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LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 15 @ 6:21 PM ET
Wait I wrote that in his draft year, right?

That was what I saw of a junior player as a junior.
When you are looking to draft a goalie, you do look for quickness and anticipation but it is the economy of motion that separates up and coming goaltenders.
If a kid is anticipating say a cross ice pass and starts moving even a juke to maybe make the shooter think he "knows" where it is going, you have put thebgoaler in a position were he isn't as set or positioned.

That is far different from a kid like this Russian who is also so fast but the quickness gets "exerted" when he feels he has read and wants to react.

Maybe I simply have decided he can't improve enough to be a full season starter, even after the times he played well behind that good Vegas team the first couple seasons. HE HAS WON 20 NHL games, and I can't say I won one....He just always seems to fall short when I see him. That is why I thought he wasn't a get in the trade with Vegas, more a cap equalizer.
But don't let my biased cloud the situation...this is a big chance for one or more of these goalies to help win in what will be some fairly open shooting matches.

I guess I like the idea that the hawks were made even bigger underdogs, but whose to say after these scrimmages one of them is a guy the team feels they can rally behind, or maybe two of them....because if the players in front of that starter don't, we will probably be aware by the middle of game two.

- wiz1901


I just look at Jordan Binnington who came out of nowhere. Not saying any one of the goalies the Hawks have can grab the bull by the horns like Binnington did (and this was out of desparation by the Blues not some grand design to groom him.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:31 PM ET
I just look at Jordan Binnington who came out of nowhere. Not saying any one of the goalies the Hawks have can grab the bull by the horns like Binnington did (and this was out of desparation by the Blues not some grand design to groom him.
- LAHawk


I look at what you say and if there is someone whom emerged for us, I' d bet first on Laakinen. What he did for Finland just intrigues. Maybe he is only going to be a descent even back up career NHL keeper. Delia and Subban have too big a question mark but hey now is the time to "make hey."

It is just such uncertainty with these times with Covid19 and changes in revenue making and expenditures for teams.....you cannot expect a free agent or trade will come along......you draft this kid if it is possible. You might draft a couple goaltenders too. Law of percentages might yield a Binnington , a Subban a Delia a Laakinen......was Florida afraid to draft their guy first round. And Tallon one day will start that kid as their next goaltender or trade the kid or trade Bob.

Sure I would rather draft a power forward. None really available where we draft. Quinn or Holloway. Meh..... But if we could draft a Perfetti or Drysdale.....or Aaskarov: they will be your difference makers.

That actually would be my preference because that is what we need and each is a worthy top tier player. After missing on drafting the top couple kids due to our spot......just hoping

Askarov we need a too young goalie

Perfetti is damn good although I wish he was a tad better skater

Drysdale because I fear Boqvist is going to be experiencing a concussion filled career. And Drysdale is maybe the top dman fir three drafts.....have to consult with wiz on 2021 draft, but Drysdale will be good both ways offense & defense beside his skill set attributes which includes his directional skating edge work etc al
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:36 PM ET
I look at what you say and if there is someone whom emerged for us, I'm d bet first on Laakinen. What he did for Finland just intrigues. Maybe he is only going to be a descent even back up career NHL keeper. Delia and Subban have too big a question mark but hey now is the time to "make hey."

It is just such uncertainty with these times with Covid19 and changed in revenue making and expenditures for teams.....you cannot expect a free agent or trade will come along......you draft this kid if it is possible. You might draft a couple goaltenders too. Law of percentages might yield a Binnington , a Subban a Delia a Laakinen......was Florida afraid to draft their guy first round. And Tallon one day will start that kid as their next goaltender or trade Bob.

Sure I would rather draft a power forward. None really available where we draft. Quinn or Holloway. Meh..... But if we could draft a Perfetti or Drysdale.....or Aaskarov: they will be your difference makers.

That actually would be my preference because that is what we need and each is a worthy top tier player.

