Just fyi, I am a faculty member (part time) in a Public Policy School in an university. Nowadays, much of my job consists of reading research, talking to infectious specialist doctors, talking to researchers, talking to state administrators and in general being steeped in essentially every element of Covid. We are currently preparing a large document for a hospital chain in the east.

What you are describing is a conspiracy/financial malpractice of the sort that simply cannot occur on a significant scale. The scale of the deception would be too large, and the stakes of it being discovered would be too heinous.

1. First, most patients who are admitted to hospital are already diagnosed with Covid, by a lab that is independent of the hospital. In general, until a patient has severe symptoms, especially respiratory, they will not be admitted. These tests take several days to come by. Its not like going to a hospital and getting a CT scan.

2. Second, the protocol for treatment is often very expensive and detailed.

3. All the social contacts of the infected have to be quarantined. The hospital has to inform the state.

I am very aware of the inflated billing practices of hospitals for treatment, of Tylenol pills being billed at $45 a pill and so on. But there is a huge difference between inflating bills and misdiagnosing. That is a criminal offense. The government will prosecute, the hospital would lose its accreditation, the insurers would prosecute, and the patient and their loved ones would prosecute.

In other words, use your common sense, and stop seeing a conspiracy about everything.
- PT21

Ok. I’ve worked in healthcare my entire life. I worked in research for multiple clinical trials, worked in R&D for companies that directly profit from what I stated, and now for about a decade actually profit from exactly what I’ve been discussing with you (not from covid pts). If you think this is a conspiracy theory then I’ll be completely honest with you. I don’t believe the credentials you’re throwing out on here right now. Either that or you don’t have the intimate knowledge of what drives and how revenue is driven for hospitals. I don’t mean that in a douchey way that is just the way I see it.

If a patient went into respiratory failure in NY in May and died. They were covid positive without testing. The hospital then got paid 58,000 dollars for that patient expiring. If you think that’s a conspiracy theory we’ll just agree to disagree and move on from here.

Just fyi, I am a faculty member (part time) in a Public Policy School in an university. Nowadays, much of my job consists of reading research, talking to infectious specialist doctors, talking to researchers, talking to state administrators and in general being steeped in essentially every element of Covid. We are currently preparing a large document for a hospital chain in the east.

What you are describing is a conspiracy/financial malpractice of the sort that simply cannot occur on a significant scale. The scale of the deception would be too large, and the stakes of it being discovered would be too heinous.

1. First, most patients who are admitted to hospital are already diagnosed with Covid, by a lab that is independent of the hospital. In general, until a patient has severe symptoms, especially respiratory, they will not be admitted. These tests take several days to come by. Its not like going to a hospital and getting a CT scan.

2. Second, the protocol for treatment is often very expensive and detailed.

3. All the social contacts of the infected have to be quarantined. The hospital has to inform the state.

I am very aware of the inflated billing practices of hospitals for treatment, of Tylenol pills being billed at $45 a pill and so on. But there is a huge difference between inflating bills and misdiagnosing. That is a criminal offense. The government will prosecute, the hospital would lose its accreditation, the insurers would prosecute, and the patient and their loved ones would prosecute.

In other words, use your common sense, and stop seeing a conspiracy about everything.
- PT21

It explains everything that you work in a university. It's pretty well known that there is tons of fraud in Covid testing , positive results and death reporting.

In the US, this is a fact. It’s almost like they could really use some socialized healthcare... perhaps name it after a president.... some kind of “Obamacare” for example.
- neem55

Unfortunately, the costs for Obamacare were not figured properly. The program itself cost a lot more than the proposal, and most of the people I spoke to that had to use it said that their insurance cost more than it had before implementation.

Unfortunately, I don't have a true frame of reference for everyone, as most of the people I spoke to either owned a small business, or worked for one. I'm sure it did help a lot of people at or below the poverty line, but I don't have much info to back that up.

Unfortunately, the costs for Obamacare were not figured properly. The program itself cost a lot more than the proposal, and most of the people I spoke to that had to use it said that their insurance cost more than it had before implementation.

