Just one example.

https://papost.org/2020/0...ng-process-data-accuracy/
- MJL

That sort of bureaucratic clarification happens all the time. For example, employment and growth figures are frequently revised by the BLS after original issuance. There are no evil intentions at heart.

You have no doubt noticed that the deaths you mention in your post are 200, which is a spectacularly insignificant % for the purposes of our discussion.

Cheers.

Every player including Kap has said from the start it’s about human rights and not the flag/disrespecting troops. Only dumb*ss politicians and media people make it about something else to discredit it in the first place

Every player including Kap has said from the start it’s about human rights and not the flag/disrespecting troops. Only dumb*ss politicians and media people make it about something else to discredit it in the first place
- King Hen-rik Roll’d

They can organize a protest another way if they want. Disrespecting the anthem and flag will get attention, but it will also upset people to the point of despising their cause.

OK, Boomer
- Only_A_Ladd

And there's the name calling. What a surprise.

They can organize a protest another way if they want. Disrespecting the anthem and flag will get attention, but it will also upset people to the point of despising their cause.
- just69sayin

Why?

Isn't that what the flag should stand for? Aren't those the rights soldiers die to protect?

It's not about the soldiers, it's about the war. In this case, the war is on inequality.

In other words, you can't begin to contemplate what he said.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Pathetic. Anyone who throws their service into an argument like this is subject to derision (and probably never served). Why? If you serve, you don't cheapen that sacrifice in an argument over hockey players kneeling in an empty arena during the national anthem.

Why?

Isn't that what the flag should stand for? Aren't those the rights soldiers die to protect?

It's not about the soldiers, it's about the war. In this case, the war is on inequality.
- golfingsince

I'm not entirely sure why. From what I've observed though is that is the way people feel.

I'm not entirely sure why. From what I've observed though is that is the way people feel.
- just69sayin

I have no right to tell people how to feel, I just feel differently.

I don't take it as a slight, more of a challenge to be better.

And there's the name calling. What a surprise.
- mes418

No one is discrediting his service by kneeling during the anthem. It is an old clap trap that Bush 2 played on and some people still buy: if you don't support the war then you don't support the troops. Silly. An intelligent person can reconcile two opposing thoughts in their brain and not crumble with an all-caps tantrum on the internet. It is indicative of "that" generation which currently brings so little to the table but has taken so much.

I have no right to tell people how to feel, I just feel differently.

I don't take it as a slight, more of a challenge to be better.
- golfingsince

Here, I found some specific opinions on the matter from veterans groups.
https://thehill.com/polic...s-who-kneel-during-anthem

No one is discrediting his service by kneeling during the anthem. It is an old clap trap that Bush 2 played on and some people still buy: if you don't support the war then you don't support the troops. Silly. An intelligent person can reconcile two opposing thoughts in their brain and not crumble with an all-caps tantrum on the internet. It is indicative of that generation that currently brings so little to the table but has taken so much.
- Only_A_Ladd

It could be amusing that you're so discriminatory, prejudicial, prone to stereotyping and quick with the micro-aggressions because it's so transparently hypocritical. Instead it's just ugly.

Here, I found some specific opinions on the matter from veterans groups.
https://thehill.com/polic...s-who-kneel-during-anthem
- just69sayin

I've already seen Trump's opinion.

I liked this one though.

Asked Sunday what he thinks of the issue as someone who served in the military, Defense Secretary James Mattis brushed off the question.

“I'm the secretary of Defense. We defend the country,” Mattis told reporters traveling with him to India, according to a Pentagon transcript released Monday.

I've already seen Trump's opinion.

I liked this one though.

Asked Sunday what he thinks of the issue as someone who served in the military, Defense Secretary James Mattis brushed off the question.

“I'm the secretary of Defense. We defend the country,” Mattis told reporters traveling with him to India, according to a Pentagon transcript released Monday.
- golfingsince

This was at the end of the article. " I
stand for our flag and anthem, and I kneel for our fallen,” VFW national commander Keith Harman said in a statement. “That’s what patriots do. We rally around the flag of our country, not use it and our Constitution as both shield and sword.”

In his statement, Harman, a Vietnam veteran, said that his oath to protect the Constitution means he has a right to disagree with how others choose to protest.


“There is a time and place for civil debate, and wearing team jerseys,” he said, “and using sporting events to disrespect our country doesn’t wash with millions of military veterans who have and continue to wear real uniforms on real battlefields around the globe.”

It could be amusing that you're so discriminatory, prejudicial, prone to stereotyping and quick with the micro-aggressions because it's so transparently hypocritical. Instead it's just ugly.
- mes418

I was not quick with any micro-aggressions exhibited in those posts. They've been developed carefully over time. And I'm sure the OP can defend himself (in all-caps). You might examine why you're so quick to defend a perceived sacred cow. The name calling on this thread is Tanner-thread level today, yet you defend the alleged vet with the clap trap post. Hmm...

This was at the end of the article. " I
stand for our flag and anthem, and I kneel for our fallen,” VFW national commander Keith Harman said in a statement. “That’s what patriots do. We rally around the flag of our country, not use it and our Constitution as both shield and sword.”

In his statement, Harman, a Vietnam veteran, said that his oath to protect the Constitution means he has a right to disagree with how others choose to protest.


“There is a time and place for civil debate, and wearing team jerseys,” he said, “and using sporting events to disrespect our country doesn’t wash with millions of military veterans who have and continue to wear real uniforms on real battlefields around the globe.”
- just69sayin

I saw that. He clearly doesn't speak for all veterans though. Others are getting injured at rallies.

