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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 4:23 PM ET
So, your post above, which stated:

There seems to be a reading comprehension issue on your part. No where in the post you quoted was it stated that crime is rising or skyrocketing.

was incorrect?

(frank)ing moron.

- PT21



Your repeated name calling and childish rants doesn't reflect well on you. It's a sign of your unraveling. You very well know what his post was about. You ignored the main points and instead focused on one sentence that was really irrelevant to the main context of the post. So whether I was correct or not about that doesn't change the point that you again didn't get it.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 4:23 PM ET
Then provide evidence? Is this just a feedback loop of derp?!
- neem55


He knows nothing about Marxism. He came of age at a time in the country when we fought the Cold War, and then once that was done, right wing blabbermouths started using Marxism like pedophilia, a horrendous moral evil.

In the meantime, less than 12 months ago, a man (Jeremy Corbyn) ran for the Prime Minister position and was the leader of the opposition for a long time in the United Kingdom who has repeatedly and openly stated his admiration for Marx.

Feedback loop of derp? You think?
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Sabres VERY Much in Hellebuyck Hearing they are the closest treat to getting a deal…bu a mile., CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Aug 4 @ 4:24 PM ET
Racism is NOT the main factor in determining the success of minorities.

1 parent households, neighborhood gangs, drugs, alcohol, crime and systemic apathy are reasons for keeping them down.

Where was this outrage during the Obama Presidency? He did nothing for minorities, except give them record unemployment and food stamps.

Trump? Prison reform, record employment, home and businesses ownership for minorities.

The difference between then and now is that media didn't report this then and do all they can to poo poo anything good that is done by Trump

- rrentz


Record employment?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 4:24 PM ET
Your repeated name calling and childish rants doesn't reflect well on you. It's a sign of your unraveling. You very well know what his post was about. You ignored the main points and instead focused on one sentence that was really irrelevant to the main context of the post. So whether I was correct or not about that doesn't change the point that you again didn't get it.
- MJL


Au contraire, it is a clinical assessment.

[url]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 4 @ 4:24 PM ET
This is hysterical.
- MJL

Why? I can show evidence that supports what im saying, how about you?
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 4:26 PM ET
Record employment?
- Only_A_Ladd


Yes... I guess the job reports prior to Covid are lies?

Math be hard for ya?
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Aug 4 @ 4:26 PM ET
Millions of Jews survived and flourished in Europe through pogroms, and the Shoah.




This is a rant which I will ignore.



Patrick Mahomes with the 500m contract says hi.

Money in sports is not going anywhere, Mr. True Grit. There are 2 billion people in Asia who are rapidly prospering and have a huge appetite for North American sports. You mentioned China. India is just a deal waiting to be struck.




By no stretch of the imagination will I ever say that the US is a horrible country, with all its problems. It is one of the best places in the world to live.

Having said that, your comment is stupid and cliched. It relies on stereotypes, not data. Even ignoring our history of slavery and genocide of Native Indians, we are now one of the worst countries for the poor to better themselves (see www.epi.org/publication/u...s-peer-countries-mobility/.

This is no longer the country of Horatio Alger, except in the minds of people like you who obstinately fail to reconcile reality with your outdated fancies.

- PT21


Nice try doing your "Good Will Hunting" impersonation.

Talk about cliche, a page back you begin lecturing us all on marxism, cautioning us to discuss the issue, go on to say you are not marxist, but then go on to speak of the "broad generalities" of the prosperity of marxism.

Maybe on an AHL board, would someone be impressed with your fawning over your own reflection, but here...today. Not so much.

My favorite comment of yours is...."rant which I will ignore" this equals, I have no ability to debate or refute the facts set forth.

Where does the money for sports come from?

Fans, directly thru ticket sales and merchandise purchases and indirectly thru advertising and TV viewership.

When those 2 things pull back, so to will the pool of funds that support the sport.

Its really not complicated, but being the advanced Marxist scholar you are, you may have missed that lecture on free market economics.

Even more rich your reference to a study about economic opportunity for poor. In case you missed it, there are not boat loads of people trying to get into Cuba or Venezuela, or crossing the border into Mexico and other Central American countries. There are not waiting lists and lines of people trying to get into Asia and Europe, it is only here the USA. Inconvenient fact and truth. Or as you might say, outdated world view.

Not surprising to get the "cup is half empty" "pump the brakes" response from someone in such an ass backward state.

Thanks for your inspiration Eyore. You are the boards proletariat.


Therat36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 02.27.2006

Aug 4 @ 4:28 PM ET
BLM is about adequately addressing of undue police violence to black Americans. The above is a straw man, while relevant issues not what BLM is addressing.
- neem55

list of the demands from BLM ... End the war on black people.
Reparations for past and continuing harms. (Reparations)
Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people. (Invest-Divest)
Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.(Economic justice)
Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us. (Community control)
Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society. (Political power) ...
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 4:31 PM ET
list of the demands from BLM ... End the war on black people.
Reparations for past and continuing harms. (Reparations)
Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people. (Invest-Divest)
Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.(Economic justice)
Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us. (Community control)
Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society. (Political power) ...

