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rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
As a Canadian, I do agree with you. Dumba should also have kneeled for the Canadian anthem. The history of racism in this country is just as grotesque as that of the USA. Again these stats are not well kept in Canada, proportionally speaking many black, people of colour and indigenous people are killed by Canadian Police yearly.
- TheUltimateJet


This is false! If you actually look at the stats and reports, a miniscule % of blacks are killed on a yearly basis by police. In a country of 100s of millions of people, it does happen, but this mantra of systemic racism against blacks by police is utterly false. How bout the 1000s of black on black, black on white crimes?

I know, I know, we can't talk about that. Shhhhh
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:36 AM ET
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/30/facebook-posts/black-lives-matter-not-terrorist-organization/

Not according to every definition of the term "domestic terrorist group"

- Pavfan13


Listen to the comments of their leaders and look at the actions they've taken during "peaceful protests". That they haven't been officially designated a domestic terrorist group is purely due to politics. They clearly are.
Pavfan13
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 07.01.2016

Aug 4 @ 11:37 AM ET
Listen to the comments of their leaders and look at the actions they've taken during "peaceful protests". That they haven't been officially designated a domestic terrorist group is purely due to politics. They clearly are.
- MJL


Can you give me any reliable sources to demonstrate this claim?
Therat36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 02.27.2006

Aug 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
So when NBA stars called out China and their censorship of Americans, and they were told to "shut up and dribble" did you care then?
- Pavfan13

No NBA stars called out China Daryl Morey called out China over the oppression of hongKong and The NBA and players such as lebron james Silenced him.. https://www.washingtonpos...oversial-hong-kong-tweet/ all about the $$$$
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
Can you give me any reliable sources to demonstrate this claim?
- Pavfan13


Either you're uninformed or being disingenuous.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 4 @ 11:40 AM ET
This is a ridiculous comment. National anthems have been played for decades with no issue.
- MJL


They suck.

There's nothing patriotic about a pro sporting event and playing them is an absurdity at best.

At this point they're just doing it because it's what they've always done.

Get rid of that poop.
Pavfan13
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 07.01.2016

Aug 4 @ 11:40 AM ET
Either you're uninformed or being disingenuous.
- MJL


I am being very genuine. If you have information to prove this, I would love to read it. Thus far, you've supplied only opinion.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Aug 4 @ 11:41 AM ET
Either you're uninformed or being disingenuous.
- MJL


Right .. the leaders are constantly on TV saying exactly that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:41 AM ET
They suck.

There's nothing patriotic about a pro sporting event and playing them is an absurdity at best.

At this point they're just doing it because it's what they've always done.

Get rid of that poop.

- BINGO!


Completely disagree. The sporting event is not what is patriotic. The playing and standing for the anthem is what is patriotic.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:43 AM ET
I am being very genuine. If you have information to prove this, I would love to read it. Thus far, you've supplied only opinion.
- Pavfan13


Nah, your not. All the information is out there. The founders describe themselves as Marxists. They've been destroying property, attacking those who disagree with them. Attacking police. All well documented. If you're not aware of this, you're either purposely avoiding the truth or living under a rock.
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Sabres VERY Much in Hellebuyck Hearing they are the closest treat to getting a deal…bu a mile., CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:44 AM ET
No tebow never did knee during the National anthem, but he did pray after he scored and before he ran on the field.
- Therat36


Oh?

The joke here is that people are flipping out over these players taking a knee during the anthem. Any slob who does nothing for this country aside living off the fat of the land can stand for the anthem, remove his cap, and he gets a free pass as a "true American". However, if you are military, charitable, a patriot, or anything else that improves and contributes to the country and you don't stand for the anthem, you are vilified by some. You don't agree with the message of these players? Fine. But don't pretend that standing for the anthem has any collective meaning whatsoever. It is treated in some circles as a compulsory act at some public events like hockey games. For certain individuals? Yeah, it might have deep meaning. Go ahead and stand, and sing it. That's your choice. But I don't have to do it and no matter how red in the face you get, I'm not going to do it if I don't want to do it.

GDP sunk, quarter-over-quarter, at an alarming rate. Unemployment rates are frightening. The government can't agree to extend benefits for a bunch of folks who aren't working. The health care system has been exposed for what it is. All this stuff and more, yet y'all are getting huffy about a 4th liner kneeling during the anthem in a stadium of empty seats.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:44 AM ET
Completely disagree. The sporting event is not what is patriotic. The playing and standing for the anthem is what is patriotic.
- MJL



Completely disagree with your face.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:45 AM ET
Final score is

Pavfan13 3
MJLrrentz 0
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 4 @ 11:46 AM ET
Completely disagree. The sporting event is not what is patriotic. The playing and standing for the anthem is what is patriotic.
- MJL


It has no place at a sporting event. This is a private enterprise. it's show business.