Unfortunately, I don't have a true frame of reference for everyone, as most of the people I spoke to either owned a small business, or worked for one. I'm sure it did help a lot of people at or below the poverty line, but I don't have much info to back that up.
- Chunk

Actually for what Obamacare was actually intended for, the costs were figured properly.

This is where the mistakes are being made. Actually thinking that this changes anything. That we actually need to recognize it for real change to happen. That's horsepoop and I'm glad it makes some people feel better. The real discussion needs to revolve around why do certain people have a "privileged position" and how to do help those who don't.
- MJL

It’s made me more aware of my own privilege and as such taught me how to deconstruct it.

Did you learn this on youtube?
- neem55

Tell me which part isn’t true.

It’s made me more aware of my own privilege and as such taught me how to deconstruct it.
- TheUltimateJet

Hey man whatever works for you. If you think it makes you a better person and you don’t super impose your beliefs on others all the power to you.

It explains everything that you work in a university. It's pretty well known that there is tons of fraud in Covid testing , positive results and death reporting.
- MJL

Well that’s the way it is today. If there’s something you don’t agree with these days label it as a conspiracy theory, deem that person ignorant, and declare yourself the winner!

Ok. I’ve worked in healthcare my entire life. I worked in research for multiple clinical trials, worked in R&D for companies that directly profit from what I stated, and now for about a decade actually profit from exactly what I’ve been discussing with you (not from covid pts). If you think this is a conspiracy theory then I’ll be completely honest with you. I don’t believe the credentials you’re throwing out on here right now. Either that or you don’t have the intimate knowledge of what drives and how revenue is driven for hospitals. I don’t mean that in a douchey way that is just the way I see it.

If a patient went into respiratory failure in NY in May and died. They were covid positive without testing. The hospital then got paid 58,000 dollars for that patient expiring. If you think that’s a conspiracy theory we’ll just agree to disagree and move on from here.
- Cptmjl

Well, I am not going to reveal my identity for you in public. I do have an active faculty webpage and a biodata.

After Covid social isolation is over, I am happy to meet you one-on-one, log in to this site in front of you, and you can compare my picture to what you see in front of you.

Now, lets talk about what is germane.

Your claimed career (which sounds a little odd for this purpose but nvm) is largely irrelevant to your conspiracy claim.

Explain to me exactly what the steps are for the misdiagnosis of Covid that is actually something else that is happening routinely and systematically across this country. Don't spout generalities please, and name your hospital/s as evidence. I know a lot of folks in NY hospital chains, especially Presby. I will confirm.

You are anonymous, so there is no danger to you saying this, so fire away.

Not true. Numbers and arrest reports don't support that narrative. Holy Crap...keep eating the fodder.

Viewing a few videos in TV doesn't exactly show the truth either. Just watched newly released Floyd full video. Cop was still wrong and deserving of prosecution, but it shows what the cops were dealing with beforehand
- rrentz

Some full on lotus eating going on in this thread...

I am glad you are recognizing your privileged position in society.
- TheUltimateJet

I’m just recognizing me. Or I can watch Oprah tell me how rascist I am. Because you know The O has been so oppressed.who has more privilege me or Oprah?

It’s made me more aware of my own privilege and as such taught me how to deconstruct it.
- TheUltimateJet

Which does what?

Well that’s the way it is today. If there’s something you don’t agree with these days label it as a conspiracy theory, deem that person ignorant, and declare yourself the winner!
- Cptmjl

That's the entire point and what he pretty much does with anything. He was basically saying you're a nut case rather than actually addressing the point with anything that is actually real. He has the liberal playbook and talking points down pat.

You allude to it with the last bolded sentence, but you have to ask the question of "Why?" for all of these points you make. I won't assume what your explanation is for them, but it does no good to scream about all these injustices/inequalities and not investigate the reasons they are present.

If all corporations are after is money and power, then why wouldn't they flood their staffs with minorities and women (considering they make less than white men on average)? Is they implication that they are racist/misogynistic and greedy at the same time? That would seem counterproductive.
- Chunk

Hi Chunk,

It probably doesn't make sense unless you read my initial post plus "TrueGrits" response.

