Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot- Matthews - Nylander
Kapanen - Spezza - Mikheyev
Engvall - Gauthier - Korshkov

Rielly - Muzzin
Dermott - Barrie
Sandin - Holl

Andersen
Campbell


I hope that's how the starting lineup game 1 vs CBJ will look like..

EDIT: I forgot about Barrie - so Liljegren out.
EDIT2: when did Timashov get dealt to Detroit??

Barrie is a right handed Jake Gardiner, I'm not sure why anyone ever thought that would work on the leafs in any capacity different than Gardiner did.

Dubas' biggest swing and miss, would have been far better to sit on Kadri until a better suited option was identified.
- joel878

I thought the trade was decent at the time.
Dubie got another top 4 D, which we needed and a replacement for 3C - younger and cheaper.
He also got the avs to eat half of barries contract.
I thought it was great
Unfortunately barrie forgot how to D for a while, but still would have finished with about 45pts.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
Timothy Liljegren is absent from his assigned group at #leafs practice this morning.

https://twitter.com/repor...tatus/1282696529682333696
- Atomic Wedgie

I doubt he plays unless we go on an injury run again.

yes, it does... and NO.
- kaptaan

Nope.
Try facts buddy.

I am sure that you are far more aware of the risks involved, than his doctors. Point taken.
- bixll

Of course he is.

I bet he has done minutes of google research. MINUTES.

That is so much more research than medical professionals who spend more than half a decade studying, and then spend more time reading peer reviewed medical journals.

We need to petition Max to research Cancer. He could cure that sh!t in a day with his research abilities.

The trade didn't work out, but Kadri had to go.

You can't be selfish like that two playoffs in a row.

And no, he wasn't "standing up for his teammates." He was a petulant little child who threw a temper tantrum.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't disagree with your assessment on him, but that is not a good enough reason to dump him for what they did.

This is a game of asset management, Kadri was a marketable asset on a damn good contract. They had an entire summer and next regular season to find a better fit before giving him his next playoff forum to be a meatball.

Dumping him off for the sake of getting rid of him isn't acceptable as there clearly where multiple potential trade partners who didn't see it that way.

All you do is seem to point out how the Leafs are Doomed. However you want to colour it..
- bixll

you just see what you want... i said the broons got the benefit of the doubt. you spin it into the leafs are doomed... up to you.

I don't disagree with your assessment on him, but that is not a good enough reason to dump him for what they did.

This is a game of asset management, Kadri was a marketable asset on a damn good contract. They had an entire summer and next regular season to find a better fit before giving him his next playoff forum to be a meatball.

Dumping him off for the sake of getting rid of him isn't acceptable as there clearly where multiple potential trade partners who didn't see it that way.
- joel878

On paper, it was a good trade.

It didn't work out well, but that's 20/20 hindsight.

As for "multiple potential trade parters", we only heard of offers from Calgary and Colorado, and Kadri nixed Calgary.

Time to move on.

I thought the trade was decent at the time.
Dubie got another top 4 D, which we needed and a replacement for 3C - younger and cheaper.
He also got the avs to eat half of barries contract.
I thought it was great
Unfortunately barrie forgot how to D for a while, but still would have finished with about 45pts.
- Fakepartofme

I wanted to be cautiously optimistic from day 1, but my assessment the second it went down was Barrie was not a suitable fit. Another offense only dman was not going to ever work, we needed someone who could play the right side and be more relied on defensively.

The idea that he came with zero term was more of a problem to me whether I was right or wrong in that assessment. Shipping off Kadris contract in return for a player with 1 year remaining was the premiere (frank) up unfortunately.

On paper, it was a good trade.

It didn't work out well, but that's 20/20 hindsight.

As for "multiple potential trade parters", we only heard of offers from Calgary and Colorado, and Kadri nixed Calgary.

Time to move on.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agreed.

On paper, it was a good trade.

It didn't work out well, but that's 20/20 hindsight.

As for "multiple potential trade parters", we only heard of offers from Calgary and Colorado, and Kadri nixed Calgary.

Time to move on.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't think the return was the best for the Leafs - since Barrie was never what Leafs need.
however, I do applaud Dubas for making a somewhat bold move.
it's one of the first times he actually traded an important asset to try and fill a hole in this Leafs lineup.

On paper, it was a good trade.

It didn't work out well, but that's 20/20 hindsight.

As for "multiple potential trade parters", we only heard of offers from Calgary and Colorado, and Kadri nixed Calgary.