Askarov we need a too young goalie

Perfetti is damn good although I wish he was a bit better skater

Drysdale because I fear Boqvist is going to be experiencing a concussion filled career. And Drysdale is maybe the too dman fir three drafts.....have to consult with wiz on 2021 draft, but Drysdale will be good both ways offense & defense beside his skill set attributes which includes his directional skating edge work etc al

- jhawk59

Unfortunately Drysdale will not be available by the time the Hawks pick. I can't envision a scenario he gets out of the top-7.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 15 @ 7:39 PM ET
Unfortunately Drysdale will not be available by the time the Hawks pick. I can't envision a scenario he gets out of the top-7.
- TommyHawk


Not saying you are wrong but stranger things have happened. Bovquist was never supposed to be available at #8 either.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:41 PM ET
Unfortunately Drysdale will not be available by the time the Hawks pick. I can't envision a scenario he gets out of the top-7.
- TommyHawk


Agree. Shocked almost if someone reached for Sanderson ahead of Drysdale.as the top dman they envision.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:53 PM ET
Unfortunately Drysdale will not be available by the time the Hawks pick. I can't envision a scenario he gets out of the top-7.
- TommyHawk


How about at #1?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:54 PM ET
Not saying you are wrong but stranger things have happened. Bovquist was never supposed to be available at #8 either.
- LAHawk

I don't think Drysdale makes it past the Wings or Sens.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:55 PM ET
Not saying you are wrong but stranger things have happened. Bovquist was never supposed to be available at #8 either.
- LAHawk


The Hawks might get the guy with the French name. If not they'll get a guy with a decent shot at being very good.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 15 @ 7:56 PM ET
How about at #1?
- mohel

Hawks get #1 and the pick isn't Lefreniere, Bowman should be fire on the spot.
just69sayin
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago
Joined: 11.15.2014

Jul 15 @ 7:58 PM ET
Franking calm or. not he blew lead after lead and it affected to group.

No one is trying go bury him before ewe see if there is growth, but the upside has little to do with NHL canvass...

like scottie here I think:

Yup, he appeared calm, until the red light started going on so frequently he got a burn on the back of his neck.
He's shown nothing to support the theory that he can even be a passable NHL backup.

- wiz1901

hey buddy...thanks for the response. i know i'm a terrible ass half the time, but can you please try to use english grammar. im not trying to be a jerk. Just slow down and spell.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 15 @ 8:05 PM ET
hey buddy...thanks for the response. i know i'm a terrible ass half the time, but can you please try to use english grammar. im not trying to be a jerk. Just slow down and spell.
- just69sayin

Hey buddy - content over form.

Wiz contributes a lot - quantity AND QUALITY.

just69sayin
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago
Joined: 11.15.2014

Jul 15 @ 8:34 PM ET
Hey buddy - content over form.

Wiz contributes a lot - quantity AND QUALITY.

- StLBravesFan

I'm sorry, I'm not trained and "broken in", to Wiz-ese. Why is it too much to ask for someone to use the language properly? Isn't that the whole reason why we have it? lol
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jul 15 @ 9:11 PM ET
I'm sorry, I'm not trained and "broken in", to Wiz-ese. Why is it too much to ask for someone to use the language properly? Isn't that the whole reason why we have it? lol
- just69sayin


Did you really not understand the gist of what Wiz wrote?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 15 @ 9:17 PM ET
nope, untrue he doesn't burn it he agreed to this to keep the big signing bonus.
His deal comes up a year after theirs.

EbonyRaptor, thanks for putting uo that link to the hawk scrimmage.

I can't believe that the two draft turkeys at the Athletic thought Kirbay Dach wasn't quick enough to dominate, because he certainly looks able with the long stride to cover plenty of ground....

- wiz1901

Wiz can confirm Phil Esposito wasn't the fastest guy on skates, I would say Dach is considerably faster and Esposito dominated quite well in a 12 team league.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jul 15 @ 9:56 PM ET
Bowman would rather tank in this series and take that 12 1/2% chance to draft #1!
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jul 15 @ 10:54 PM ET
Bowman would rather tank in this series and take that 12 1/2% chance to draft #1!
- HenryHockey


That is the only smart thing to do.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 15 @ 10:55 PM ET
Agree. Shocked almost if someone reached for Sanderson ahead of Drysdale.as the top dman they envision.
- jhawk59


Actually Jim, not a reach...he is a bigger man with as good feet and while he isn't as yet an instinctive attacker, he moves really well will only get better.

You can't teach size and Drysdale is gonna have to cope just like all the Hawk prospect/defenders who are strong in so areas but defend and contend with having to pay against the big boys.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 15 @ 10:56 PM ET
Hawks get #1 and the pick isn't Lefreniere, Bowman should be fire on the spot.
- Elbows15


I dunno, I could trade the pick for Ottawa's picks and Tkachuk
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:03 PM ET
hey buddy...thanks for the response. i know i'm a terrible ass half the time, but can you please try to use english grammar. im not trying to be a jerk. Just slow down and spell.
- just69sayin


Firstly this part:
Yup, he appeared calm, until the red light started going on so frequently he got a burn on the back of his neck.
He's shown nothing to support the theory that he can even be a passable NHL backup.

