Any other standouts at the scrimmage?
- I Am The Breadman

Dach and Kubalik looked very good although I didn't notice their linemate which I think was supposed to be Caggiula. Dach is going to be a monster and Stan better find a way to re-sign Kubalik.

The black team dominated the red team. The black team had Nylander-Strome-Kane, Kubalik-Dach-Caggiula and also had Boqvist-Keith on defense. Couldn't tell who the goalies were.

Man, it was fun watching hockey again - even just a scrimmage.

Seabrook was on their team. Kane dummied Maatta in the corner to set up a goal for Strome as Special K looked on.
- Elbows15

Not like that hasn't happened to a NHL defenseman before.

Delia's upside is based on how calm he looked when playing initial games at the NHL level. This guy has steadily played his way onto an AHL/NHL club with no hype. From Big Bear Lake , CA!
https://sportsmockery.com...al-deal-with-1st-nhl-win/
- just69sayin

Franking calm or. not he blew lead after lead and it affected to group.

No one is trying go bury him before ewe see if there is growth, but the upside has little to do with NHL canvass...

like scottie here I think:

Yup, he appeared calm, until the red light started going on so frequently he got a burn on the back of his neck.
He's shown nothing to support the theory that he can even be a passable NHL backup.

Strome flying easy there...
- rpeters01

once moving he can do things at top speed, always has been able to...

Dach and Kubalik looked very good although I didn't notice their linemate which I think was supposed to be Caggiula. Dach is going to be a monster and Stan better find a way to re-sign Kubalik.

The black team dominated the red team. The black team had Nylander-Strome-Kane, Kubalik-Dach-Caggiula and also had Boqvist-Keith on defense. Couldn't tell who the goalies were.

Man, it was fun watching hockey again - even just a scrimmage.
- EbonyRaptor

It was Caggiula

Powers just reported Mitchell officially signed so I think that means he burns a year which means his RFA contract will be after the 2021/22 season - same as Dach and Boqvist. YIKES!

CORRECTION - He signed a 3-year ELC which means he didn't burn a year which means his RFA will be after the 2022/23 season.

Powers just reported Mitchell officially signed so I think that means he burns a year which means his RFA contract will be after the 2021/22 season - same as Dach and Boqvist. YIKES!
- EbonyRaptor

nope, untrue he doesn't burn it he agreed to this to keep the big signing bonus.
His deal comes up a year after theirs.

EbonyRaptor, thanks for putting uo that link to the hawk scrimmage.

I can't believe that the two draft turkeys at the Athletic thought Kirbay Dach wasn't quick enough to dominate, because he certainly looks able with the long stride to cover plenty of ground....

Powers just reported Mitchell officially signed so I think that means he burns a year which means his RFA contract will be after the 2021/22 season - same as Dach and Boqvist. YIKES!
- EbonyRaptor

SCH saying his contract starts next season. Powers is cited as the source. Apparently Mitchell opted for that route.

nope untrue he doesn't burn it he agree to this to keep the big signing bonus.
His deal comes up a year after theirs.
- wiz1901

I guess it would help if I read Powers' whole article.

nope, untrue he doesn't burn it he agreed to this to keep the big signing bonus.
His deal comes up a year after theirs.

EbonyRaptor, thanks for putting uo that link to the hawk scrimmage.

I can't believe that the two draft turkeys at the Athletic thought Kirbay Dach wasn't quick enough to dominate, because he certainly looks able with the long stride to cover plenty of ground....
- wiz1901

Yeah, I was one of the lemmings that followed the Byram parade over the cliff - even with your assessment he had some holes in his defensive game. I also wanted Turcotte before Dach and the other top guys. But, I quickly warmed up to Dach after not many games into the season when I got to see him play against legit NHL players and I could see that his skating was not going to hold him back from being a very good player. Plus he works hard on the defensive side of the puck - what's not to like?

Have you seen any of his work in the AHL this year? After a slow start, he showed a lot of progress.
- Chunk

AHL 'aint the show.

