The Reinhart argument about what line and who he plays with is another reason why evaluating players by point totals is flawed
- sbroads24

Yes and no

Buffalo Sabres wingers

Jeff Skinner
Sam Reinhart






Victor Oloffson



Olofsson is a one dimensional shooter who can't get his shot off 5 on 5

Under rated aspect of Sam Reinhart -

Eichel's defensive numbers are horrendous when Sam isn't on his wing
- sbroads24

Jesper Fast is available.

Yes and no
- Pegullaville

It's completely flawed.

Reinhart is a 60 point player...but not really because some of those points belong to Jack.

Jack is a 90 point player, but none of those points are attributed to his linemates

Probably now but he was not the first overall pick for forwards
- gerbe75pts

Why does that matter, see people on here giving him 4 to 5 mill on his next deal, for 1 year of production. So Jack didn't help him with his payday. They are a good line together Olofsson Eichel Rhino, why not build around them.

It's completely flawed.

Reinhart is a 60 point player...but not really because some of those points belong to Jack.

Jack is a 90 point player, but none of those points are attributed to his linemates
- sbroads24

Sure, but there is a reason why the elite of the league get the points that they do.

I understand your argument about secondary assists, however there are hundreds of skill plays that players make that don’t result in points either. Therefore I feel like it all balances itself out in equilibrium.

Buffalo Sabres wingers

Jeff Skinner
Sam Reinhart






Victor Oloffson



Olofsson is a one dimensional shooter who can't get his shot off 5 on 5
- sbroads24

That was true in his first 20 games or so but not so much later in the season, also his passing makes him multidimensional, as does his ability to play OT which shows he has some D play, especially for a rookie.

I say we trade Reinhart for a middling 3C. After all, he is pretty useless and soft so nobody is going to offer us anything good in a trade for him. Then Tage goes to RW1 and Okposo goes to RW2. Seems like a good plan to me.

Read my next post after that one
- GilPerreault11

👍

Eagles Bringing back Jason Peters Back to Play Guard..

He should just retire he all ready is lock for the hall of fame

Why does that matter, see people on here giving him 4 to 5 mill on his next deal, for 1 year of production. So Jack didn't help him with his payday. They are a good line together Olofsson Eichel Rhino, why not build around them.
- Buff36

VO most likely will hit 50 goals in his career sam cant hit 30 and he's been with jack 95% of his career

Why does that matter, see people on here giving him 4 to 5 mill on his next deal, for 1 year of production. So Jack didn't help him with his payday. They are a good line together Olofsson Eichel Rhino, why not build around them.
- Buff36

Reinhart is a good hockey player.

He may end up being a poor mans Mark Stone in his prime.

However, just like with everything there comes a term and cost for his services.

If we get a favourable cap number I’m all for it.

Am I pissed we didn’t take a Ted Lindsay finalist ? Absolutely.

Thank you GMTM your services will be missed.

we all loved same we thought he be our first line center and be toews 2.0

nope ...
- gerbe75pts

Not everyone. I said his ceiling would be Ryan Nugents Hopkins and everyone called me a troll.

VO most likely will hit 50 goals in his career sam cant hit 30 and he's been with jack 95% of his career
- gerbe75pts

Assuming you meant in a season and not a career, holy cow is that a MASSIVE assumption.

What people are missing about Sam is we drafted him to be our future first line center with basically the first overall pick as a offensive forward

Just think if we never got jack we be more (frank)ed because of him
- gerbe75pts

The bolded is a load of total bullpoop.

The plan all along was 100% focused on Eichel and McDavid regarding their future number one Center.

Only account yet you and JFitz and Sbroad salivate about multiply accounts. Sounds pretty desperate to me
- Alex the Great

You two weeks ago:

Not sure where this comes from. Because Gerbe suggested that I’m beady? I have been a poster on here for 4 years.
- Alex the Great

Alex the Great
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.27.2018

Something doesn't add up here, even if you use Gerbe math.

Sure, but there is a reason why the elite of the league get the points that they do.