To sum it up it was saying that unless you start to make a change systemically at the root, all the outcomes listed can't change. It not saying the companies are racist. Lets say your take engineering at a low end school and get good grades and someone from an ivy league school takes engineering but gets low grades. Do you think the non-Ivy leaguer gets more or less than the other person? 100% they get less because its preceived that they went to a lesser school. Now take that back to when they're a child, if they don't have access to a good school because of where they live or finances they will always be in the same track. The cycle continues over and over. That has to start with an acknowledgment that the system may not be setup for them to succeed or worse maybe set up for those people to fail.

Guess what? those people are predominantly black.

Neither is capitalism. Only with big government has capitalism been successful.
- TheUltimateJet

That is laughable. Let’s cut to the chase. Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.
The United States doesn’t have a true capitalist economy anymore.
Big government has its greedy hands in most aspects of the economy.
Why do people rant against big tech big oil big pharma etc but are ok with big govt.
Govts ultimately dictate by force.

Well, I am not going to reveal my identity for you in public. I do have an active faculty webpage and a biodata.

After Covid social isolation is over, I am happy to meet you one-on-one, log in to this site in front of you, and you can compare my picture to what you see in front of you.

Now, lets talk about what is germane.

Your claimed career (which sounds a little odd for this purpose but nvm) is largely irrelevant to your conspiracy claim.

Explain to me exactly what the steps are for the misdiagnosis of Covid that is actually something else that is happening routinely and systematically across this country. Don't spout generalities please, and name your hospital/s as evidence. I know a lot of folks in NY hospital chains, especially Presby. I will confirm.

You are anonymous, so there is no danger to you saying this, so fire away.
- PT21

I just wanted to add an important fact:

As you know, the medical aspect and the billing aspect of hospitals today are completely delinked. The doctors who make the clinical judgment to test/treat/prescribe do not do so with billing related issues in their mind.

Say Jane Doe comes in with symptoms and a + test. She is taken to a negative pressure room and examined. Based on the fact that her blood oxygen level is below 90, she is immediately admitted.

There will be a treatment phase for initial phase.

There will be a precautionary phase now where they will watch out for the second phase, the immune overreaction.

There will be a treatment for the immune reaction if it occurs.

There will be Covid specific drugs and treatment that will be provided.

Now tell me exactly where the misdiagnosis occurs. I will listen with an open mind.

I just wanted to add an important fact:

As you know, the medical aspect and the billing aspect of hospitals today are completely delinked. The doctors who make the clinical judgment to test/treat/prescribe do not do so with billing related issues in their mind.

- PT21

That's completely false. They are most definitely linked. Everything is about money.

Just curious if these non-US players who kneeled during US anthem realize rascim exists in their own countries. Unreal.

I just wanted to add an important fact:

As you know, the medical aspect and the billing aspect of hospitals today are completely delinked. The doctors who make the clinical judgment to test/treat/prescribe do not do so with billing related issues in their mind.

Say Jane Doe comes in with symptoms and a + test. She is taken to a negative pressure room and examined. Based on the fact that her blood oxygen level is below 90, she is immediately admitted.

There will be a treatment phase for initial phase.

There will be a precautionary phase now where they will watch out for the second phase, the immune overreaction.

There will be a treatment for the immune reaction if it occurs.

There will be Covid specific drugs and treatment that will be provided.

Now tell me exactly where the misdiagnosis occurs. I will listen with an open mind.
- PT21

You’ve obviously never heard of RVU’s.

Hi Chunk,

It probably doesn't make sense unless you read my initial post plus "TrueGrits" response.

To sum it up it was saying that unless you start to make a change systemically at the root, all the outcomes listed can't change. It not saying the companies are racist. Lets say your take engineering at a low end school and get good grades and someone from an ivy league school takes engineering but gets low grades. Do you think the non-Ivy leaguer gets more or less than the other person? 100% they get less because its preceived that they went to a lesser school. Now take that back to when they're a child, if they don't have access to a good school because of where they live or finances they will always be in the same track. The cycle continues over and over. That has to start with an acknowledgment that the system is not setup or maybe set up for those people to fail.
Guess what? those people are predominantly black.
- InglewoodJack77

I thought I read all of the discussion prior to yours, but I might have misunderstood. Regardless, the point I was trying to make was that being specific is very important here. "Systematic" doesn't aptly describe anything. You say that you want to get to the root of the problem (as do I), but saying that the "system" is the problem does not describe a target. It is too nebulous to actually get anything done.

