brain worms

Damn Canadians kneeling during the American anthem. Want to ruin the NHL the same way they ruined the NFL, NBA and MLB.....keep it up. Will not watch another Vegas, Dallas or Min game. Play the sport, leave your uneducated politics out of it.

Yes... I guess the job reports prior to Covid are lies?

Math be hard for ya?
- rrentz

Nice pivot.

BLM the slogan/movement may be. BLM the organization, while they mention police mistreatment, also wants to "disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure by supporting each other as extended families and 'villages' that collectively care for one another." "We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege". "We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming That Black lives matter, we do not need to qualify our position."

This all taken directly from their website. That's not to say that these are necessarily bad things, but it is not strictly about police violence. The one thing that bothers me in this is that they "do not need to qualify their position". If you are making claims and demanding change, you do have to qualify and prove that the problems you state are real and significant. I certainly may be taking this out of context, but I see it as disingenuous to insinuate that police violence is strictly a black problem.
- Chunk

I believe they are harkening to a long history of undue violence and prejudice that goes back to slavery/segregation. I don’t believe they think police brutality is only a black issue, i think they believe they face a disproportionate due to discrimination. I understand it to be like “if you were black, you would know” in terms of racial profiling.

I think the police force turns, any police force would turn, more brutal when you have armed citizens. I also think there should be much more training rather than buying sweet new cars or tactical equipment. But hey thats my opinion.

brain worms
- BINGO!

It's amazing.

1. Its Marxism not marxism.
2. I did not use the phrase "broad generalities" which you quote for me.
3. I used the phrase flourished not "prospered."
4. The fact that Marxist influenced governments in the west have held power is a matter of fact. Look up the Socialist party in France, and the Labor Party in UK and their relationship with Marxism.

You are basically a moron, Mr. TG, with the references to Good Will Hunting and Eeyore and children fleeing Cuba. As such, you obviously fail to understand that someone can be both not a Marxist and yet want to dispel incorrect illusions about the theory.

Possessing a simple mind, its the 'you are for us or against us ideology', no doubt a lingering remnant of the time you were young and Gung Ho and wanted to get into the Army and failed to name man woman person camera tv, thus failing the basic mental capacity test.

Part of the reason why I bother nowadays in such public forums is largely to expose dufuses like you, and implicitly appeal to those on the sidelines.

Do you really want to cast your lot with the stupid?
- PT21

Time and again you embarrass yourself. You remind me of James Tanner and the disease he has. You focus on pettiness and how he didn't use the upper case M. Then you go on another childish name calling rant rather than addressing the actual content. You have definitely earned your liberal merit badge. You reason that you bother to expose someone and then fail to do so and only wind up exposing yourself. It's rather funny and entertaining.

Damn Canadians kneeling during the American anthem. Want to ruin the NHL the same way they ruined the NFL, NBA and MLB.....keep it up. Will not watch another Vegas, Dallas or Min game. Play the sport, leave your uneducated politics out of it.
- Scooby Doo

How is kneeling "ruining" a league? I always skip the stupid national anthems anyway and I survived just fine. Try it and stop whining.

Damn Canadians kneeling during the American anthem. Want to ruin the NHL the same way they ruined the NFL, NBA and MLB.....keep it up. Will not watch another Vegas, Dallas or Min game. Play the sport, leave your uneducated politics out of it.
- Scooby Doo

Why is it uneducated? Dumba talked specifically about indigenous issues in Canada, which is actually a very valid and educated perspective. Shut up and play in general just seems loaded with bigotry.

ANYONE who kneels for the anthem can go to hell!! Human rights, my ass!! Figure out some other way to "support" human rights, like donating to a cause aimed at eliminating human trafficking. Pathetic dog and pony show before the first Hawks Oliers game Sat on NBC with Dumba(ss) kneeling.

Marxism which is fundamentally atheistic subscribes to the notion that matter makes up the human experience. Everything else is just brain function. Completely opposite of the Judeo-Christian foundation of America.
- MJL

1. I wouldn't even ask what the hell this is supposed to mean. "Matter makes up the human experience?"

2. I understand that you are Cuckoo, but there is no official backing of the view that there is any religion-related "foundation" of the US. Here are the words of one of our founders.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

ANYONE who kneels for the anthem can go to hell!! Human rights, my ass!! Figure out some other way to "support" human rights, like donating to a cause aimed at eliminating human trafficking. Pathetic dog and pony show before the first Hawks Oliers game Sat on NBC with Dumba(ss) kneeling.
- Nmbr1

(frank) your anthem

Why is it uneducated? Dumba talked specifically about indigenous issues in Canada, which is actually a very valid and educated perspective. Shut up and play in general just seems loaded with bigotry.
- neem55

No indigenous people in NWT right?

