put Bjud with Jake at 3C if he's still around

McCann still a wildcard in this situation assuming he comes back cheap

I really want to surround Malkin with the best "Scorers" (he always seems to excel when he gets them when Crosby's out) and have Sid be the head of an awesome 2-way line that goes against the other teams #1 line
- TheGame316

I like this, but honestly the chance of Lafreniere is small, and even more difficult with Edmonton in there haha.

(frank) sully. He’s dead to me.

Need some right wings to balance the ice.

But nothing matters if we still have JJ next year.

In all seriousness, even if you trade Malkin, I don’t think the “haul” is going to be something so large or impactful that it helps making a cup more likely in crosbys last years. I’m genuinely curious what kind of haul people still think he would fetch. He’s 34. He was garbage this series, but from a practical standpoint I think you’re better off keeping him. And as a fan, with the window more likely closed than not anyway, I’d rather just enjoy him and Crosby for the last few years anyway.

The biggest problem in this series IMO was the difference makers didn't make a difference. Sid, Geno, Jake and Letang needed to step up and they looked ordinary with ordinary effort. Sid at least had a few moments where he woke up, but was still largely ordinary.

In all seriousness, even if you trade Malkin, I don’t think the “haul” is going to be something so large or impactful that it helps making a cup more likely in crosbys last years. I’m genuinely curious what kind of haul people still think he would fetch. He’s 34. He was garbage this series, but from a practical standpoint I think you’re better off keeping him. And as a fan, with the window more likely closed than not anyway, I’d rather just enjoy him and Crosby for the last few years anyway.
- stayinthefnnet

Malkin is still one the best in the world when he's on the top of his game, but he's 34 years old making $9.5M for two more years. If he would become available there would be no shortage of suitors, but you're not going to get a huge haul at all. Taking on that salary is not easy for any team. I just don't know what people think they're going to get.

Moving him now creates a void at 2C. Do people think you'll get a 2C in return? Maybe a 2C and a 2nd line RW? Maybe combined with a 1st and top prospect, but how good is that 2C going to be? I can tell you right now that he won't be anywhere near the ability of Malkin and if he is, that team has no reason to get Malkin.

There's just no way moving Malkin helps this team in any way. It only weakens them.

I'm just saying it should be explored. What if you can get a younger RFA dman? That would allow you to make other moves to fix other parts of the team.
- Rinosaur

I think I'd want something more. If a team is willing to pay something crazy for Lafreniere then I'd listen just because of the age of our stars. But it's hard to come up with something worth that. That would have to be a pretty exceptional young defenseman to do a 1 for 1.

I think I'd want something more. If a team is willing to pay something crazy for Lafreniere then I'd listen just because of the age of our stars. But it's hard to come up with something worth that. That would have to be a pretty exceptional young defenseman to do a 1 for 1.
- Tojo.

I previously, either in this thread or the last suggested said team would need to take JJ back and I'm not suggesting 1-1. I'm simply pointing out the crown pieces of the deal.

I previously, either in this thread or the last suggested said team would need to take JJ back and I'm not suggesting 1-1. I'm simply pointing out the crown pieces of the deal.
- Rinosaur

What young defensemen would you be thinking of? Also using the 1st overall pick as a package to get rid of JJ is a terrible idea. That's like when Ottawa wanted to use Karlsson to dump Bobby Ryan's contract...

Why not?
- Rinosaur

We should have traded Crosby for a stud RFA damn since we had Geno already.

The biggest problem in this series IMO was the difference makers didn't make a difference. Sid, Geno, Jake and Letang needed to step up and they looked ordinary with ordinary effort. Sid at least had a few moments where he woke up, but was still largely ordinary.
- Rinosaur

So we would need that 1st overall then

I'm just saying it should be explored. What if you can get a younger RFA dman? That would allow you to make other moves to fix other parts of the team.
- Rinosaur

No

I previously, either in this thread or the last suggested said team would need to take JJ back and I'm not suggesting 1-1. I'm simply pointing out the crown pieces of the deal.
- Rinosaur

IF we even happen to get lucky enough to land that 1st overall, you keep it. That's who you want playing with Sid. That be like trading Hall for Larsson. I know, I know other pieces blah blah blah. That would be like winning the Powerball and trading the ticket for a new car and house.

Gallant wasn’t a giant wussy when he played so I’m going with him👍 It’s ok to go find young guys that can play and aren’t totally useless in a bar fight.

So we would need that 1st overall then
- 668710

Yeah, you don't get it.

IF we even happen to get lucky enough to land that 1st overall, you keep it. That's who you want playing with Sid. That be like trading Hall for Larsson. I know, I know other pieces blah blah blah. That would be like winning the Powerball and trading the ticket for a new car and house.
- 668710

I think you fail to see the real issues with this team.

What young defensemen would you be thinking of? Also using the 1st overall pick as a package to get rid of JJ is a terrible idea. That's like when Ottawa wanted to use Karlsson to dump Bobby Ryan's contract...
- abasin

I honestly don't know. All I'm suggesting is to explore if the options are there and people flip the (frank) out. JJ wouldn't be the prime reason for doing this. It would just be an added bonus.

I mentioned this earlier, but if there were any possibility the Rangers and Pens would deal, which is nearly 100% unlikely in this case, I'd have a deal structured around the 1st, JJ and Deangelo (there would be other parts to this deal). THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

You then turn around and move Letang for other pieces.

Quite possibly the dumbest article I've ever read.

I think you fail to see the real issues with this team.
- Rinosaur

You don't trade that pick away, fix it another way. We have a solid top 3 with dmen(maybe we need a second pair guy with Marino, but you don't address that with the first overall pick) a good goalie in Jarry, and a real solid group of forwards. I just don't see using the first overall pick to fix any of the issues. If we needed a true number 1 dman, then maybe I'd explore it. But if you get that pick you draft that kid and keep him. He's good to build around/will help the end of the Sid Geno era. What we really need is a coaching change.

Saros is average at best.
- Rinosaur

So is Murray. I think Saros is better.

https://twitter.com/domlu.../1292120961932820484?s=21

Doms Game Scores from The series.

I'm just saying it should be explored. What if you can get a younger RFA dman? That would allow you to make other moves to fix other parts of the team.
- Rinosaur

No. You don’t even explore it. It’s a terrible idea. If you get the first overall you draft Lafrieniere. There is no thinking about it.