Regarding your example, not to be rude, but I think it s asinine. If you get good grades at a "lower tier" school and go up against someone who got worse grades at an upper tier one, you certainly will make more money, because you will get the job and they won't (maybe engineering was not the best example?). I've got experience here as I've been a chemist for over 20 years. I've been paid more than someone with more experience and less than people with less experience. I've found a few things that affect pay:
1) Market - how urgent is the company to hire someone.
2) Negotiating skill - my first two jobs I was horrible at negotiating. My last two I talked my way to more vacation and higher salary than all but two others.
3) Employers are interested in making sure you can perform to the level that they need. Especially today, they care less about the institution and more about seeing proof of results. There are obvious exceptions here (especially if in the example you provided, you both have the same grades), but experience and results rule.

You’ve obviously never heard of RVU’s. Google that.
- Cptmjl

Not to mention the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act which gave a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients

Hahaha you’ve never heard of RVU’s.
- Cptmjl

Please, lets not get sidetracked into evading the issue.

You made a spectacularly astounding claim. According to you, there is enormous mis-classification of patients as Covid when they are not actually infected.

Take a Jane Doe. She comes to the hospital with suspected Covid. There are specific protocols, specific tests, specific treatments, specific diagnostics. In particular, the lung scans, as you know, are of tremendous significance as is the monitoring of hypoxia. Kidney function would be the second most likely organ to be tested.

Each of these tests will be a matter of accessible records. The patient can claim them at any time. If a patient does not have Covid but is classified as such, then an entire battery of tests and scans would have to be faked. And not just one patient, hundreds of thousand across the country, by multiple hospitals.

So, tell me in detail, at which stage this happens, and how. Please be specific.

It is politics, Conservatives see it as disrespectful. Liberals hate the US and tradition to its core and institutions and disrespect the flag. Systemic racism is a myth created by the social engineers to perpetuate further chaos and division. Goal, Communism. Divide,then conquere. Useful idiots will be swayed by tribalism and division under the guise of "fighting racism". By doing so they become racists themselves with inflated over generalizations of percesution and victimhood. Then create a scapegoat class, to perpetuate that racism they seemingly are against. Mass media and establishment social media and tech companies sponsored by China and left wing governments and billionaire financiers like George Soros fund this propaganda through universities and all spectrums.
No longer is sports sports, sports is now an Avenue to form opinion on social issues through propaganda and indoctrination. It's not about a debate, it's about tell you what to think, and shaming you if you dont agree.

Not to mention the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act which gave a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients
- MJL

He’s googling RVU’s as we speak.

Please, lets not get sidetracked into evading the issue.

You made a spectacularly astounding claim. According to you, there is enormous mis-classification of patients as Covid when they are not actually infected.

Take a Jane Doe. She comes to the hospital with suspected Covid. There are specific protocols, specific tests, specific treatments, specific diagnostics. In particular, the lung scans, as you know, are of tremendous significance as is the monitoring of hypoxia. Kidney function would be the second most likely organ to be tested.

Each of these tests will be a matter of accessible records. The patient can claim them at any time. If a patient does not have Covid but is classified as such, then an entire battery of tests and scans would have to be faked. And not just one patient, hundreds of thousand across the country, by multiple hospitals.

So, tell me in detail, at which stage this happens, and how. Please be specific.
- PT21

Do you have any kind of medical degree? Are there any other type of medical conditions that can effect the lung and kidneys? Here are the simple facts. The CDC has guidelines for reporting Covid deaths. It states that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. It's also well documented that there have been many mistakes found in the reporting of infections. A patient comes in with a positive Covid-19 infection and also has a heart condition. While hospitalized, the patient has a heart attack and dies. That's listed as a Civid-19 death. Was anything faked? No, but what did the patient really die from?