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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 1:03 PM ET
My responses have nothing to do with SSB or his question. My responses are about someone proposing to intentionally hijack future blogs with unrelated content.
- The_Journeyman


Oh it might be this one, not future. And when I return, I am certain I will see so many posts from you regarding hockey.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 4 @ 1:13 PM ET
Regarding JVR- I have been critical of him due to his contract (not his fault). I have felt that he NEEDS to play with line mates that will let him play to his strengths. I thought moving him to 2nd line with TK and Hayes would help him but Laughton has closed the door on that. Do we bump NAk down to 4th line in Raffl's place and insert Farabee on 3rd line. Does that help JVR?

Thoughts?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 4 @ 1:18 PM ET
I wonder if the refs saw that. Yea, it wasn't egregious and it was just held there but what if a player suddenly turns? Could easily get under a visor and do some damage. Regardless of force, any intentional raising of the stick towards a players head should be penalized.
- MJL



I have to hope the refs didn’t see it. That Richard Marchand did it on purpose and should have been penalized.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 4 @ 1:25 PM ET
I never saw it as disrespectful,personally. The idea (as I understand it) is that you are supposed to stand (even in grade school) as a sign of respect for the flag/country. So deliberately NOT standing is seen by some as disrespectful. I don't necessarily agree, but that's the rationale I believe is the issue.

As for the people who say it's disrespectful to the troops, I've asked 2 former Marines their views on it. They said that, while they don't necessarily agree with it (this was when Kaepernick first did it), they support their right to do it, which is part of why they fought for this country.

I really liked what Reaves said, that it wasn't about politics, it was about basic human rights. I think that putting it in those terms drives the point home much better than anyone who is doing things to make a political statement.

- jmatchett383

This was actually beautifully said
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 4 @ 1:27 PM ET
Very well stated. As a whole, we need to return to the civility of "I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend your right to express it". I am ex-Soviet, I had an amazing sense of freedom when I had arrived. I would urge everyone not to take it for granted.
- missingmike

I wish more military, army, Soviet’s would speak out in the defense Americans’ right to choose.

Kinda hard to take the argument serious of it being disrespectful to the military, when some of these guys go out and fight for their country and come home to nothing.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 4 @ 1:52 PM ET
... it's a little silly to not even be able to confirm that the player was injured and give an estimate for how long he will be out.


And here we thought it couldn't get any more vague than upper/lower body lol. You gotta hand it to the NHL.

And it's a testament to this team's depth that a regular goes down and you can plug a Farabee right in.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 4 @ 1:53 PM ET
Absolutely amazing Corsi differences between the Coots line and the Bergeron line. If that doesn't tell you who deserves the Selke, I don't know what will.
- Letterkenney


For sure, Bergeron's line doesn't get caved in very often.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 1:54 PM ET
Just a word to the wise.

There is nothing - in the history of our flag, in our anthem, in our constitution, or in our traditions, that equates the flag exclusively with the armed forces.

Lets say someone wants to believe the flag is about American country music. Lets say someone wants to believe its about the First Amendment. Lets say someone wants to believe its about diversity, as manifested in the motto e pluribus unum. Lets say someone wants to believe its about Elvis Presley or anything that is uniquely American.

There is absolutely nothing that is in any of our conventions or traditions that would make them wrong. It represents Labor Day and MLK day and Memorial Day and July 4th and it is flown at half mast when an important person dies even if that person has nothing to do with the Armed Forces.

The kneeling before the flag was never intended to have anything to do with the military or Law and Order. It represented a protest against a symbol of America and by implication, some of it's laws and traditions. There is nothing unpatriotic against it. There is no disrespect of the armed forces implied at all.

The equation: kneeling = disrespecting soldiers was started by the right wing blabbermouths, and intended for the audience of the weak-minded.

You are free to claim membership in the last, but cut the crap about flag and armed forces, please.