It's also an article from 2017. Many people have changed their minds on the subject with increased awareness including recent high profile incidents.

To me it's really just another instance of poor leadership.

Hey Ek. Hoping to see a rumour chart soon. But you got lots of hits with this one. Nice work. Now that NYR are eliminated, can you confirm how bad they want Krug or Ceci?

Point being...things need to be put in perspective. America perfect? NO, BUT before protesting something, one must look around and realize that America is a pretty God dam good place to live. The protesting is over the top, and the only thing that's systemic in this country is the media bias, and their willingness to only report a one sided story.
- rrentz

For some people...that's the point

I'd imagine somewhere in the comments somebody noted Lehner is Swedish, not Canadian, probably should be clarified.

I'd imagine somewhere in the comments somebody noted Lehner is Swedish, not Canadian, probably should be clarified.
- Bartacus

🇸🇪

(frank) all countries. No lives matter, we’re all scumbags. That’s the truth.

I love how people say that "politics needs to be kept out of sports" and are all up in arms because people are kneeling during the "political songs" played before every game.................it BOGGLES MY MIND how people can't see the irony in that.

if you don't want politics in sports, then stop playing the anthems. jesus, every NFL game in the US has basically turned into a god damn "god bless America, political circle jerk"......they play 46 versions of the national anthem, and then have a 3 and a half hour tribute to every branch of the military before kickoff. it's RIDICULOUSLY political.

"Lung scans”? I’m assuming you mean a chest CT or CTA? Lung scan? That’s a new one never heard that one before."

https://www.hopkinsmedici...s-and-therapies/lung-scan

Have a nice night.
- PT21

Congrats, you found a medical article for dummies. Either way it's an irrelevant semantics argument. What is clear however is that you're fraudulently passing yourself off as having medical expertise. Faking your way to having any actual medical knowledge. It's shameful on your part. Arrogantly thinking you should post and inform those below you on Covid as if you have any expertise. You've been exposed.
If you have an issue with evasive insults, why do you do that yourself? That's a scary trait of accusing others what you yourself do.

Have a nice night.

That sort of bureaucratic clarification happens all the time. For example, employment and growth figures are frequently revised by the BLS after original issuance. There are no evil intentions at heart.

You have no doubt noticed that the deaths you mention in your post are 200, which is a spectacularly insignificant % for the purposes of our discussion.

Cheers.
- PT21

As I said, it's only one example. You're right, that does happen all the time, even before Covid. Thanks for refuting your own argument.


Cheers.

I will ignore the rant and evasive insults.

To summarize, your original contention was that Covid 19 deaths were over-inflated by a factor of 30 when compared to H1N1 deaths

When pressed on precisely how such mis-dagnosis was occurring, your response was... nothing. That is largely because you have nothing except wild references to medical billing codes.

Similarly, you have nothing when pointed out that prestigious journals in the medical field believe Covid deaths are being grotesquely under-counted and that total deaths rose by a huge #. But then, I have no doubt that's a conspiracy too.


And now that this discussion is over and my point is made, here is finally the response to your point about lung scans. Earlier you said:

"Lung scans”? I’m assuming you mean a chest CT or CTA? Lung scan? That’s a new one never heard that one before."

https://www.hopkinsmedici...s-and-therapies/lung-scan

Have a nice night.
- PT21

Ok yeah. That’s what happened. You ignored every, single, point, and dismissed it with nothing. Literally, nothing. Then referenced a New York Times article as validation of said point which is about as reputable as Mad Magazine while also not even directly having anything to do with what the discussion was about. This is of course following you denying that patients were dying without being tested when your side screamed and yelled about there being no tests available for two months. So which is it? Was there really testing available in February, March, April, and the beginning of May or not? If there weren’t an adequate amount of tests available in those months how were those patients actually tested for covid 19? Through “lung scans”? That’s a sure fire diagnosis? Christ why the hell did we even need swab testing we could’ve lined patients outside any imaging center and just “lung scanned” them we could’ve tested the entire country in a month? Why didn’t the rest of the world catch on to this clear diagnosis of covid 19 patients and why did medical device companies like Abbot spend billions on brining swab and blood tests to market?

What the hell do all of those dummies know? They could’ve hopped on hockeybuzz and had you tell them it was a wasted effort. Save your money and put it to good use elsewhere. Come get your “lung scans” everyone. You literally know nothing of what you’re talking about but you know that.

You referencing the “lung scan” you googled as a diagnosis tool for covid 19 just furthers the fact you know nothing. You’re pulling up a nuclear med test which has nothing, zero, zilch, to do with covid 19 diagnosis or testing. It’s a completely separate entity all together and part of treatment (when used in unison with gamma knife) and diagnosis for cancer patients. All that did was solidify that you know absolutely nothing about diagnosis, treatment, hospital business models, or anything in general when it comes to healthcare. Do you think ER’s are clearing covid 19patients by doing nuclear medicine tests for ER clearance injecting all of the patients that come through the ER with radioactive isotopes? The problem is you don’t have any knowledge on the subject to even know how ridiculous that is and it’s impossible to have a discussion with someone who doesn’t have any idea what they’re talking about like yourself.

Go get your “lung scan” to make sure you don’t have covid 19. Make an appointment with nuclear medicine in your local radiology department and make sure to tell them why you want the procedure done and please report back here with the outcome we all look forward to your follow up. I wish you the best and have a great day. Cheers.

As I said, it's only one example. You're right, that does happen all the time, even before Covid. Thanks for refuting your own argument.


Cheers.
- MJL

Pretty incredible how he just obliterated his own position on a subject he wasted hours debating. Can’t make this stuff up.