Yeah, I was one of the lemmings that followed the Byram parade over the cliff - even with your assessment he had some holes in his defensive game. I also wanted Turcotte before Dach and the other top guys. But, I quickly warmed up to Dach after not many games into the season when I got to see him play against legit NHL players and I could see that his skating was not going to hold him back from being a very good player. Plus he works hard on the defensive side of the puck - what's not to like?
- EbonyRaptor

Wait don't credit me with too much!

I thought for the Hawks Cozens would be a better fit because he had the quickness, but I always knew Dach was so good so meat plays where he used his body and speed to hit / 'loosen"/ and take possession of pucks besides there was always a high commitment to the defensive end, fluidly getting back to help or even replace the defenders as the enemy attacked.
I have to wonder that after they won the lottery if they favored him over Kaapo Kakko...he was bigger, was involved all over and he simply seems to have fun trying to get to done, not just want the puck, but to get the job done.

I don't even want to think about them winning that lottery because I just can think about where that puts the group - it would be a qualitative jump back closer to contenders.

I guess it would help if I read Powers' whole article.
- EbonyRaptor

Your boy Shalunov is staying in Russia.

Wait don't credit me with too much!

I thought for the Hawks Cozens would be a better fit because he had the quickness, but I always knew Dach was so good so meat plays where he used his body and speed to hit / 'loosen"/ and take possession of pucks besides there was always a high commitment to the defensive end, fluidly getting back to help or even replace the defenders as the enemy attacked.
I have to wonder that after they won the lottery if they favored him over Kaapo Kakko...he was bigger, was involved all over and he simply seems to have fun trying to get to done, not just want the puck, but to get the job done.

I don't even want to think about them winning that lottery because I just can think about where that puts the group - it would be a qualitative jump back closer to contenders.
- wiz1901

Hey Wiz, just read what you wrote about Subban: He has tremendous quickness but sometimes his reactionary movement seems like wasted motion when he could have tracked the puck and moved when it actually was on net. Takes up the net, and squares & challenges well. Has had a spat of injuries to his groin and ankle. Quick as can be and has excellent anticipation but is wildly "jumpy" when the heat is turned up on him.

Sounds like he needed(s) maturity, has all the skill. Would you give him the net and let him try and run with it? Tell him not to worry if you let in a bad goal, you are not going to be pulled? He has had experience at world tournaments

AHL 'aint the show.
- scottak

Obviously the AHL isn't the NHL, but he showed a lot of progress when there. What is the point of the comment? Are you saying that any goalie that doesn't show to be a starter in his first stint is not worth developing further?

Your boy Shalunov is staying in Russia.
- Elbows15

Oh noes ... cancel the parade.

Your boy Shalunov is staying in Russia.
- Elbows15

Shalunov will play in Switzerland with an NHL our clause. Don’t worry, he’ll play for the Hawks this season.

Mitchell has officially signed and he’ll start next season and won’t burn a year for 19/20.

Shalunov will play in Switzerland with an NHL our clause. Don’t worry, he’ll play for the Hawks this season.

Mitchell has officially signed and he’ll start next season and won’t burn a year for 19/20.
- DarthKane

A relief Mitchell signed. I thought all along that Stan would blow it again.

once moving he can do things at top speed, always has been able to...
- wiz1901

Because otherwise he is too slow and terrible defensively. So thank goodness he can do something well.

A relief Mitchell signed. I thought all along that Stan would blow it again.
- mohel

The timing of the deal is still questionable.

Hey Wiz, just read what you wrote about Subban: He has tremendous quickness but sometimes his reactionary movement seems like wasted motion when he could have tracked the puck and moved when it actually was on net. Takes up the net, and squares & challenges well. Has had a spat of injuries to his groin and ankle. Quick as can be and has excellent anticipation but is wildly "jumpy" when the heat is turned up on him.

Sounds like he needed(s) maturity, has all the skill. Would you give him the net and let him try and run with it? Tell him not to worry if you let in a bad goal, you are not going to be pulled? He has had experience at world tournaments
- LAHawk

Wait I wrote that in his draft year, right?

That was what I saw of a junior player as a junior.
When you are looking to draft a goalie, you do look for quickness and anticipation but it is the economy of motion that separates up and coming goaltenders.
If a kid is anticipating say a cross ice pass and starts moving even a juke to maybe make the shooter think he "knows" where it is going, you have put thebgoaler in a position were he isn't as set or positioned.