You are wasting your time. This man is a resident moron on the Flyers part of the buzz.

I give you some solid evidence to back up my dispassionate claim.

1. He considers Rush Limbaugh to be "a great man." He has said so.

2. Is it necessary, given 1 above to go on? Fine lets move on... look at his statement "They are not peaceful, they are Marxists." Now, as anyone who has taken even Pol. Sci 101 knows, Marxism is a theoretical body of work. It is different from communism. There have been plenty of peaceful, democratically elected governments that are Marxist. To say that statement is like saying "they are not peaceful, they are ideologically conservative." It makes no sense. Now why is he saying that? Because he is a moron. He has no idea what Marxism means - its a just a buzzword for him.

3. There is no point arguing with him. He is pathologically argumentative, cannot follow the most basic of metaphors, logical fallacies. He thinks if he posts ten thousand times refuting everything you said, that is debate and he is doing fine. Ten years ago, he would be banned every second month.

4. He once argued with me about death rate data about Covid. I happen to work in a field where I am on dozens of mailing lists when zillions of bits of such information goes by my screen every day. I attend an online presentation a day about Covid stats.

What he said was so outlandish, that I was deeply puzzled. He said it was a study. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and looked high and low in journals. I could not find it. I looked at pre-prints. I asked some colleagues. No one had heard of it.

It turned out that the "study" was 2 doctors who were irate at the shutdown, who held a press conference that was reported in the conservative media.
https://calmatters.org/he...covid-spread-conclusions/

He represents everything he is arguing for, a personal embodiment.
- PT21

Ok sorry to all the peaceful communists out there in advance for this but when BLM founders and leaders say they will burn, kill, do whatever it takes to get whatever it is they think is right (and let’s be clear they have done all of the above) do you still consider them peaceful commies?

This from BLM website:

”Enough is enough.

Our pain, our cries, and our need to be seen and heard resonate throughout this entire country.

We demand acknowledgment and accountability for the devaluation and dehumanization of Black life at the hands of the police.

We call for radical, sustainable solutions that affirm the prosperity of Black lives.

George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.”

Sure sounds like they are cantered on police brutality to black people and not the myriad of other trype you guys seem to want to talk about
- neem55

See my post two above yours for some of their additional tenets. Again, this all sounds very reasonable, until you ask the questions.

Where there is evidence to charge, by and large, police have been arrested and tried (Walter Scott in SC, George Floyd, etc.).

What do they mean specifically by the bolded. I'd be happy to talk about finding better ways to fund failing schools, and find more/better paths to employment (for everyone really). At the same time, one of the main reasons for poor funding and few opportunities in various areas is the high crime rate. It makes it harder to get loans, insurance, workers, etc. Unfortunately, the main method to reduce crime rates is more policing.

I'm not dead inside. I want to see as many people succeed as possible. You simply cannot do that without some introspection as well.

brain worms
- BINGO!

There is an implicit appeal here. That's my sole motivation, really. Probably all in vain but at least I tried.

1. I wouldn't even ask what the hell this is supposed to mean. "Matter makes up the human experience?"

2. I understand that you are Cuckoo, but there is no official backing of the view that there is any religion-related "foundation" of the US. Here are the words of one of our founders.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.



- PT21

Marxism stands in diametric opposition to the Judeo-Christian foundation of America, which views each person as infused with a spirit unbounded by time and space, a manifestation of an omnipotent Creator. Human lives matter — all of them — a belief undergirding the American founding in the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

It's amazing.
- Not_Yan

The worst thing the internet ever did was allow these types of people to find each other so they could feel validated in their insane (frank)ing opinions.

The world has a history of slavery and rascism. This was not and is not a uniquely American abomination.
Black Americans were actually doing better than whites in many aspects in the 50s.
In today’s USA Asians and Indians are excelling more than whites.
IMO the education system in this country has done a horrible disservice to the last few generations.

The soft bigotry of low expectations. A good number of my friends of the persuasion you speak could not disagree with you more.

- TrueGrit

Low expectations? I see you've gone with the "I have a few black friends so I know."