- scottak


"Yup, he appeared calm, until the red light started going on so frequently he got a burn on the back of his neck". was Scottak'sreply post to YOU....
My contribution was "Franking calm or not, he blew lead after lead and it affected to group. the rest was scottak' post.. .

Not a problem if you blow part my posts, I am not insulted, my mind moves faster than my fingers and the eye don't catch the missing words, misspells or lack of connected words...and my taught grammar 35 years and probably cringes more than you do with my add ass having no return backspace in place...Maybe the new Rx will fix that and all the other things that aren't right in me!

But...not slowing down...

...and sure, I would love to hope the Blackhawks could find a diamond late blooming goalie you can be a mainstay a starter and a real backstopped last line of defense, but...I will not be seduced into a Scott Darling daydream that Delia has made the jump to anchor the club.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jul 15 @ 11:12 PM ET
I dunno, I could trade the pick for Ottawa's picks and Tkachuk
- wiz1901


Wouldn't that be something.

Ordinarily I wouldn't give up quality for quantity ... but Lafreniere for Tkachuk, Stutzle and Askarov ... not that Ottawa would do it but I think I might be with you on that one Wiz.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:14 PM ET
Wouldn't that be something.

Ordinarily I wouldn't give up quality for quantity ... but Lafreniere for Tkachuk, Stutzle and Askarov ... not that Ottawa would do it but I think I might be with you on that one Wiz.

- EbonyRaptor


I think Drysdale there instead of askarov too...so maybe...Jhawk 59 gets his guy on the backline.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 15 @ 11:30 PM ET
I dunno, I could trade the pick for Ottawa's picks and Tkachuk
- wiz1901

Now if hypothetically you had the #1 overall and you are trading it......this is the sort of trade to go after.. I probably do not make this trade because the type player LaFranierre projects. Nonetheless each GM would want a Tkachuk and still draft o couple spots later. Stutzle or Drysdale or Perfetti. Consider the impact of each player. Consider you are getting two for one. Now if that pick was a few spots lower, this trade looses much of its appeal

It is said the team with the best player wins the trade. I am not so sure in this example. Either way - trade or no trade -you sit well. Again I take hard (difficult) no on this trade. A team should not trade its own #1 choice from past draft when said player has shown well. You should be overwhelmed if you trade for example Tzachuk. I would rather trade some other highly rated prospect or highly regarded youngster than than Tzachuk
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 15 @ 11:36 PM ET
I dunno, I could trade the pick for Ottawa's picks and Tkachuk
- wiz1901

Ottawa wouldn't, though
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:42 PM ET
It is difficult to win the first overall and start feeling pressure from it.

But the Cap crunch can sour the best of grapes.

Look how all those Winnipeg early part of the first round picks put them Cap crunched and sent the young defender Trouba to Rangers...but the guys still there deserve the money, right/

Let's just imagine this: what IF Lafreniere is a good player, but more Jonathan Drouin than Barkov or Mackinnon...
or think how Nico Hischier and Nolan Patrick and for that matter Hughes are going to take longer to the league by storm as dominant players IF THEY EVER TRULY BECOME that....

Hawks gonna open the checkbook on Lafreniere second deal before they see high end positive results in all around and production?

I look at Nico Hischier ready to make 7.25 NEXT year, on the job training at a more than generous number.

My point its simple if you pick first you always will have to pay and you may not get that dominant guy -think Nolan Patrick if healthy is a Matthews type???

Kinda like Kyle Turris, who gets pick early, and things go south with no qualitative jump in play to match is finances as a player, so Nashville has a salary six million buck contract now, with the players looking at an attempt to be a 3rd line pivot (but not a Toews able 3rd liner).

Would the two guys you get with the Ottawa picks ask for the same? Maybe
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 15 @ 11:42 PM ET
Wouldn't that be something.

Ordinarily I wouldn't give up quality for quantity ... but Lafreniere for Tkachuk, Stutzle and Askarov ... not that Ottawa would do it but I think I might be with you on that one Wiz.

- EbonyRaptor

I would take Rossi and the Kraut.
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