- PT21



The levels of ignorance in this post is mind boggling. You say it can represent this, or represent that. For many it represents the freedoms and rights that we as Americans have and how many in the military have died for so we can have and live under those freedoms. Therefore it does connect with the military and those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms. That's how many see it whether you agree with it or not. To suggest that is something starting by right wing blabber mouths is not only offensive but just plain stupid. In my opinion it is extremely unpatriotic and disrespectful. Not to mention just plain ineffective.

Keep the politics off of Bill's thread like he has asked. Have some respect.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 4 @ 1:56 PM ET
Keep the politics off of Bill's thread like he has asked. Have some respect.
- MJL


You keep telling him to stop, but then you keep feeding the troll.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 4 @ 1:57 PM ET
For sure, Bergeron's line doesn't get caved in very often.
- Tomahawk


No they don't. They're too good to let that happen too much. But you gotta hand it to the Coots line when they deserve it, and that performance was nothing short of outstanding. It was a fun game to watch. My wife heard me cheering when the Flyers scored. I could hear her from upstairs saying "I guess the Flyers are playing again."
Stanley Cup
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Milk carton since '76
Joined: 03.06.2020

Aug 4 @ 2:06 PM ET
I'm hoping someone can answer this, so my lazy bottom does not have to look it up.
The Flyers have a regulation win and Tampa has a shootout win. They each have two points, but last night NBCSN had TB ahead of the Flyers in the Round Robin standings. Is this because the only points tie-breaker is the March 13th standings? If not, the Flyers should have the edge on TB by virtue of more R/OT wins.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 4 @ 2:07 PM ET
For sure, Bergeron's line doesn't get caved in very often.
- Tomahawk



True. They seemed out of sync all game. Even when they were out there in a favorable matchup against the Thompson line they weren't able to generate much. Our 4th held their own. It was great to watch.

It was also fun watching "the best line in hockey", with "the top face off guy" get schooled by the actual top face off guy over and over again.
Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Aug 4 @ 2:08 PM ET
Obviously you didn’t serve in the military. It is there right to do so but I consider it ignorant to all who sacrificed.
- Peter Richards

No it’s not. I know vets that would kneel. It’s about turning people who kneel especially blacks into the enemy who hates the country. Yep look at those overpaid black $asterds kneeling. That’s what the president wants us to see. That is beyond ignorance.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Aug 4 @ 2:15 PM ET
1. I wont kneel for anybody
2. I choose to stand for the simple fact that we have the right to choose but I dont begrudge anybody for how they choose to conduct themselves
3. I defend anybody's right to say what they want regardless of content
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 2:15 PM ET
You keep telling him to stop, but then you keep feeding the troll.
- Tomahawk



Noted and correct but sometimes I can't help myself.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 4 @ 2:17 PM ET
Kent Manderville was a terrific penalty-killing fourth line center for the short while he was in Philadelphia.
- countreeman28


Was surprised to see him score the Flyers 2nd goal in the game against Boston the other day.
Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Aug 4 @ 2:19 PM ET
The levels of ignorance in this post is mind boggling. You say it can represent this, or represent that. For many it represents the freedoms and rights that we as Americans have and how many in the military have died for so we can have and live under those freedoms. Therefore it does connect with the military and those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms. That's how many see it whether you agree with it or not. To suggest that is something starting by right wing blabber mouths is not only offensive but just plain stupid. In my opinion it is extremely unpatriotic and disrespectful. Not to mention just plain ineffective.

Keep the politics off of Bill's thread like he has asked. Have some respect.

- MJL

I agree with kneeling. Don’t call me unpatriotic. I’ve been a DoD civilian supporting the troops for decades including in theatre. Non of my retired military friends would call me unpatriotic. We may differ but we love our country. I’m happy to keep politics off the board so long as the cheap shots are also off.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 4 @ 2:31 PM ET
hh
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 4 @ 2:36 PM ET
Hockey is back. Let's not talk about anything political.
- MJL





2nd this...
monty burns
Location: wake forest, NC
Joined: 10.18.2005

Aug 4 @ 2:39 PM ET
I'm hoping someone can answer this, so my lazy bottom does not have to look it up.
The Flyers have a regulation win and Tampa has a shootout win. They each have two points, but last night NBCSN had TB ahead of the Flyers in the Round Robin standings. Is this because the only points tie-breaker is the March 13th standings? If not, the Flyers should have the edge on TB by virtue of more R/OT wins.