Blacks on average earn less money in the same jobs - fact
Blacks on average have a shorter life expectancy - fact
Blacks on average are sentenced longer for the same crimes compared to whites - fact
Blacks on average have a harder time getting good education - fact
Blacks on average have a harder time getting access to good healthcare - fact
the list could go on.....

Still boils down to the same root cause.

But you go on screaming #maga #deepstate #RedPill #Qwoke - Its the Libs and Dems trying to control you! In reality you're saying, "you're not in their position so why make a change that could make it harder for you!"

Me - I'll continue to support what I believe should be a basic standard for any human.

I believe they are harkening to a long history of undue violence and prejudice that goes back to slavery/segregation. I don’t believe they think police brutality is only a black issue, i think they believe they face a disproportionate due to discrimination. I understand it to be like “if you were black, you would know” in terms of racial profiling.

I think the police force turns, any police force would turn, more brutal when you have armed citizens. I also think there should be much more training rather than buying sweet new cars or tactical equipment. But hey thats my opinion.
- neem55

I could not agree more with the bolded.

Instead of kneeling or holding up a fist, why don't all the players donate 10% of their salaries to black people that have been taken advantage of. Or how about the Cup winner foregoes the playoff winnings and the massive gold rings. Donate the money to this worthy cause. Once reparations have been fully paid we can take a look at other minorities that have been harmed. Latino lives matter. Japanese lives matter. Redheads matter. Etc...

Ok sorry to all the peaceful communists out there in advance for this but when BLM founders and leaders say they will burn, kill, do whatever it takes to get whatever it is they think is right (and let’s be clear they have done all of the above) do you still consider them peaceful commies?
- Cptmjl

Those comments should be widely and publicly condemned. That is common sense and goes without saying, of course.

But you should understand that this is a disorganized, chaotic movement. There are anarchists there, and middle-aged do-gooders. Some are violent, some are criminals, some are idealistic, some want just a spectacle, many are passionate students. Its a loose umbrella group,a rag tag bunch of people. I know many of them from Philly - many are baristas and people work in cafes, and so on. Nice kids, who are young and idealistic.

Its important to remember that:
1. Many of the things they are protesting are worthy of being listened to.
2. That the political opinions of the BLM leaders have very little to with the bulk of the protestors.
3. That violence and unmasked crowds should be condemned but only a small fraction of the protestors are violent.
4. That Marxism, whether you like it or not, is not particularly relevant to the movement we see.

ANYONE who kneels for the anthem can go to hell!! Human rights, my ass!! Figure out some other way to "support" human rights, like donating to a cause aimed at eliminating human trafficking. Pathetic dog and pony show before the first Hawks Oliers game Sat on NBC with Dumba(ss) kneeling.
- Nmbr1

Nice pivot.
- Only_A_Ladd

Well, it is true...and will be again soon enough

1. Its Marxism not marxism.
2. I did not use the phrase "broad generalities" which you quote for me.
3. I used the phrase flourished not "prospered."
4. The fact that Marxist influenced governments in the west have held power is a matter of fact. Look up the Socialist party in France, and the Labor Party in UK and their relationship with Marxism.

You are basically a moron, Mr. TG, with the references to Good Will Hunting and Eeyore and children fleeing Cuba. As such, you obviously fail to understand that someone can be both not a Marxist and yet want to dispel incorrect illusions about the theory.

Possessing a simple mind, its the 'you are for us or against us ideology', no doubt a lingering remnant of the time you were young and Gung Ho and wanted to get into the Army and failed to name man woman person camera tv, thus failing the basic mental capacity test.

Part of the reason why I bother nowadays in such public forums is largely to expose dufuses like you, and implicitly appeal to those on the sidelines.

Do you really want to cast your lot with the stupid?
- PT21

Project much....TG you are discredited because you called me a name....now let me call you a name....

And if you disagree with him...you are stupid.

Did you hear that everyone. I almost chased away an elite poster. We would lose his wisdom and all the big fancy words and phrases he uses, which never address the point or issue. By his own words he is here to win the hearts and minds of the unwashed on the sidelines.

What a great teaching point. Nobody needs a jack ass "fact checker" / "narrative setters" to save us from common sense.

Your "elite" attitude and persona is exactly what turns most people off.

To be clear.... Nobody on the board is here to debate the merits of Marxism. We are not interested in splitting hairs, for this exercise, the consensus big picture view suffices.

Marxism is a central tenant to BLM. It is in their mission statement. That is the origin of the reference on this thread. That is a fact. If you want dance around what it is or represents, have at it.