That is far different from a kid like this Russian who is also so fast but the quickness gets "exerted" when he feels he has read and wants to react.

Maybe I simply have decided he can't improve enough to be a full season starter, even after the times he played well behind that good Vegas team the first couple seasons. HE HAS WON 20 NHL games, and I can't say I won one....He just always seems to fall short when I see him. That is why I thought he wasn't a get in the trade with Vegas, more a cap equalizer.
But don't let my biased cloud the situation...this is a big chance for one or more of these goalies to help win in what will be some fairly open shooting matches.

I guess I like the idea that the hawks were made even bigger underdogs, but whose to say after these scrimmages one of them is a guy the team feels they can rally behind, or maybe two of them....because if the players in front of that starter don't, we will probably be aware by the middle of game two.

Franking calm or. not he blew lead after lead and it affected to group.

No one is trying go bury him before ewe see if there is growth, but the upside has little to do with NHL canvass...

like scottie here I think:

Yup, he appeared calm, until the red light started going on so frequently he got a burn on the back of his neck.
He's shown nothing to support the theory that he can even be a passable NHL backup.
- wiz1901

Each of the goaltenders in camp - except Tompkins who deserves more time but I don't think he will be special - have been kicking around long enough. Crawford does not have much NHL time remaining. It is prohibitively too expensive NOW (emphasis added) to trade for or sign someone and anoit them the newbie in net

Of course you cannot judge Delia or anyone by the results a couple days into camp. Yady yaddy yaddy. Yes I have heard that Bowman is not of the mindset to draft a goaltender in round one

Alright the stage seemingly is getting set for Bowman and perhaps people in the organization in another roundtable to suggest maybe even give a good prospect and or a current roster player (even take on a bad contract but we cannot be overwhelmed/ we give something back that is bad- maybe Shaw who is finished).

The bottom line is that you take a goaltender and you reach a bit - you pass on the best player available theory even if you believe in the theory. You have to get a goaltender.......somehow.....someway

Unless you really are going forward with this group. Yikes?! (Not yet yikes).

Oh and I meant you give up something just to move up maybe only one or two spots in The Entry Draft. If another team 8s bluffing on taking Aasinov, oh well they win the bluff. Have to rope lasoo and bring your goaltender here

The bottom line is that you take a goaltender and you reach a bit - you pass on the best player available theory even if you believe in the theory. .
- jhawk59

If you commit to a rebuild without Crawford (which is fine), you better have a couple kids who can play and be more than mediocre because you in the midst of a rebuilding the defense, and their improvement (which probably could be justifies and praised by their play when they watch after game video) has to tie with success in stopping teams for filling your net.

I would love to see these kids progress, but that being said, I need to SEE it, because I haven't yet seen it.

If the hawks get booted and so does Montreal and they both dont go first overall, I really don't think Askarov is a reach at 10th overall- he is the best player available.

I can spot five names in that 8 - 12 slotting area who are forwards who could be great on paper choices, but I can't attempt to not believe there is a chance say Jack Quinn isn't Brendan Perlini, or that Marco Rossi turns into Marko Dano....I say it over and over: even after we see these great performances at the junior level it is a whole lotta love and commitment and work that has to follow and breaks too...

Sure I know the hawks need some blood in the front lines but dont think this Russian Goalie less or MORE upside than the guys whose names I have around him. Just that he is a value pick around there.

Me, I would be happy with Dylan Holloway's upside.
and all this downgrading of Lundell, he may be gone before ten slot, too....in the same was Dach was a surprise, and Arizona selected Barrett Hayton 5th overall, and Montreal selected Jesperi Kotkaniemi 3rd.

That is why I think if the hawks pick 9th, we may be surprised at who is still on the board because teams are mapping their future based on the attributes they feel they need on their teams not my or Craig Button's, Wheeler's or Pronman's heart throbs...in the same was ace was selected,

sorry repeats

Shalunov will play in Switzerland with an NHL our clause. Don’t worry, he’ll play for the Hawks this season.

Mitchell has officially signed and he’ll start next season and won’t burn a year for 19/20.
- DarthKane

L8