- Stanley Cup


i believe the only tie breaker for the round robin is the regular season standings since those 65+ games need to count for something
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 4 @ 2:42 PM ET
i believe the only tie breaker for the round robin is the regular season standings since those 65+ games need to count for something
- monty burns


correct. regular season points is the tie breaker.
Stanley Cup
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Milk carton since '76
Joined: 03.06.2020

Aug 4 @ 2:50 PM ET
correct. regular season points is the tie breaker.
- Ftown19125

Thank you (and Mr. Burns). I thought the usual tie-breakers would be in place, and if still tied the standings in March would then break any ties in points.
Let's Go Flyers!!
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 4 @ 2:56 PM ET
Thank you (and Mr. Burns). I thought the usual tie-breakers would be in place, and if still tied the standings in March would then break any ties in points.
Let's Go Flyers!!

- Stanley Cup


points percentage, actually. I completely forgot teams didn't play the same amount of games haha.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 3:06 PM ET
You keep telling him to stop, but then you keep feeding the troll.
- Tomahawk


This is something I would like to address, and its been a long time coming.

By and large, I have nothing against you. I have learned from your posts about Hockey. You are just some dude who I share occasional time with on the Interwebs. I wish you well.

You do have a habit however of snarking behind my back about my non Hockey posts. And I would like to address that.

First, I am not a troll.
1. I post far more about Hockey than you do nowadays.

2. My posts are carefully composed. They are long, but rarely have grammatical/spelling errors. Trolls do not expend such effort for the sake of linguistic clarity and aesthetics. Its not a characteristic.

3. Trolls are people who post nonsense to elicit a reaction. I post what I do not at all for the sake of drawing a reaction. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Out of a sense of obligation, I often respond to those who respond. Should there be no response, the communication will stop. Usually, I say what I say in the very first post.

Throughout my mostly passive presence at HB, there have been zillions of diversions. People have talked incessantly about attractive women (with pictures), about alcohol, and many other things. Its not necessarily an ideal situation, but I am hardly a trailblazer in this regard.

Your distaste for hockey diversions has been respectfully noted. I appreciate your concern. At the same time, the reason if I should persist, I do so to troll will demonstrate nothing more than your lack of ability to parse situations.

And if you ask why I bother, let me respectfully inform you that is none of your business. Should you feel threatened, you are free to complain to the mods.

I trust I make myself clear.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 3:06 PM ET
The levels of ignorance in this post is mind boggling. You say it can represent this, or represent that. For many it represents the freedoms and rights that we as Americans have and how many in the military have died for so we can have and live under those freedoms. Therefore it does connect with the military and those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms.

Keep the politics off of Bill's thread like he has asked. Have some respect.

- MJL


For many it represents one thing (say military), and for many another (say civil right legislation). So, the issue is, if someone takes offense at a particular action, they need to understand that while the source of their anger maybe because they feel 'the military' is being impugned, it could actually be something else is being targeted.

It's like this, if a black man breaks into my house and I call the cops, it is because of the status of the intruder, not because of the color of the man's skin. If the black man feels my protest at his presence is a racist act, he is logically wrong.

I know this point of logic will escape you, as all points of logic do, but I suffer from the usual misguided high-mindedness of many who have strong ties with academia and teaching. Surely if I explain one more time he will get it, empirical evidence and past exasperation notwithstanding.

As for the last point, as someone pointed out, this is not about politics, and nor will be my future Covid update.

Its hardly my problem that with your usual insecurity you conflate the two, post about BLM incessantly on another thread and then have the complete lack of self-awareness to protest not talking hockey on Hockeybuzz within minutes of each other.
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