Might as well say a prayer before a movie. Makes just as much sense.
Pavfan13
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 07.01.2016

Aug 4 @ 11:46 AM ET
Nah, your not. All the information is out there. The founders describe themselves as Marxists. They've been destroying property, attacking those who disagree with them. Attacking police. All well documented. If you're not aware of this, you're either purposely avoiding the truth or living under a rock.
- MJL


Again, you cannot provide data or sources to prove any of what you are saying. I work in medical/scientific research. If you cannot back up your claims, that's all they are, claims. I read a lot of different sources, I watch a lot of different interviews. I try to make sure I have an open mind and take new information into consideration. That's how validated positions are formed.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:47 AM ET
This is false! If you actually look at the stats and reports, a miniscule % of blacks are killed on a yearly basis by police. In a country of 100s of millions of people, it does happen, but this mantra of systemic racism against blacks by police is utterly false. How bout the 1000s of black on black, black on white crimes?

I know, I know, we can't talk about that. Shhhhh

- rrentz

Which part is false?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 4 @ 11:47 AM ET
Until they start mentioning China and its human right violations. I can’t take this seriously. If I want to see kneeling or fist pumping, I can watch over 100 cable channels showing this daily. I want to watch a game, not political statements. And that is exactly what it is.
- sharp619

what about the 14 to 18 million modern slaves in India?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:48 AM ET
It has no place at a sporting event. This is a private enterprise. it's show business.

Might as well say a prayer before a movie. Makes just as much sense.

- BINGO!


Disagree.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 4 @ 11:48 AM ET
This is false! If you actually look at the stats and reports, a miniscule % of blacks are killed on a yearly basis by police. In a country of 100s of millions of people, it does happen, but this mantra of systemic racism against blacks by police is utterly false. How bout the 1000s of black on black, black on white crimes?

I know, I know, we can't talk about that. Shhhhh

- rrentz

more white people are killed by cops then black people each year


also the number of black on black murder is something you would expect in the stone age, not 2020
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:49 AM ET
Nah, your not. All the information is out there. The founders describe themselves as Marxists. They've been destroying property, attacking those who disagree with them. Attacking police. All well documented. If you're not aware of this, you're either purposely avoiding the truth or living under a rock.
- MJL

Hopefully you have been saying the same thing about the KKK. It's the domestic terrorist group that has committed the most amount of terrorist actions on USA soil for the past 300 years and for some reason they never make the domestic terrorist list.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:51 AM ET
Again, you cannot provide data or sources to prove any of what you are saying. I work in medical/scientific research. If you cannot back up your claims, that's all they are, claims. I read a lot of different sources, I watch a lot of different interviews. I try to make sure I have an open mind and take new information into consideration. That's how validated positions are formed.
- Pavfan13


You're confused. There is a difference between cannot provide and just not felt it is needed. Like I said, if you had an open mind, you'd educate yourself on this. You'd seek and find the readily available information that is out there on this group. They are not peaceful, they are marxist.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 4 @ 11:51 AM ET
Oh?

The joke here is that people are flipping out over these players taking a knee during the anthem

- Only_A_Ladd

the nhl shoved black lives matter down our throat in the pre games


it was their showcase


black lives matter is founded by american terrorist group, antifa
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Sabres VERY Much in Hellebuyck Hearing they are the closest treat to getting a deal…bu a mile., CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Aug 4 @ 11:52 AM ET
Nah, your not. All the information is out there. The founders describe themselves as Marxists. They've been destroying property, attacking those who disagree with them. Attacking police. All well documented. If you're not aware of this, you're either purposely avoiding the truth or living under a rock.
- MJL


A Marxist analysis does not necessarily equate to a communist solution to a perceived problem. Looking at who has control of capital to determine how to leverage a position is an entirely pragmatic way of looking at a set of circumstances. Advocating for forced detention of those with capital and other communist policies? That's a different story. But since we've lost the middle in this country, I have not doubt those solutions might be on the table, as well as other more rash solutions from the right. Be sure to get yours as it continues to fall apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA

BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 4 @ 11:52 AM ET
the nhl shoved black lives matter down our throat in the pre games


it was their showcase


black lives matter is founded by american terrorist group, antifa

- homiedclown

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 11:53 AM ET
more white people are killed by cops then black people each year


also the number of black on black murder is something you would expect in the stone age, not 2020

- homiedclown


Your first statement in terms of raw numbers is true but when you look at it from a context of percentage of population, it is disproportional. The question then becomes why that is.
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