- Therat36


What?? All reasonable demands😄
Therat36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 02.27.2006

Aug 4 @ 4:32 PM ET
What?? All reasonable demands😄
- rrentz

What you don’t wanna give up property you own that you worked for ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 4:34 PM ET
What you don’t wanna give up property you own that you worked for ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
- Therat36


It's amazing hearing the real activists from the 50s/60s (ones that are still alive) talk about bhiw ridiculous this all is
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 4:35 PM ET
It's amazing hearing the real activists from the 50s/60s (ones that are still alive) talk about bhiw ridiculous this all is
- rrentz


I'm white, so I'm the Devil, and don't deserve what me and mine have worked for.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 4 @ 4:37 PM ET
Nice try doing your "Good Will Hunting" impersonation.

Talk about cliche, a page back you begin lecturing us all on marxism, cautioning us to discuss the issue, go on to say you are not marxist, but then go on to speak of the "broad generalities" of the prosperity of marxism.

Maybe on an AHL board, would someone be impressed with your fawning over your own reflection, but here...today. Not so much.

My favorite comment of yours is...."rant which I will ignore" this equals, I have no ability to debate or refute the facts set forth.

Where does the money for sports come from?

Fans, directly thru ticket sales and merchandise purchases and indirectly thru advertising and TV viewership.

When those 2 things pull back, so to will the pool of funds that support the sport.

Its really not complicated, but being the advanced Marxist scholar you are, you may have missed that lecture on free market economics.

Even more rich your reference to a study about economic opportunity for poor. In case you missed it, there are not boat loads of people trying to get into Cuba or Venezuela, or crossing the border into Mexico and other Central American countries. There are not waiting lists and lines of people trying to get into Asia and Europe, it is only here the USA. Inconvenient fact and truth. Or as you might say, outdated world view.

Not surprising to get the "cup is half empty" "pump the brakes" response from someone in such an ass backward state.

Thanks for your inspiration Eyore. You are the boards proletariat.

- TrueGrit

Marx completely dismissed free-market capitalism as the worst possible economic outcome because owners would have free reign. Only stupid libertarians speak of the purity of the market and buying power, not at all Marx’s bag. You do know that you can read things and disagree with them right? Or agree with parts of them and not others?

What a odd and antiquated view of US as this glorious place as poverty and death rates continue to break records. There is a huge lineup for refugees going to Europe. Turn off Fox news.

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 4 @ 4:38 PM ET
list of the demands from BLM ... End the war on black people.
Reparations for past and continuing harms. (Reparations)
Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people. (Invest-Divest)
Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.(Economic justice)
Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us. (Community control)
Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society. (Political power) ...

- Therat36

What is this from?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 4:38 PM ET
He knows nothing about Marxism. He came of age at a time in the country when we fought the Cold War, and then once that was done, right wing blabbermouths started using Marxism like pedophilia, a horrendous moral evil.

In the meantime, less than 12 months ago, a man (Jeremy Corbyn) ran for the Prime Minister position and was the leader of the opposition for a long time in the United Kingdom who has repeatedly and openly stated his admiration for Marx.

Feedback loop of derp? You think?

- PT21


The founders of the movement don't even try to hide that they're Marxists. They refer to themselves as such. "Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors reveals that she and fellow co-founder Alicia Garza are followers of an ideology that could not be more foreign to the American way: “We actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular, we’re trained organizers. We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on ideological theories.”

Marxism which is fundamentally atheistic subscribes to the notion that matter makes up the human experience. Everything else is just brain function. Completely opposite of the Judeo-Christian foundation of America. The engine of the BLM movement and how they hope to create change and create progress is through conflict. They hope that when everything ends, something better is formed. If you disagree with them, they get violent. If you have a sign that says "all lives matter", you'll be beaten for it. They want to force police to kneel before them. They destroy property. They attack those who disagree with them. Throwing molotov cocktails at buildings. Pulling down statues. Getting in police officers faces screaming obsolescent at them. This is all putting a marxist ideology into action.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 4:39 PM ET
Au contraire, it is a clinical assessment.


- PT21[url]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)


More evidence of your ignorance.
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 4:40 PM ET
What is this from?
- neem55


I guess you don't listen to them speak
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 4 @ 4:41 PM ET
BLM is about adequately addressing of undue police violence to black Americans. The above is a straw man, while relevant issues not what BLM is addressing.
- neem55


BLM the slogan/movement may be. BLM the organization, while they mention police mistreatment, also wants to "disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure by supporting each other as extended families and 'villages' that collectively care for one another." "We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege". "We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming That Black lives matter, we do not need to qualify our position."