I understand your argument about secondary assists, however there are hundreds of skill plays that players make that don’t result in points either. Therefore I feel like it all balances itself out in equilibrium.
- Pegullaville

On the bolded above, assists at Even Strength (all strengths noted) in terms of Primary vs. Secondary the past 4 seasons:

2019-2020
Eichel 9 Primary vs. 13 Secondary (19 vs. 23)
Reinhart 13 Primary vs. 7 Secondary (17 vs. 11)

2018-2019
Eichel 20 Primary vs. 11 Secondary (31 vs. 23)
Reinhart 16 Primary vs. 9 Secondary (28 vs. 15)

2017-2018
Eichel 12 Primary vs. 6 Secondary (23 vs. 16)
Reinhart 6 Primary vs. 8 Secondary (14 vs. 11)

2016-2017
Eichel 11 Primary vs. 7 Secondary (19 vs. 14)
Reinhart 14 Primary vs. 6 Secondary (23 vs. 7)

Does Olofsson do that away from Jack
- Buff36

Nobody does as well without jack , so no olloffson does not average. 76 ppg without.

I did like his vision late last season, after most people were calling him a pp specialist.

Jack dishes and we need a finisher. olloffson or skins finished the past 2 years. (Separately)

Sam needs to find a spot to dish the puck. His best attribute. He definitely made some nice passes to jack last season, but also picked up assists and secondary assists on Jack's awesomeness.

Why does that matter, see people on here giving him 4 to 5 mill on his next deal, for 1 year of production. So Jack didn't help him with his payday. They are a good line together Olofsson Eichel Rhino, why not build around them.
- Buff36

25th place ring a bell?

Did the Kaiser get the ban hammer? Haven’t seen or heard from him
?

I say we trade Reinhart for a middling 3C. After all, he is pretty useless and soft so nobody is going to offer us anything good in a trade for him. Then Tage goes to RW1 and Okposo goes to RW2. Seems like a good plan to me.
- SabreWest

Good post

Nobody does as well without jack , so no olloffson does not average. 76 ppg without.

I did like his vision late last season, after most people were calling him a pp specialist.

Jack dishes and we need a finisher. olloffson or skins finished the past 2 years. (Separately)

Sam needs to find a spot to dish the puck. His best attribute. He definitely made some nice passes to jack last season, but also picked up assists and secondary assists on Jack's awesomeness.
- Boss34

Eichel had more secondary than primary assists last year at even strength and overall.

for what, a month? or whenever pommer ran out of gas


and even then reinhart was producing with sobotka
- homiedclown

About 2 months. Sam wasn't producing on the 2nd line then. He was playing the worst hockey of his career.

About 2 months. Sam wasn't producing on the 2nd line then. He was playing the worst hockey of his career.
- Lunaion

If we are talking about the 2018-2019 season, here is the breakdown at even strength:

- Played with Eichel 63% of the time
- These were the line combinations 30% of the time:

7.59% MITTELSTADT,CASEY REINHART,SAM SHEARY,CONOR
4.95% REINHART,SAM RODRIGUES,EVAN SHEARY,CONOR
4.48% REINHART,SAM RODRIGUES,EVAN SKINNER,JEFF
4.09% REINHART,SAM SHEARY,CONOR SOBOTKA,VLADIMIR
2.84% REINHART,SAM SOBOTKA,VLADIMIR THOMPSON,TAGE
1.88% REINHART,SAM RODRIGUES,EVAN SOBOTKA,VLADIMIR
1.57% MITTELSTADT,CASEY REINHART,SAM SKINNER,JEFF
0.89% REINHART,SAM SKINNER,JEFF SOBOTKA,VLADIMIR
0.85% REINHART,SAM RODRIGUES,EVAN SMITH,C.J.
0.80% MITTELSTADT,CASEY REINHART,SAM SOBOTKA,VLADIMIR

Goalofsson is a rock star. Should wear a tinted visor. Another great hit by GMTM. Patty Lala knew GMTM was gonna be the GOAT. Called it at the presser. Biggest blunder in the history of the organization. I've been saying it for years folks and it isn't even close. Awful he got poop canned for not wanting to fire Bylsma. Brought in a Conn Smythe Selke winner for peanuts too. All so some total paper bag breathing loser of a putz could destroy it. Unbelievable.