Time to move on.
- Atomic Wedgie

In the event we still weren't searching for the defenseman to fill that spot than yes, it would be time to move on.

Calgary and Colorado is in fact multiple teams, and that's what was known publicly. It's a pretty easy guess that there were more, and definitely could have been more over the summer/into next season. Kadris style of player is fairly sought after with or without the issues, with a reasonable contract including term to boot. Multiple teams confirmed to be interested at the front end of what should have been that sweepstakes is confirmation of that.

I've been a big supporter of Dubas and still am, but he's not perfect and I'll definitely hold him accountable on that one. I didn't need hindsight to not like it.

My hope was Barrie would be shipped by the deadline for a better two way RHD with term. If that happened, I could have written it off to sufficient asset management. Only Kerfoot to show for it after this season isn't good enough. 🤷‍♂️

Fortunately Dubas has done good enough in other areas that he still has runway to fix it.

The last 2 years in the playoffs, he only hurt the team.
- bixll

Responding to the point that he was the only player with an edge and we’re sunk without someone like that. He was gone after game two and the team didn’t curl up into a ball against the big tough Bruins

I actually believe Eks rumour

The Isles are one of the top 5 poorest teams in the league.

Could MTL sign him to a 5 year deal with max salary front loaded and max bonuses? The Isles could not match that.

I actually believe Eks rumour

The Isles are one of the top 5 poorest teams in the league.

Could MTL sign him to a 5 year deal with max salary front loaded and max bonuses? The Isles could not match that.
- Santo_44

Agreed. My Brother in Law has Diabetes and has been told he is at a higher risk.

And Yes, I think it is T2.
- bixll

Doctors will have different opinions on it...to Max’s Defense

But still, better to be safe than sorry.

I actually believe Eks rumour

The Isles are one of the top 5 poorest teams in the league.

Could MTL sign him to a 5 year deal with max salary front loaded and max bonuses? The Isles could not match that.
- Santo_44

Islanders are in such cap hell. And they can't move those horrible deals. If/when they sign Barzal, they are spending more cap on the forwards than the Leafs are. How is that possible?

What's been ignored in the media is how badly the "Have Nots" are doing financially and how they will have to cut what they are spending due to COVID losses. Hurricanes/Panthers/Islanders/Blue Jackets/ Ducks/Coyotees and probabnly a few more.

Johnsson and Kerfoot are not a problem if lost. Kapanen...eh...would be annoying to lose, but not earth shattering. The Leafs really need a centre that can PK as this double winger thing has not been working out.
- AdamFrench

This^

They need a 3C as much as a D imo

Zacha would be sweet

Haula as an FA? He probably signs a show me contract after his concerning knee injury. He’s all speed too.

I actually believe Eks rumour

The Isles are one of the top 5 poorest teams in the league.

Could MTL sign him to a 5 year deal with max salary front loaded and max bonuses? The Isles could not match that.
- Santo_44

With a flat cap for the next 4-5 years, giving up 1st round picks is suicide.

You need cheap labour.

- Scabeh

Bergavin showed he is willing to do it.

And I seriously doubt the isles could afford to pay the guy 30 million in salary the next 2 years.

With a flat cap for the next 4-5 years, giving up 1st round picks is suicide.

You need cheap labour.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think Barzal would be worth it.

Plus next years 1st round will be a crap shoot. The value on those picks have plummeted.

Bergavin showed he is willing to do it.

And I seriously doubt the isles could afford to pay the guy 30 million in salary the next 2 years.
- Santo_44

But remember Leafs are in the biggest cap hell LOL

I think Barzal would be worth it.

Plus next years 1st round will be a crap shoot. The value on those picks have plummeted.
- Santo_44

Leafs should offer 7x11 for Barzal.


Trade Nylander + Johnsson + Kerfoot.
That should be 3 1st round picks + 2nd at least.

I actually believe Eks rumour

The Isles are one of the top 5 poorest teams in the league.

Could MTL sign him to a 5 year deal with max salary front loaded and max bonuses? The Isles could not match that.
- Santo_44

The fun thing to do would be to wander into the Islanders' thread and ask for his comparables to Matthews and Marner.

I'm guessing he's 20% more talented, and will be signed for 20% less.

Not picking in Islanders fans here - we are all equally deluded.

Leafs should offer 7x11 for Barzal.


Trade Nylander + Johnsson + Kerfoot.
That should be 3 1st round picks + 2nd at least.
- MaximusAurelius

That would be funny to be sure.