This all taken directly from their website. That's not to say that these are necessarily bad things, but it is not strictly about police violence. The one thing that bothers me in this is that they "do not need to qualify their position". If you are making claims and demanding change, you do have to qualify and prove that the problems you state are real and significant. I certainly may be taking this out of context, but I see it as disingenuous to insinuate that police violence is strictly a black problem.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 4:41 PM ET
Why? I can show evidence that supports what im saying, how about you?
- neem55


You can show rhetoric that supports what you're saying but not real evidence. BLM could really care less about police brutality. They care about power. They also could care less about the common black man.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 4 @ 4:42 PM ET
This from BLM website:

”Enough is enough.

Our pain, our cries, and our need to be seen and heard resonate throughout this entire country.

We demand acknowledgment and accountability for the devaluation and dehumanization of Black life at the hands of the police.

We call for radical, sustainable solutions that affirm the prosperity of Black lives.

George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.”

Sure sounds like they are cantered on police brutality to black people and not the myriad of other trype you guys seem to want to talk about
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 4 @ 4:45 PM ET
You make a claim, then ask me to prove it..... You are the confused one in this instance. You are stating opinion. That's fine, but call it what it is. And define Marxist. "of Karl Marx or his theories?" Again, you can continue to make generalizations or provide evidence and context.
- Pavfan13


That’s great the one of the founding members of the BLM political group has stated they are well schooled in Marxism. By well schooled it was implied that is was
To be adhered to and followed.
Young white kids running around rioting etc all to get rid of fascism as they stomp out any alternative view and demand they get what they want or will burn it all down.
Yeah makes sense to me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 4 @ 4:48 PM ET


George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.”


- neem55


This is fundamentally untrue.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 4 @ 4:49 PM ET
Nice try doing your "Good Will Hunting" impersonation.

Talk about cliche, a page back you begin lecturing us all on marxism, cautioning us to discuss the issue, go on to say you are not marxist, but then go on to speak of the "broad generalities" of the prosperity of marxism.

Maybe on an AHL board, would someone be impressed with your fawning over your own reflection, but here...today. Not so much.

My favorite comment of yours is...."rant which I will ignore" this equals, I have no ability to debate or refute the facts set forth.

Where does the money for sports come from?

Fans, directly thru ticket sales and merchandise purchases and indirectly thru advertising and TV viewership.

When those 2 things pull back, so to will the pool of funds that support the sport.

Its really not complicated, but being the advanced Marxist scholar you are, you may have missed that lecture on free market economics.

Even more rich your reference to a study about economic opportunity for poor. In case you missed it, there are not boat loads of people trying to get into Cuba or Venezuela, or crossing the border into Mexico and other Central American countries. There are not waiting lists and lines of people trying to get into Asia and Europe, it is only here the USA. Inconvenient fact and truth. Or as you might say, outdated world view.

Not surprising to get the "cup is half empty" "pump the brakes" response from someone in such an ass backward state.

Thanks for your inspiration Eyore. You are the boards proletariat.

- TrueGrit


1. Its Marxism not marxism.
2. I did not use the phrase "broad generalities" which you quote for me.
3. I used the phrase flourished not "prospered."
4. The fact that Marxist influenced governments in the west have held power is a matter of fact. Look up the Socialist party in France, and the Labor Party in UK and their relationship with Marxism.

You are basically a moron, Mr. TG, with the references to Good Will Hunting and Eeyore and children fleeing Cuba. As such, you obviously fail to understand that someone can be both not a Marxist and yet want to dispel incorrect illusions about the theory.

Possessing a simple mind, its the 'you are for us or against us ideology', no doubt a lingering remnant of the time you were young and Gung Ho and wanted to get into the Army and failed to name man woman person camera tv, thus failing the basic mental capacity test.

Part of the reason why I bother nowadays in such public forums is largely to expose dufuses like you, and implicitly appeal to those on the sidelines.

Do you really want to cast your lot with the stupid?
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 4 @ 4:50 PM ET
This is fundamentally untrue.
- MJL


Facts are an inconvenient truth for them.
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Aug 4 @ 4:50 PM ET
Marx completely dismissed free-market capitalism as the worst possible economic outcome because owners would have free reign. Only stupid libertarians speak of the purity of the market and buying power, not at all Marx’s bag. You do know that you can read things and disagree with them right? Or agree with parts of them and not others?

What a odd and antiquated view of US as this glorious place as poverty and death rates continue to break records. There is a huge lineup for refugees going to Europe. Turn off Fox news.

- neem55


False premise...In case you missed it, we do not have, nor did I imply we have free market capitalism and that is the end all.

I am glad you believe that the US has the worst poverty and high death rates etc...

It will keep more dippoops like you from wanting to come.

Big line up of refugees into Europe....laughable. More Middle eastern slaves from your new world order crowd.
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